Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 4.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 18, 2018, 06:38:03 AM

Just yesterday I saw a promo video about Daniel Negreanu's masterclass where he was saying that you have to apply math, apart from other things, to poker in order to win more frequently. Although I agree that knowing probability can help in poker, I think that math can't help you in other games, where it's already taken into account, meaning that the higher probability of you winning a bet the lower the reward you get in case of winning.

His statement is true in relation to poker, but you are not 100% accurate: there are other games where math can help you: whenever luck is not the only factor, you might make decisions influencing the gameplay, then there is a chance to use math and make sound decisions (in comparison to making emotional decisions which are usually poor). But of course in a number of games math cannot help you because the decision you make is only illusoric (you decide between equally probable possibilities, all leading eventually to negative expactation).

Mathematics is not nesecary useful in gambling, their are some aspects but not all.Their are games doesn't invovle math like some of online games. Strategy and luck are the most helpful one plus the positive view of mind.

All games involve mathematics because life itself involves mathematics. If there is any room for a gambler to use math is another question altogether. If you can use use a strategy for a particular game, then you can and should choose the best strategy with the use of mathematics. On the other hand, for some games, all strategies you can use are useless because there the game is purely random-based.

As to the luck: I can bet, that if you were to play against a skillfull poker player with your luck only, you would get broke in no time.

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it could happen, in mathematics there are "theory of probability" this measure a possibility that occurs, and usually the example with dice. it could be math predicting it, but it's in offline gambling not in online gambling.

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Quote from: gowobonyok on June 01, 2018, 10:59:09 PM

not completely, we need math to accelerate us in counting. for victory, luck is the most decisive.

Gambling is purely luck dependent thing and saying this that math can help in winning the gambling game would be an insane thing for me because math is not related with gambling. One thing where math is helpful for the gamblers is to maintain their record that how much he lost or won in gambling is that in future if he wants to leave the gambling, he can easily do it.

Yeah, pure luck and nothing else. A lot of people always get themselves deceived by the mentality that if they have an edge in a particular thing by making use of math or some strategy they will be able to win a lot from gambling. If that is the case, then all the best mathematicians all over the world should have sent the casinos packing all these while. Everything is all about luck and i do not see anyway math can help a living soul to win in gambling.

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Quote from: Pan Troglodytes on June 18, 2018, 07:31:37 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on June 18, 2018, 06:38:03 AM

Just yesterday I saw a promo video about Daniel Negreanu's masterclass where he was saying that you have to apply math, apart from other things, to poker in order to win more frequently. Although I agree that knowing probability can help in poker, I think that math can't help you in other games, where it's already taken into account, meaning that the higher probability of you winning a bet the lower the reward you get in case of winning.

His statement is true in relation to poker, but you are not 100% accurate: there are other games where math can help you: whenever luck is not the only factor, you might make decisions influencing the gameplay, then there is a chance to use math and make sound decisions (in comparison to making emotional decisions which are usually poor). But of course in a number of games math cannot help you because the decision you make is only illusoric (you decide between equally probable possibilities, all leading eventually to negative expactation).

Mathematics is not nesecary useful in gambling, their are some aspects but not all.Their are games doesn't invovle math like some of online games. Strategy and luck are the most helpful one plus the positive view of mind.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 18, 2018, 06:38:03 AM

Just yesterday I saw a promo video about Daniel Negreanu's masterclass where he was saying that you have to apply math, apart from other things, to poker in order to win more frequently. Although I agree that knowing probability can help in poker, I think that math can't help you in other games, where it's already taken into account, meaning that the higher probability of you winning a bet the lower the reward you get in case of winning.

His statement is true in relation to poker, but you are not 100% accurate: there are other games where math can help you: whenever luck is not the only factor, you might make decisions influencing the gameplay, then there is a chance to use math and make sound decisions (in comparison to making emotional decisions which are usually poor). But of course in a number of games math cannot help you because the decision you make is only illusoric (you decide between equally probable possibilities, all leading eventually to negative expactation).

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Just yesterday I saw a promo video about Daniel Negreanu's masterclass where he was saying that you have to apply math, apart from other things, to poker in order to win more frequently. Although I agree that knowing probability can help in poker, I think that math can't help you in other games, where it's already taken into account, meaning that the higher probability of you winning a bet the lower the reward you get in case of winning.

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Quote from: gowobonyok on June 01, 2018, 10:59:09 PM

not completely, we need math to accelerate us in counting. for victory, luck is the most decisive.

Math could helps us in gambling but we can never rely on math alone every time we play gambling, just like what you have said, luck is still playing the big role in gambling, if we are just a newly comers in the gambling world and have the confident that we could win then probably we will just lose, I guess, in order to win in gambling, you must also need the experience.

I once had a friend who is so good with mathematics and probability was even his best subject. He relied on using that to gamble and making the best use of it but I guess I do not need to tell you how he ended up and it took a lot of intervention himself, relatives and friends to get him out of that.

