Can BTC go down to <$5k again now? - page 4.

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Quote from: BrewMaster on January 19, 2021, 02:27:55 PM

this topic and some of the replies i went through gave me a very strange feeling like what i had back in 2018 when people were asking about whether price is going to go back to $1500 again when it was going to break the $4k resistance and break out with a massive FOMO.

i am always fascinated by how the history keeps repeating itself in bitcoin world without some people taking any lessons from it. i actually have a couple of topics about this too.

Back in 2018, Bitcoin didn't enjoyed any sort of support from the institutional investors. That has changed now, and the institutions have purchased upwards of a million BTC. There is a drop in supply, as a result of the block reward halving. These factors will combine together to make sure that there will not be a repeat of the corrections that we witnessed during 2014-15 and 2018. Also, most of the investors are now aware of this 5-year cycle, and they will be more cautious about selling their coins at dips.

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Quote from: BrewMaster on January 19, 2021, 02:27:55 PM

this topic and some of the replies i went through gave me a very strange feeling like what i had back in 2018 when people were asking about whether price is going to go back to $1500 again when it was going to break the $4k resistance and break out with a massive FOMO.

i am always fascinated by how the history keeps repeating itself in bitcoin world without some people taking any lessons from it. i actually have a couple of topics about this too.

You would see similar words when we do actually see the same scenario.People never ever learn on what they had experienced in the past but instead
they do keep repeating up words rather than taking such actions or trying to make out some analysis for their own benefit.Going down question is something
that had been part of this market but the truth that market can move without relying any analysis or indicators out there.It all matters with the demand
and some influence of those big players in the market.We wont know on when they will be selling out their bags.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on January 19, 2021, 01:39:53 AM

Not Unless there is a more destructive and Phenomenal happens than CORONA VIRUS i don't think that Bitcoin will go down that level again .

Last year is tough for Bitcoin but Never did fell into 5k$ just this Pandemic that make the market shaking wild but do recovers just Months after.
Bitcoin had already proven its capacity and considering that the Blow now is More than what we expected last year , Meaning we can survive another Bad Hit if there comes one again.
and the damage won't be like what we had in the 2020 crash.
also Investors now are Real person and not just random whales that taking the advantage of vulnerability of this market.

Last year's crash was different, we were around 9k when the price crashed under 5k, that is less than 50% fall that saw us that low, however now we are nearly at 40k, even with the same sort of crash the price would be at worst 20k, even with all the FUD and crash and problems we will probably see only a small crash, hence why I think it is quite obvious that we are not doing that bad even during a crash.

However world is getting that vaccination, obviously we do not know what is going to happen afterwards, we are going to be just a lot more resistant towards the virus, which means we should be fine, and with tens of millions of dollars not having ANY problem even with the virus on their body, vaccination will prove to be great, if that fails we may have to wait a bit more but I believe this virus will be less harmful than flu when vaccination is done over the world.

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this topic and some of the replies i went through gave me a very strange feeling like what i had back in 2018 when people were asking about whether price is going to go back to $1500 again when it was going to break the $4k resistance and break out with a massive FOMO.

i am always fascinated by how the history keeps repeating itself in bitcoin world without some people taking any lessons from it. i actually have a couple of topics about this too.

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Quote from: ourkid on January 11, 2021, 03:49:56 PM

What was fundamentally different about that period of time to what it is now that would stop us returning to that price point? I'd appreciate any reliable information sources to back up any comments?

Just a simple answer: Stock to flow.

After the halving Bitcoin has become a scarcer resource, and, as the above post remined us, institutions have been buying BTC like crazy.

In the past S2F has undervalued BTC a few times (market had an higher valuation than model), with a large multiple. Market has always bome back to model valuations.
On the contrary S2F has rarely overvalued the market value, and at the most the multiple was 0.5, meaning that model price has never been more than the double of the market price.

Well, now S2F model predicts a 28,000 USD price.
Hence I cannot see BTC going below 14,000 USD.

If you want to know more about stock to flow:
Stock-to-Flow Model: Modeling Bitcoin's Value with Scarcity

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Not Unless there is a more destructive and Phenomenal happens than CORONA VIRUS i don't think that Bitcoin will go down that level again .

Last year is tough for Bitcoin but Never did fell into 5k$ just this Pandemic that make the market shaking wild but do recovers just Months after.
Bitcoin had already proven its capacity and considering that the Blow now is More than what we expected last year , Meaning we can survive another Bad Hit if there comes one again.
and the damage won't be like what we had in the 2020 crash.
also Investors now are Real person and not just random whales that taking the advantage of vulnerability of this market.

