Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 5.

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Quote from: sweetbet on June 13, 2018, 09:12:22 PM

It depeds on which game you play. Card counting can certainly help but casinos don't like it. As far as roulette is concerned, betting on a color or on odds/evens gives you better odds than winning than if you were to bet on a single number.

If the casinos knew that you are doing this strategy and win in the game then certainly you will not be able to go get back on that casino again cause you make them lose money. Card counting is a big help to win but it is still a talent of someone to be able to remember all the cards. In other games, it would be base in pure luck so math would not be of help to any of this. If you are lucky on that day then good for you but if you are not then better go back another day when you are level-headed so that you can avoid spending more money trying to get back your losses.

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It depeds on which game you play. Card counting can certainly help but casinos don't like it. As far as roulette is concerned, betting on a color or on odds/evens gives you better odds than winning than if you were to bet on a single number.

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Quote from: ronafurw on June 12, 2018, 02:11:03 AM

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 06:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I think the only formula that may help in gambling is probability for roulette games, but i still believe math cannot affect to gambling games even you used probability because probability is all predicting the chances. I believe it is all about luck, so if you wanted to win you need to have good luck.

You are right about it but you know that probability also involves maths rules and steps going on are of maths. This is more relevant about this statement that only one thing which can help you in gambling is probability and because there is equal chances of winning and losing so you will need to know about the others turns and then you will decide the probable action to take place.

That probability which we use in math is very much different from the probability of gambling. Thinking of this probability and relating math with gambling doesn’t make any sense to me. Math doesn’t plays any role in the winning or losing of the person in gambling because the only thing that matters is luck. Poker is the only game where your probability can be helpful.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 06:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

There are only some games in which the math will help you a little to win a game or some bets but not all the time and not in all the games as most of the games are luck based and in that you can do nothing. No matter how much struggle you do you will win or lose if the luck of you side with you.

Many of the games among them often depend on the experience of the gambler he can find the game that how to enter in it and how to bet. They with the experience of years became the professional gamblers and can win most of the games/bets.

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Quote from: coinfinger on June 13, 2018, 01:49:46 AM

Quote from: Taki on June 10, 2018, 11:44:44 AM

I think yes. Exactly for that reason the road to casino is closed for people with excellent math and memory possibilities.

Maths as role in many games and is important all over the world, gambling is running of maths as we count the cards, the money the bets which need maths and your good maths. Probability also involves in many games which helps us to win a game, furthermore besides probability many other mathematical calculations are using which helps us in understanding games.

I doubt whatever you said is actually true, there is no need of maths when you are playing a dice game as it is just some number which might pop up randomly. Maths is only required in blackjack but you don't need to have some degree in maths just the basic math is more than enough
There might he few other card games which requires maths like poker

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Quote from: Pan Troglodytes on June 13, 2018, 05:21:54 AM

Quote from: mirandastings on June 13, 2018, 02:33:02 AM

In games of pure luck (roulette) maths is a more or less a waste of time long term - you are going to lose in the long term, maths can help you find the game where you will lose your money more slowly, or allow you to have strategies that allow you to lose more slowly.

In games where skill is involved, then maths can be your friend (but also your enemy).

For example, in sports betting (requires lots of skill), understanding the following mathematical concepts can make a big difference, some of them are 100% necessary:
- what do prices reperesent (e.g. 3.0 = 33.3% chance of something happening)
- staking (how much should you stake on each bet)
- statistical modelling sports events using past data (a h-u-g-e subject)

Poker is another good example, but the maths is relatively straightforward to learn - everyone just learns the same maths (probabilities) and pot payout calculations. Poker is so much psychology as well (yuk!).

Of course, managing your own psychology is ANOTHER super-important part of long-term winning in gambling. But without some good understanding of the maths... you are probably getting nowhere.

Wow mate it is the best short description of the can-math-help-in-gambling issue that I have read so far. With such an attitude I am positive you are going to be OK and it doesn't even make much sense to wish you good luck, which I am going to do nevertheless

good luck!

thanks Pan! good luck to you too!

