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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 06:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

I think yes, an old casino which has been very active here on the forum should have a large number of regular customers. All these older customers will not disappear just because the casino is cutting down on its advertising. The only change I would expect to see is a dropping number of new customers to join the casino. I think when it comes to advertising budgets the casinos can run a case study to see how many new customers they get per week with various advertising channels. In the end it's a cost/benefit analysis to see if it's really worth it. Let's say the casino notices that 80% of their revenues from existing gamblers and most of the new gamblers leave the casino after a few weeks. Then it could much better for the casino to run promotions directly for the older customers. Instead of paying for advertising they could make weekly giveaways for regular customers.

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Quote from: Issa56 on June 04, 2022, 05:34:54 PM

Am sure Bitcointalk is not the only place which marketing can be made, their are lot's of casino sites in my country that are not using Bitcointalk to market their site and they are doing well. Their are other places which you can market and people will get to know about the casino site, old casino sites marketing on Bitcointalk can decide to stop maybe they are not interested again or they have their own personal reason why they have to stop it, maybe they have seen another alternative with is better than Bitcointalk, but to me Bitcointalk is one of the places which I will recommend to people to market their casino site.

Bitcointalk forum is the best place for advertising crypto casinos exclusively. It wouldn't make sense for fiat casinos to advertise here, because they won't find the target public they are looking for in a bitcoin community. Then they have to find another methods to promote their brands and services, always aiming the kind of public they think it's more benefical for them. That is probably the reason why casinos in your country are doing well.

But for crypto casinos I don't see better alternatives besides bitcointalk forum to stay in evidence on the most popular crypto forum of the planet, and at social medias' channels to share their temporary giveaways and promotions.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 06:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

A case study is Bitvest and 777Coin we know that Lightlord was sick and now he is well and comes back from time to time but not doing the same thing they're doing for many years.

In the case of lightlord and bitvest, I think there is an issue somewhere which we don't even know about. Lightlord may have sold the casino and decided not to unveal it to the general public because of terms and conditions and for the casino to retain their customers. I think the case of lightlord was exceptional because he paid all his dues with owing anybody. The casinos have their reputation and their are many gamblers that are using it till now and they have not had any problem from it.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 06:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintaining its position in the market.

I am sure the casinos have several types of promotions and advertisements. Bitcointalk forum is only one of the media. They may still have other media to promote like advertising online, ads, and others.
related to the case, it will depend on the casino, if it is a highly reputable casino, it will not impact, the users will still use the casinos for gambling because it is about habit and their preference for gambling on the platform. The users will not care whether the casino is still promoted in this forum or not. But, this may decrease the probability of new users coming from this forum, as we know that this forum consists of thousands of users some of them also like gambling.

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Quote from: Issa56 on June 04, 2022, 05:34:54 PM

Am sure Bitcointalk is not the only place which marketing can be made, their are lot's of casino sites in my country that are not using Bitcointalk to market their site and they are doing well. Their are other places which you can market and people will get to know about the casino site, old casino sites marketing on Bitcointalk can decide to stop maybe they are not interested again or they have their own personal reason why they have to stop it, maybe they have seen another alternative with is better than Bitcointalk, but to me Bitcointalk is one of the places which I will recommend to people to market their casino site.

As we can see, this forum is only one of the many places that a certain casino can promote their site. If the old casino decided not to promote here anymore, it means, they already achieved what they want and they can maintain their site by other means. Though there are so many gamblers in the forum, I believe there are also high rollers that are not here. This is because, I have seen high rollers just go into this forum if they got rekt by a certain website. It means, they are playing in a particular site not because of the forum's promotion.

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Am sure Bitcointalk is not the only place which marketing can be made, their are lot's of casino sites in my country that are not using Bitcointalk to market their site and they are doing well. Their are other places which you can market and people will get to know about the casino site, old casino sites marketing on Bitcointalk can decide to stop maybe they are not interested again or they have their own personal reason why they have to stop it, maybe they have seen another alternative with is better than Bitcointalk, but to me Bitcointalk is one of the places which I will recommend to people to market their casino site.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 03, 2022, 04:23:49 AM

First of all we need to realize that marketing is something else, but being here is a must. Bitvest and 777 got a bit of hatred towards it not because they stopped paying, but they literally had empty hot wallet as well so people couldn't withdraw from the hot wallet and not only that, but the explanation was missing, "lightlord was sick", so? He could have hired someone else and kept it going. What did he do? Nothing at all that would help the business. So, people realized that it is a rug pull and nothing more.

If you are here, if you talk to people, if you respond, if you do small competitions for tiny amounts, if you keep it fun, that would be more than enough for keep going successful along with your hard built business. But, if you leave and never come back, then you can't succeed.

This show us how fragile trust really is, I also remember what happened with those two casinos and how the community trusted in them as they have been part of the forum for years, and then in a matter of months that trust went down the drain as the person which managed the casino on the absence of lightlord was not capable enough to do it, so all the work he did to be considered as a pair of casinos worth of trust was erased in such a short amount of time.