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grayscale just bought 16k BTC in a single day. that's 18x the mined supply, so they are just eating up all available market supply! i'll be amazed if sellers can take this market below $30k again given the size of these inflows from institutions.

Quote from: fillippone on January 18, 2021, 06:59:50 PM

On January 18 they added 16,244 BTC to their fund!

More than 600,000,000 inflows on a single day.
Highest BTC inflow ever.
Highest USD inflow ever.

$5k seems like an impossibly distant memory now. Shocked

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Quote from: ReiMomo on January 18, 2021, 05:35:53 PM

My conclusion is, bitcoin will not drop below $5k in the market, it seems what happened last bull run, and then it has suddenly dropped almost in the button price. But now, I don't think it will drop too much, there are large investors in institutions that surely also hold bitcoin rather spending it if we have whales trying to dump the market that is a full manipulation.

Bitcoin will not go down beyond $20k this year, look around, bitcoin was talk on social media and news and I think, we're just speculating those impossible to happen.

i dont think that will happen also. we already surpassed that level. if it will drop hard, maybe 15k+ level. but do you really think, these institutions will not do anything if they bought some of their stash at more than 20k level?
and also, why are we getting this kind of question? are they hoping that someday it will drop down to that level so they can bought their stash? but for sure, if that situation will happen, i dont think they will buy btc, as they will question again - can btc go down to 3k again? Roll Eyes

All the possible dumps can be happening, yet, it was just a little chance to make such a dip these days since the accumulating power still strong and these institutional investors are into preparing for the future, therefore, we can expect that they should hold rather than selling.

Quote from: ReiMomo on January 18, 2021, 05:35:53 PM

Bitcoin will not go down beyond $20k this year, look around, bitcoin was talk on social media and news and I think, we're just speculating those impossible to happen.

You are right, people got crazy talking about Bitcoin, who got into millionaire's club. But couldn't think that social media also make a reason why the crypto market has a hard fall due to false accusation, irrelevant news feed and makes many holders do the panic selling. And this possible to happen again.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on January 18, 2021, 05:35:53 PM

My conclusion is, bitcoin will not drop below $5k in the market, it seems what happened last bull run, and then it has suddenly dropped almost in the button price. But now, I don't think it will drop too much, there are large investors in institutions that surely also hold bitcoin rather spending it if we have whales trying to dump the market that is a full manipulation.

Bitcoin will not go down beyond $20k this year, look around, bitcoin was talk on social media and news and I think, we're just speculating those impossible to happen.

i dont think that will happen also. we already surpassed that level. if it will drop hard, maybe 15k+ level. but do you really think, these institutions will not do anything if they bought some of their stash at more than 20k level?
and also, why are we getting this kind of question? are they hoping that someday it will drop down to that level so they can bought their stash? but for sure, if that situation will happen, i dont think they will buy btc, as they will question again - can btc go down to 3k again? Roll Eyes

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My conclusion is, bitcoin will not drop below $5k in the market, it seems what happened last bull run, and then it has suddenly dropped almost in the button price. But now, I don't think it will drop too much, there are large investors in institutions that surely also hold bitcoin rather spending it if we have whales trying to dump the market that is a full manipulation.

Bitcoin will not go down beyond $20k this year, look around, bitcoin was talk on social media and news and I think, we're just speculating those impossible to happen.

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The problem with this 5k scenario barring any other details is the denominator is dollar which we have a vast excess of in the world relative to GDP growth of that nation at least. By mistake one nations currency has been used to describe alot of the worlds trade which is incorrect because the currency is relating to debt not repayment or asset value, in short this is weakness. So the question is can BTC be even weaker then something especially negative and unable to repay debts, its possible but we should wonder why the price back tracks to that extent and presumably over so much time.
It can happen but I think its more of a volatile event and for years people expected BTC to be the protocol that failed in various ways but without bias its as easy to speculate dollar has the flaw.

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Quote from: darewaller on January 18, 2021, 09:53:59 AM

I am sure there is a double edged sword for big companies to end up selling. First of all if they sell a lot, they will drop the price of bitcoin, however if they drop the price of bitcoin they could once again use all their money to buy it back and both increase the price and also have more of bitcoins once again. So long story short it is a great idea for companies to sell their coins here and there time to time to drop the price of bitcoin in order to accumulate even more of it later on without spending extra money.

However I do not think that they would sell their coins and get out that easily, a lot of these wall street type of companies have probably thousands of things they invest into and they keep some of them for decades and decades long because as long as you hold a successful asset, why would you want to get rid of it as long as you profit from it.

In addition to these obvious manipulations, large players have more opportunities if they have mining power. It is very logical to buy power - thus, even selling bitcoins all the time, you can always restore their amount (at least partially) without looking at the stock speculation.