Gambling is not all about the math that you know, it is all about luck and anyone that is trying to be dependent on math, will obviously rely too much that they mess up big time.

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not completely, we need math to accelerate us in counting. for victory, luck is the most decisive.

Gambling is purely luck dependent thing and saying this that math can help in winning the gambling game would be an insane thing for me because math is not related with gambling. One thing where math is helpful for the gamblers is to maintain their record that how much he lost or won in gambling is that in future if he wants to leave the gambling, he can easily do it.

I think it would be a foolish as well as an insane thing if one would say that math would help the person to win in gambling. Math can never ever help the person to win in gambling as gambling requires luck more than calculations. If you don’t believe this go to casino some day and play a game and start doing calculations on every move, you will get to know how much important math is for gambling.

In my opinion, it would be much better for us to let math on the status where it is and not to relate it with gambling because I think personally that when we relate gambling with math, the reputation of math also goes down because it is compared with a thing that has no reputation in the eyes of respectful people. Math can never help gambler to win the game.

Yeah! I would agree with you in this regard as I am having the same opinion as you are having. I don’t know why people are relating math with gambling because math is a subject which people learn in their lives while gambling isn’t a subject and not all people lean it in their lives. Math can make the future of the person while gambling can’t make the same.

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Maybe if you are playing a math based game then probably it can help you. Yet most of the gambling games are basically based on your luck or other skills like logical thinking. I think the author was trying to atleast relate it to math and did said that you will win using mathetical equation

Gambling and math are two different stories in my opinion, maybe two chapters of a same book. I think this makes more sense. Yeah! Gambling and math are two chapters of a same book because but we can’t mix up both of these chapters because they alone will make a sense and give you a lesson and when both of them will be mixed up, you will get nothing.

Yes it is right but in some games while in some games it is possible if you can do it. I heard from many experts in gamblers that they observe the game deeper and than after some calculation that do a decision and upon that decision they get a good result. That is why we can say that in some games doing math will benefit you. But that is the work of some more expert gamblers.

so if they can calculate about the game, their chances to win is bigger, right? but I am sure that they still need to be lucky to win because their calculation will not work if they don't have a luck. but for me, I don't know about this because I don't calculate the possibility of winning and losing because it's too difficult for me and I think it will spend more time again.

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Quote from: Harley29 on June 15, 2018, 07:07:47 PM

Quote from: darklus123 on June 14, 2018, 07:17:48 AM

Maybe if you are playing a math based game then probably it can help you. Yet most of the gambling games are basically based on your luck or other skills like logical thinking. I think the author was trying to atleast relate it to math and did said that you will win using mathetical equation

Gambling and math are two different stories in my opinion, maybe two chapters of a same book. I think this makes more sense. Yeah! Gambling and math are two chapters of a same book because but we can’t mix up both of these chapters because they alone will make a sense and give you a lesson and when both of them will be mixed up, you will get nothing.

Yes it is right but in some games while in some games it is possible if you can do it. I heard from many experts in gamblers that they observe the game deeper and than after some calculation that do a decision and upon that decision they get a good result. That is why we can say that in some games doing math will benefit you. But that is the work of some more expert gamblers.

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Quote from: darklus123 on June 14, 2018, 07:17:48 AM

Maybe if you are playing a math based game then probably it can help you. Yet most of the gambling games are basically based on your luck or other skills like logical thinking. I think the author was trying to atleast relate it to math and did said that you will win using mathetical equation

Gambling and math are two different stories in my opinion, maybe two chapters of a same book. I think this makes more sense. Yeah! Gambling and math are two chapters of a same book because but we can’t mix up both of these chapters because they alone will make a sense and give you a lesson and when both of them will be mixed up, you will get nothing.

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I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I think the only formula that may help in gambling is probability for roulette games, but i still believe math cannot affect to gambling games even you used probability because probability is all predicting the chances. I believe it is all about luck, so if you wanted to win you need to have good luck.

You are right about it but you know that probability also involves maths rules and steps going on are of maths. This is more relevant about this statement that only one thing which can help you in gambling is probability and because there is equal chances of winning and losing so you will need to know about the others turns and then you will decide the probable action to take place.

That probability which we use in math is very much different from the probability of gambling. Thinking of this probability and relating math with gambling doesn’t make any sense to me. Math doesn’t plays any role in the winning or losing of the person in gambling because the only thing that matters is luck. Poker is the only game where your probability can be helpful.

You are right about the exceptions and the specific games in which probability is helpful like poker and I appointed exactly the same what I mean to say. Probability and mathematics is useful in some games. In basic maths we study counting numbers and addition, subtraction and other rules, so let me tell you these rules and taking place in the teen pati game and other card games so maths is useful. Tell me, can you give 4 cards to one person and 6 cards to another person in one game? No. because you have to distribute equally and hence maths is involved.