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First of all we need to realize that marketing is something else, but being here is a must. Bitvest and 777 got a bit of hatred towards it not because they stopped paying, but they literally had empty hot wallet as well so people couldn't withdraw from the hot wallet and not only that, but the explanation was missing, "lightlord was sick", so? He could have hired someone else and kept it going. What did he do? Nothing at all that would help the business. So, people realized that it is a rug pull and nothing more.

If you are here, if you talk to people, if you respond, if you do small competitions for tiny amounts, if you keep it fun, that would be more than enough for keep going successful along with your hard built business. But, if you leave and never come back, then you can't succeed.

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Quote from: michellee on May 30, 2022, 11:53:09 PM

Quote from: Sirait on May 30, 2022, 06:35:01 PM

what keeps users interested in staying on a gambling site is a contest and if the old gambling site regularly conducts marketing (contests, giveaways and campaigns) then I'm sure the site will continue to survive. there are quite a number of gambling sites that are older than bitvest and 777coin like freebitco.in but until now they still survive because their marketing is good.

It could be, but if the gambling site is not managed correctly, it is not necessarily the case that users will be interested in being on the old gambling site because there are concerns. What must be ascertained is what if several winners manage to win the contest, whether they can get the prize or still have to wait. That is why gambling sites have to make sure they still have enough money to hold contests or so on so that there is no doubt from the users.

This happens to me before where I waited almost two months before I finally get my prize on the contest that I won. This is too unprofessional. Why they conduct such contest without having the funds ready? For us winners we are also excited to get our winnings because we will use the money immediately.

Many participants starts to complain if they still keep on doing the same thing and that can greatly affect their reputation even if they say that they are not new anymore in the industry. It's not about the sig campaign and it's not about if how old or new the casino are but it was about managing things correctly (like you said). 777coin and bitvest are old sites and have been promoted regularly on the forum but there are still several complaints on them, mostly about delayed withdrawals.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 01, 2022, 12:22:06 PM

Quote from: livingfree on May 28, 2022, 01:33:10 PM

During the early days, when most people still did not believe in crypto.

This forum was the best for them because it hit the exact people that they need for their ads. Yeah, maybe not right now but still there's the exact reason why every crypto casino is in here it's one of the most effective ways to hit their niche.

There's an attachment already to them and that's why there's no need for them to leave and they can just stop or continue at their own will if they want to as per as advertising and marketing.

Without a doubt in the early days this forum was the best place where to promote your service, which is why signature campaigns became a thing at all, and while it is true that as time has passed other platforms have gotten more popular I still think that this forum will always have an audience, I have seen the quality of the discussion in some other platforms and it is very low so I think it will always have value for services like casinos to promote themselves here.

Yes, there is no doubt that the forum will always have the audience and marketing here through signatures will never get old.

That's why we see a lot of campaigns that have been stable remains and continues with what they've started. Well, let's take it from there and those that have left will eventually be back and can revamp a campaign for their own.

They're all free to do that anytime they want.

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Quote from: livingfree on May 28, 2022, 01:33:10 PM

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I think the forum is not the biggest source of players in probably all crypto casinos and sports betting sites. I think Bitcointalk is also probably not the place of marketing where most referrals are coming from. I could be wrong of course but that's my impression.

I know that Bitcointalk is contributing very well to the growth and success of the casinos that are promoted here. But leaving Bitcointalk won't probably cause these casinos to fall and lose their clients.

During the early days, when most people still did not believe in crypto.

This forum was the best for them because it hit the exact people that they need for their ads. Yeah, maybe not right now but still there's the exact reason why every crypto casino is in here it's one of the most effective ways to hit their niche.

There's an attachment already to them and that's why there's no need for them to leave and they can just stop or continue at their own will if they want to as per as advertising and marketing.

Without a doubt in the early days this forum was the best place where to promote your service, which is why signature campaigns became a thing at all, and while it is true that as time has passed other platforms have gotten more popular I still think that this forum will always have an audience, I have seen the quality of the discussion in some other platforms and it is very low so I think it will always have value for services like casinos to promote themselves here.

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Quote from: joeperry on May 30, 2022, 10:50:16 PM

I think they can keep up, have you seen big gambling like William Hill, they don't have ANN here but they are successful because the forum is not the option that they can advertise. Although most of their targets are fiat gamblers but if they use crypto the forum is the biggest and known crypto forum and I am sure that if they don't post it here or have a support here they might be still successful but they won't be able to get that much users from other promotions although they can use ads and promote that they are using crypto and still be able to be successful.

when gambling platforms only use FIAT as an approved transaction. it won't be a problem when they don't make any ads or campaigns on this forum, it will be normal. because their marketing can be through social media.
as well as gambling platforms that advertise on forums and use crypto as a transaction tool. their main target is crypto users. and advertising in forums will be very important. because the forum has a fairly large community. they have to advertise in the right places.