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Quote from: ourkid on January 11, 2021, 03:49:56 PM

Given 'institutional' investors who are more prone to hold through dips and ignore the paper loss; is it actually possible for BTC to drop to sub $5k ever again now?

There was a really good diagram showing how the composition of BTC holdings has changed over the years, and it shows a marked shift away from big portfolios into lots of smaller wallets; i.e retail investors.

I get that a few bigger whales might hold and support certain prices, but surely the collective holding of retail investors would be enough to move the dial substantially?

March 20 was the last time it was at around that level and it hasn't gone to that since.

What was fundamentally different about that period of time to what it is now that would stop us returning to that price point? I'd appreciate any reliable information sources to back up any comments?

Ideally it should never be $5k reason is that there was such a huge buying around this region of 10k where this pump started that huge money is involved around this region. This include some big investors including FIIs now these people would ensure that they don't sell and let the price go below this point. And even if it goes there is going to be a huge amount of buying below this point which would ensure that it doesn't even lasts for more than an hour below this point. So I think we can rest assure that we are not going below 5k ever again.

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$5k again is way too low, I think.

Maybe Bitcoin will bounce between $30k - $40k for a couple of months of something like that. This is more likely development than a huge dip to $5k.

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I don't know how deep Bitcoin will go down after pump, but go down to under $5K is impossible, this is not realistic price of Bitcoin..

Even with so many FUD, the real Holder of Bitcoin is so many and they trust the mechanisms of Bitcoin rather than FUD, so FUD will become useless. Bitcoin is Anti FUD

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I am sure there is a double edged sword for big companies to end up selling. First of all if they sell a lot, they will drop the price of bitcoin, however if they drop the price of bitcoin they could once again use all their money to buy it back and both increase the price and also have more of bitcoins once again. So long story short it is a great idea for companies to sell their coins here and there time to time to drop the price of bitcoin in order to accumulate even more of it later on without spending extra money.

However I do not think that they would sell their coins and get out that easily, a lot of these wall street type of companies have probably thousands of things they invest into and they keep some of them for decades and decades long because as long as you hold a successful asset, why would you want to get rid of it as long as you profit from it.

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Quote from: bvoriue on January 17, 2021, 04:11:54 PM

The increase in the price of Bitcoin this year was different from 2017 where at that time, people bought Bitcoin without looking at Bitcoin fundamentals.

That's why it pulls back real quick since there's only few real usages that may gather interest coming from institutional investors and businesses. The dumped quickly brings the bear as weak holders accepts that they've been mislead and cry out calling this venue as scam investment.

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By now, people are seeing Bitcoin fundamentals which are proving to be a safe haven asset and to be a good inflation hedge.

People find this place as good investment tools while staying at home due to pandemic, they've got more time to research and analyze the potentials.

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Moreover, buying Bitcoin is now as easy as PayPal which provides Bitcoin payment features.
These are just a few reasons why Bitcoin will still increase in 2021. I think this year Bitcoin will not drop to $5000 again

With Paypal, more people gathered interest to go deeper before jumping in and invest their money.

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Don't confuse institutional investors with retail stock market gamblers. They're more like venture capitalists.

They don't buy to try to make a quick buck by selling and buying back. They buy to get in before the s-curve of adoption goes vertical and hold for the long run.

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Quote from: dimonstration on January 17, 2021, 01:52:09 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 17, 2021, 10:09:46 AM

Any figure may arrive because the market is very volatile, nothing is impossible, now the fact that it arrives so low right now I do not see it feasible, because there are many investors protecting their positions, in fact, I think it may be more reliable that it reaches the new ATH.

This institutional companies will not sell their investments this fast, they will sure wait for other investors to get in before they will do selling to take some profits even Pandemic or there is another variant btc been the new platform of investors since stocks were greatly affected by the economy. We will need to be patient with our investment now that many companies might join also.

I think the opposite is true. Institutional investors, as the most powerful players on the market, sell assets in the last phase of growth (since it is very difficult to sell during a fall and each sale reduces the price for the subsequent one) and very often they sell an asset to small investors who ultimately receive the lion's share of losses. In addition, after they have basically exited the asset, they are interested in pushing the price as deep as possible in order to enter it again at good levels.

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The increase in the price of Bitcoin this year was different from 2017 where at that time, people bought Bitcoin without looking at Bitcoin fundamentals. By now, people are seeing Bitcoin fundamentals which are proving to be a safe haven asset and to be a good inflation hedge.
Moreover, buying Bitcoin is now as easy as PayPal which provides Bitcoin payment features.
These are just a few reasons why Bitcoin will still increase in 2021. I think this year Bitcoin will not drop to $5000 again

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