Can Old Casino Keep Up Without Support Here In Bitcointalk Or Signature Campaign - page 6.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 25, 2022, 01:09:04 PM

The other day I was reading about business on telegram channels. The main feature there is that in order to maintain the number of subscribers you should always invest part of the profits in advertising, as some of the old subscribers leave and you need to get new ones. I think the system is the same. If you do not replace users who are leaving (for various reasons), you will quickly find yourself without an audience. Another issue is that there are many other platforms for advertising besides BTT.

That much is clear. A business that does not invest in advertising can survive if it already has a large user base, but little by little the number of users will decrease. If it has loyal users, it will still be able to operate and make a profit, but it will not attract new users, although it will not have to spend on advertising.

I think they can only last for so long, depending on the userbase they have and how loyal they are.

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If they completely stop their support which is somewhat similar to Bitsler as someone mentioned earlier IMO it's still possible for them to keep up with most casinos but maybe not enough against the top ones. The reason why I say this is because as a gambler you'd rarely go back to old casinos as they rarely dish out changes while new casinos would try to up the competition by offering better rewards or contests. Then again, it's still important to have some sort of support here in some way since it provides a bit of visibility which can be important in case their casino goes through a massive change.

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It is true that there is a segment of loyal customers who will always stay with the platform regardless of forum advertising or signature campaigns. The question is whether that support is enough to sustain a regular user base and long term existence. For example, there are new, modern gambling platforms that pop up all the time with a lot of fancy features and user friendly interface. Those platforms are only able to compete on features with the bigger traditional brands because of the bigger budgets they invest in advertising. When something is really well marketed, and well received by users, then it's going to be a tough challenge for these older platforms to compete in the market. Most of these platforms end up going out of business if they don't invest enough in their marketing and do not keep up with the latest technological advances of their peers.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

A case study is Bitvest and 777Coin we know that Lightlord was sick and now he is well and comes back from time to time but not doing the same thing they're doing for many years.

There are a lot of reputable casinos that stop promotion here yet they are still the trusted casino and has a lot of active players. Primedice and Bitsler have already stop their promotions here yet they are still running steadily despite the increasing number of competitors. Of course, the impact of promotion here is very huge but established casinos can run without it with just minor setbacks to their profit. Still it depends on the Casino games offered on website promotion to determine if it's sufficient to run without additional marketing here or not.

Bitvest and 777 are not famous anymore since it didn't upgrade to a full casino. So with or without the campaign here, I think the outcome will still the same since they didn't upgrade to compete with the existing casino.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

A case study is Bitvest and 777Coin we know that Lightlord was sick and now he is well and comes back from time to time but not doing the same thing they're doing for many years.

This is pretty interesting question.
If you ask me, the age of a crypto casino doesn't matter, the size is what matters the most.
There are old crypto casinos, that are still relatively small. I don't think that they could survive without consistent advertising here on Bitcointalk. On the other hand, a big crypto casino(it doesn't matter if it's old or relatively new) can keep a large portion of it's players without active advertising on the forum, but the stream of new players might be reduced(assuming that the casino doesn't have a good referral/bonus system).
We are talking about the legit casinos here. A scam casino will always fail in the end. With or without proper advertising, sig campaigns and active announcement threads.

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You guys forget one thing: We are talking in most cases ( I would even go as far as to say 99% of cases ), we are exactly the right crowd to advertise crypto gambling. And we are one of the biggest crowds along with Reddit for crypto. So obviously advertising on Bitcointalk with Signature campaigns and some of the other stuff already mentioned before, is a huge way to get leads ( New gamblers for the casino ).

A single gambler uses makes back a lot more than they spend on advertising here. Plus many countries have restrictions to advertise gambling so good luck with marketing.

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Quote from: Maslate on May 25, 2022, 10:56:49 AM

If a casino will stop its promotion because the owner is sick, then I think we have a problem with running the business. A good business has to ensure that it does not only rely on one person, there should be proper planning as to who will take over once the boss is sick or can't manage the business anymore.

That is a criticism we made to Lightlord. It happened with both casino payouts and signature campaigns. I guess he doesn't trust someone to delegate and prefers to have everything under his control, but a business that has problems because the owner gets sick doesn't inspire much confidence.

In the bitvest.io thread someone commented that his casinos are maintained because he has some addicts spending their money there, I don't know to what extent it is true.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

A case study is Bitvest and 777Coin we know that Lightlord was sick and now he is well and comes back from time to time but not doing the same thing they're doing for many years.

Of course, yes. They can return to this forum and start a new promotion by using a signature campaign or other promotion. But they need to make sure that everything now is working properly so while they do promotions, they will not get any problems and the promotions can run smoothly.

The old casino deserves to have a new promotion as they will have another new plan for their site or have already added some new features that can benefit their members. Besides that, I thought they had already experienced it before so it would not be too hard for them to restart their campaign.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

I think so. I don't think the crypto gambling industry is highly influenced by things happening here in the forum. As a matter of fact, with all honesty, a success of a crypto casino or betting site does not depend on whether it is present here in the forum or not.