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Quote from: mirandastings on June 13, 2018, 02:33:02 AM

In games of pure luck (roulette) maths is a more or less a waste of time long term - you are going to lose in the long term, maths can help you find the game where you will lose your money more slowly, or allow you to have strategies that allow you to lose more slowly.

In games where skill is involved, then maths can be your friend (but also your enemy).

For example, in sports betting (requires lots of skill), understanding the following mathematical concepts can make a big difference, some of them are 100% necessary:
- what do prices reperesent (e.g. 3.0 = 33.3% chance of something happening)
- staking (how much should you stake on each bet)
- statistical modelling sports events using past data (a h-u-g-e subject)

Poker is another good example, but the maths is relatively straightforward to learn - everyone just learns the same maths (probabilities) and pot payout calculations. Poker is so much psychology as well (yuk!).

Of course, managing your own psychology is ANOTHER super-important part of long-term winning in gambling. But without some good understanding of the maths... you are probably getting nowhere.

Wow mate it is the best short description of the can-math-help-in-gambling issue that I have read so far. With such an attitude I am positive you are going to be OK and it doesn't even make much sense to wish you good luck, which I am going to do nevertheless

good luck!

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Quote from: gowobonyok on June 01, 2018, 09:59:09 PM

not completely, we need math to accelerate us in counting. for victory, luck is the most decisive.

Gambling is purely luck dependent thing and saying this that math can help in winning the gambling game would be an insane thing for me because math is not related with gambling. One thing where math is helpful for the gamblers is to maintain their record that how much he lost or won in gambling is that in future if he wants to leave the gambling, he can easily do it.

I think it would be a foolish as well as an insane thing if one would say that math would help the person to win in gambling. Math can never ever help the person to win in gambling as gambling requires luck more than calculations. If you don’t believe this go to casino some day and play a game and start doing calculations on every move, you will get to know how much important math is for gambling.

In my opinion, it would be much better for us to let math on the status where it is and not to relate it with gambling because I think personally that when we relate gambling with math, the reputation of math also goes down because it is compared with a thing that has no reputation in the eyes of respectful people. Math can never help gambler to win the game.

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In games of pure luck (roulette) maths is a more or less a waste of time long term - you are going to lose in the long term, maths can help you find the game where you will lose your money more slowly, or allow you to have strategies that allow you to lose more slowly.

In games where skill is involved, then maths can be your friend (but also your enemy).

For example, in sports betting (requires lots of skill), understanding the following mathematical concepts can make a big difference, some of them are 100% necessary:
- what do prices reperesent (e.g. 3.0 = 33.3% chance of something happening)
- staking (how much should you stake on each bet)
- statistical modelling sports events using past data (a h-u-g-e subject)

Poker is another good example, but the maths is relatively straightforward to learn - everyone just learns the same maths (probabilities) and pot payout calculations. Poker is so much psychology as well (yuk!).

Of course, managing your own psychology is ANOTHER super-important part of long-term winning in gambling. But without some good understanding of the maths... you are probably getting nowhere.

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Quote from: Taki on June 10, 2018, 11:44:44 AM

I think yes. Exactly for that reason the road to casino is closed for people with excellent math and memory possibilities.

Maths as role in many games and is important all over the world, gambling is running of maths as we count the cards, the money the bets which need maths and your good maths. Probability also involves in many games which helps us to win a game, furthermore besides probability many other mathematical calculations are using which helps us in understanding games.

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Quote from: mkmdoc on June 10, 2018, 11:08:47 PM

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Quote from: Kate Beckett on June 10, 2018, 02:34:37 PM

I believe that a gambler who knows how to apply mathematical knowledge, especially the theory of probability, in practice, will predominantly remain in the winning position. And he can get a share of the huge sums that are spinning in this business. There are mathematically proven winning systems that are successfully used in practice by many players.

It depends on what kind of game you are joining some needs mathematical analysis but some games are only need experience.

Though we have good experience about the mathematical analysis sometime those analyses will not work in gambling because there are some games based on mathematics but winning through them is always very risky. For lower bets, the things will work but for higher bets, it is impossible to make money.