You have a better explanation but after reading your comment I do not think that everyone will be able to do that much math for playing games on gambling. There are people for entertainment and they do not worry for their win and lose they only enjoy the game while those who want to earn money they will can then do any other job easily if they can do that type of math.

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Quote from: Tungsten-1 on June 13, 2018, 07:15:53 PM

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I think the only formula that may help in gambling is probability for roulette games, but i still believe math cannot affect to gambling games even you used probability because probability is all predicting the chances. I believe it is all about luck, so if you wanted to win you need to have good luck.

You are right about it but you know that probability also involves maths rules and steps going on are of maths. This is more relevant about this statement that only one thing which can help you in gambling is probability and because there is equal chances of winning and losing so you will need to know about the others turns and then you will decide the probable action to take place.

That probability which we use in math is very much different from the probability of gambling. Thinking of this probability and relating math with gambling doesn’t make any sense to me. Math doesn’t plays any role in the winning or losing of the person in gambling because the only thing that matters is luck. Poker is the only game where your probability can be helpful.

You are right about the exceptions and the specific games in which probability is helpful like poker and I appointed exactly the same what I mean to say. Probability and mathematics is useful in some games. In basic maths we study counting numbers and addition, subtraction and other rules, so let me tell you these rules and taking place in the teen pati game and other card games so maths is useful. Tell me, can you give 4 cards to one person and 6 cards to another person in one game? No. because you have to distribute equally and hence maths is involved.

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Quote from: sweetbet on June 13, 2018, 10:12:22 PM

It depeds on which game you play. Card counting can certainly help but casinos don't like it. As far as roulette is concerned, betting on a color or on odds/evens gives you better odds than winning than if you were to bet on a single number.

yes there are many games which require some math for you to win the game but not all the time sometimes it may depend all on the luck for example the spin do not give any idea that at which point will it stop.

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Quote from: panjul07 on June 14, 2018, 09:37:44 AM

Quote from: darklus123 on June 14, 2018, 07:17:48 AM

Maybe if you are playing a math based game then probably it can help you. Yet most of the gambling games are basically based on your luck or other skills like logical thinking. I think the author was trying to atleast relate it to math and did said that you will win using mathetical equation

Can you give an example of a math based game gambling? I have never seen such game so far, as what I have seen so far are just game with numbers such as dice, roulette and lottery but I think they are not math based games.

They are definitely not. Math is nothing to do with this. No matter how good you are in math. It can't help you to win in a game like dice which the result is completely random numbers. Many mathematician should have won or atleast try to win in a lottery if ever.

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Adaptive mathematics is used as one of the main ways in helping to outplay the online casino. Its foundation is based on the difference in payments to players who add money in different ways, and at a certain time and with different accumulations withdraw payments. Taking these factors into account allows you to significantly increase the opportunity to gain a significant win by defeating a gambling house.

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Quote from: panjul07 on June 14, 2018, 09:37:44 AM

Quote from: darklus123 on June 14, 2018, 07:17:48 AM

Maybe if you are playing a math based game then probably it can help you. Yet most of the gambling games are basically based on your luck or other skills like logical thinking. I think the author was trying to atleast relate it to math and did said that you will win using mathetical equation

Can you give an example of a math based game gambling? I have never seen such game so far, as what I have seen so far are just game with numbers such as dice, roulette and lottery but I think they are not math based games.

Maybe they were saying that it's math who helps them to win in gambling because they are lucky on betting though thinking they win because of math is not true at all, it is all about being lucky despite of the risk that you are at since you are playing gambling. Math couldn't help you in gambling, it is all about random stuffs so applying math will not help at all.

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Quote from: darklus123 on June 14, 2018, 07:17:48 AM

Maybe if you are playing a math based game then probably it can help you. Yet most of the gambling games are basically based on your luck or other skills like logical thinking. I think the author was trying to atleast relate it to math and did said that you will win using mathetical equation

Can you give an example of a math based game gambling? I have never seen such game so far, as what I have seen so far are just game with numbers such as dice, roulette and lottery but I think they are not math based games.

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Maybe if you are playing a math based game then probably it can help you. Yet most of the gambling games are basically based on your luck or other skills like logical thinking. I think the author was trying to atleast relate it to math and did said that you will win using mathetical equation

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Quote from: Elai101 on June 10, 2018, 09:32:30 PM

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I believe that a gambler who knows how to apply mathematical knowledge, especially the theory of probability, in practice, will predominantly remain in the winning position. And he can get a share of the huge sums that are spinning in this business. There are mathematically proven winning systems that are successfully used in practice by many players.

It depends on what kind of game you are joining some needs mathematical analysis but some games are only need experience.

I agree with you that it depends on the game that whether math can help you or not. Poker Is the only game that I see in gambling in which we can use our knowledge of math but still it doesn’t mean we should depend on our math only to win it because it may happen to you that the person opponent to you have a good luck and he wins and you lose having knowledge of math only.

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