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Quote from: Sirait on May 30, 2022, 06:35:01 PM

what keeps users interested in staying on a gambling site is a contest and if the old gambling site regularly conducts marketing (contests, giveaways and campaigns) then I'm sure the site will continue to survive. there are quite a number of gambling sites that are older than bitvest and 777coin like freebitco.in but until now they still survive because their marketing is good.

It could be, but if the gambling site is not managed correctly, it is not necessarily the case that users will be interested in being on the old gambling site because there are concerns. What must be ascertained is what if several winners manage to win the contest, whether they can get the prize or still have to wait. That is why gambling sites have to make sure they still have enough money to hold contests or so on so that there is no doubt from the users.

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I think they can keep up, have you seen big gambling like William Hill, they don't have ANN here but they are successful because the forum is not the option that they can advertise. Although most of their targets are fiat gamblers but if they use crypto the forum is the biggest and known crypto forum and I am sure that if they don't post it here or have a support here they might be still successful but they won't be able to get that much users from other promotions although they can use ads and promote that they are using crypto and still be able to be successful.

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Quote from: Fortify on May 29, 2022, 09:54:54 AM

I think in order to stay credible you have to stay active in these forums, however you might be able to get away without paying for a signature campaign or other advertising. It's going to have a proportional effect on your bottom live though, that's why such forms of advertising are so popular here - not only do they give your casino name more exposure, they will directly generate a sizable return on investment.

I think those are two different things though? Casinos can still be credible without being active in the forum. They just have to stay active in replying to their customers' queries and questions and that's about it. Now whether those answers would be using this site, email, or whatever various methods they could employ, it would in no way affect the credibility that they actually have. I do agree with how advertisements are popular here, they're pretty much another method to open up your site to potential customers.

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They can survive if they have enough money for extensive marketing, but they will bill them 5 times what they spend here, with no assurance that it will create actual gamers and profits. We have YouTubers that are amazing at reviewing gambling trends and convincing their viewers to test a new casino, especially if there is a referral bonus.
Bitcointalk is one of the largest forums for Bitcoiners and cryptocurrencies, there are large investors and holders here who may want to use some to get more, it is an opportunity for them to continue displaying themselves to investors and if they do not, other competitors will replace them and collect members patronizing them.

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what keeps users interested in staying on a gambling site is a contest and if the old gambling site regularly conducts marketing (contests, giveaways and campaigns) then I'm sure the site will continue to survive. there are quite a number of gambling sites that are older than bitvest and 777coin like freebitco.in but until now they still survive because their marketing is good.

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Quote from: Oilacris on May 29, 2022, 04:34:14 AM

Quote from: livingfree on May 29, 2022, 03:05:54 AM

Well, the owner will be the one to decide if it's pointless and worthless. He's or they are the one to decide to fund up their campaigns so, as long as they see the metrics of it and they think it's no longer worth it.

Then they're free to stop it.

But if there's a good result that shows up with their metrics and results, there's no need for them to stop it as they see the worth of each buck they allocate on it.

It do really depends on the budget because ive seen some campaign do only last up for 1 week then completely stop which they are really testing it out if it does really work or get users or not and you are right that it do matters on them because they would last or tend to stop it directly if they dont see any results but just like been said by others that results doesnt come out on 1 week duration or few weeks because it would really be getting results in longer duration but of course it will really depend on the site if its good to look at or something interesting because marketing is useless
if your site is shit.

Yes, the budget matters.

If the result is positive, they'll just keep adding more funds and budget for it to continue. A week of campaign won't do a lot if its for long term unless the website is already popular as they do the campaign.

But if not, and is still on the phase of building its reputation, that's not really going to give a huge impact for their own benefit.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 06:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

A case study is Bitvest and 777Coin we know that Lightlord was sick and now he is well and comes back from time to time but not doing the same thing they're doing for many years.

I think its not all the time that a certain casino should necessarily hire Bitcointalk for its position in the market. They cannot maximize their profits if that's the case since a part of it will still go to Bitcointalk. Over time, i guess a good casino will already gain the heart of the players and that is the most important. That they feel the sincerity of the casino and that its good customer service makes them keep coming back and forth. However, on the side of the casino, they should still learn to adopt those new games so they can keep their customers not to go to other casinos to play.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 06:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

A case study is Bitvest and 777Coin we know that Lightlord was sick and now he is well and comes back from time to time but not doing the same thing they're doing for many years.

I think in order to stay credible you have to stay active in these forums, however you might be able to get away without paying for a signature campaign or other advertising. It's going to have a proportional effect on your bottom live though, that's why such forms of advertising are so popular here - not only do they give your casino name more exposure, they will directly generate a sizable return on investment. It only takes snagging one or two big whales, through a year of forum advertising, to cover all the outlay and still make a hefty additional profit on top. There is an underlying message as well when you're active here - that you're more reliable and trustworthy because you are upholding your reputation (well, generally this is true)

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