I think maths can’t help in gambling because it is fast game and it depends upon the mind of a person that up to which level he is intelligent. I think calculations are useless in gambling because they require a great deal of time and in spite of the time interval the mathematical calculation can’t work here. I think it is best to gamble with your mind rather than being involved with the option of mathematics that it would help in gambling.

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Quote from: stephanirain on June 03, 2018, 08:15:54 AM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 06:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I think the only formula that may help in gambling is probability for roulette games, but i still believe math cannot affect to gambling games even you used probability because probability is all predicting the chances. I believe it is all about luck, so if you wanted to win you need to have good luck.

You are right about it but you know that probability also involves maths rules and steps going on are of maths. This is more relevant about this statement that only one thing which can help you in gambling is probability and because there is equal chances of winning and losing so you will need to know about the others turns and then you will decide the probable action to take place.

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Quote from: stephanirain on June 03, 2018, 08:15:54 AM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 06:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I think the only formula that may help in gambling is probability for roulette games, but i still believe math cannot affect to gambling games even you used probability because probability is all predicting the chances. I believe it is all about luck, so if you wanted to win you need to have good luck.

Roulette Games? You can predict the probability of your gambling every time but you can't predict the results of your gambling activities, well, that is obvious right. No matter what gambling or betting game is it, you can solve for your bet's probability to win, some of them may be of 1% or more but it is usually less but as I've said, no one can predict or solve for the result.

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Quote from: Elai101 on June 10, 2018, 08:32:30 PM

Quote from: Kate Beckett on June 10, 2018, 02:34:37 PM

I believe that a gambler who knows how to apply mathematical knowledge, especially the theory of probability, in practice, will predominantly remain in the winning position. And he can get a share of the huge sums that are spinning in this business. There are mathematically proven winning systems that are successfully used in practice by many players.

It depends on what kind of game you are joining some needs mathematical analysis but some games are only need experience.

Though we have good experience about the mathematical analysis sometime those analyses will not work in gambling because there are some games based on mathematics but winning through them is always very risky. For lower bets, the things will work but for higher bets, it is impossible to make money.

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Quote from: Kate Beckett on June 10, 2018, 02:34:37 PM

I believe that a gambler who knows how to apply mathematical knowledge, especially the theory of probability, in practice, will predominantly remain in the winning position. And he can get a share of the huge sums that are spinning in this business. There are mathematically proven winning systems that are successfully used in practice by many players.

It depends on what kind of game you are joining some needs mathematical analysis but some games are only need experience.

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I believe that a gambler who knows how to apply mathematical knowledge, especially the theory of probability, in practice, will predominantly remain in the winning position. And he can get a share of the huge sums that are spinning in this business. There are mathematically proven winning systems that are successfully used in practice by many players.

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Quote from: Btc_1856 on June 09, 2018, 09:22:17 PM

Mathematical calculations will not work in gambling, I have done many calculation but most of the cases I failed to won through gambling. Predictions will not work always because gambling is completely based on pure luck only.

Mathematical calculations may not work for some irrational things like feelings, but gambling is based on math so it perfectly works for it. If you mean that you can lose with 99% chance to win, it doesn't mean math is not working for gambling. In that case math is telling you that you still have 1% chance to lose and if you lose, don't blame math because you were warned by it that you can lose. Only if there was a strategy that mathematically guarantees your win with 100% accuracy and yet you were losing using it, you could say that math doesn't work for gambling, but apparently there is no such strategy.

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I think yes. Exactly for that reason the road to casino is closed for people with excellent math and memory possibilities.

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Quote from: maculeth on June 09, 2018, 10:24:08 PM

not necessarily, because in good strategy gambling and also skill can not determine victory. the most important is luck.

In majority of the games it wont help you as those are luck based games where you just to blindly play those games and based on the luck you win or lose it. Some of the games where skills are required , their maths can play the important role as within fraction of seconds you need to take those decisions while placing a bet.

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It depends on what kind you are going to play but mostly since gambling involves number then Math could be a big help but will not be the reason why you will really win. Luck will still be the number one reason why a gambler can win.

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