Advertisement is very important, but if you're only advertising in this forum, I don't think you're guaranteed of success. So a crypto casino will have to be promoted outside.

My point is that bitcointalk is not indispensable.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

As long as they have a good reputation, have many users, and are also interested to play gambling in the platform, it will not give big influence if they stop using the campaign. Because commonly, gamblers will stay because they have their own interests and exciting games on the platforms, easiness, rewards, live supports, and other ositive things of the platforms.
Moreover, users of the gambling itself may not only come from this forum.
It may be different if the gambling platform is new enough there may be an impact moreover if they don't have a good reputation.

The key to the success of online casinos is to maintain their good reputation, because online casinos with a good reputation of course attract many
people to play gambling on their platform. Because most gamblers want to play gambling safely and want to avoid being scammed, therefore reputation is
the first thing that gamblers will consider when choosing a gambling platform. Even though old casino finally decided not to do promotions on Bitcointalk
or not to do a signature campaign anymore, can still survive if they maintain their reputation well. But it would be even better if old casino continued
to promote through signature campaigns on Bitcointalk, because it can attract a lot of new users. Because in my opinion promotions must continue
to be carried out to be able to make old casinos compete with new gambling platforms. Therefore, usually large online casinos have their own budget
for promotional costs.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

The fact that they suddenly pull the plug here then it means there's a problem with their time management and a lack of representatives to handle queries here. If they can't sustain or manage their main discussion here, how's more running the site that has lots of users, for even let's say they are here in the crypto-gambling world for several years.

I just hope that even in the event of that, they can still stand strong. Having a healthy discussion thread in the forum is necessary for me as this is the only place where crypto-enthusiast lurks in everyday discussion in all genres.

Pull the plug on the sense that the owner of the mentioned casino does have some health problems thats why their promotion/marketing had eventually stopped on point which is something that cant really be avoided on most circumstances yet we arent able to assure that we would be keeping ourselves fit or healthy most of the time and aside from other personal reasons which might really cause for these kind of events.
For business handling then its up to them whether they would really be resuming it out or would completely stop.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on May 25, 2022, 07:06:38 PM

Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

As long as they have a good reputation, have many users, and are also interested to play gambling in the platform, it will not give big influence if they stop using the campaign. Because commonly, gamblers will stay because they have their own interests and exciting games on the platforms, easiness, rewards, live supports, and other ositive things of the platforms.
Moreover, users of the gambling itself may not only come from this forum.
It may be different if the gambling platform is new enough there may be an impact moreover if they don't have a good reputation.

777 and also bitvest has already known in this forum they lightlord built his reputation for how many years and this community support him and his project so for me if lightlord will return here in our forum a have a doubt that all the supporters before will support in the future but for sure many will still support not all but at least those gamblers feel good and comfortable with that casino will play again .

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

The fact that they suddenly pull the plug here then it means there's a problem with their time management and a lack of representatives to handle queries here. If they can't sustain or manage their main discussion here, how's more running the site that has lots of users, for even let's say they are here in the crypto-gambling world for several years.

I just hope that even in the event of that, they can still stand strong. Having a healthy discussion thread in the forum is necessary for me as this is the only place where crypto-enthusiast lurks in everyday discussion in all genres.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

As long as they have a good reputation, have many users, and are also interested to play gambling in the platform, it will not give big influence if they stop using the campaign. Because commonly, gamblers will stay because they have their own interests and exciting games on the platforms, easiness, rewards, live supports, and other ositive things of the platforms.
Moreover, users of the gambling itself may not only come from this forum.
It may be different if the gambling platform is new enough there may be an impact moreover if they don't have a good reputation.

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Quote from: robelneo on May 25, 2022, 06:21:43 PM

I still believe that Bitvest, 77Coin, and other trusted casinos that stopped their marketing here to come back here if their stats and their players numbers going down, they can still easily attract because of the number of years behind them, and of course their reputation.

They'll be back for sure if they've seen that the actual users count and active players have gone down. They'll create a promo together with their marketing and campaign for them to attract visitors again.

Well, currently, the plan of the campaign has been fulfilled and executed very well. It ran for several years and the results were good on them and the same for the other that used the forum as their marketing place because it's very effective.

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Quote from: uneng on May 25, 2022, 04:27:03 PM

Once a casino shut down their marketing and support services at the forum, it will be slowly fading away from the community's routine, imaginary and conversations, while another casinos investing in advertisement, active support and frequent promotions will take its spot, overcoming it in the end and gathering all the gamblers for themselves.

This seems to be quite abit of exaggeration. Most people that have their signature from a casino doesnt really play anyway, even if some do that wouldnt really make up to all those expense that the site spend. Aside from that the market share from this site is actually low compared to some other site but it does have significant amount of impression though

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Quote from: arifteguhr on May 25, 2022, 01:37:44 PM

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on May 25, 2022, 01:29:56 PM

Why not? I think it will be maintainable even though most of the new users through the forum are getting interested in trying out new casinos. Gambling whales seem to prefer to gamble at a casino they trust with a reputation for in the long term, so they will stay there even if there is a possibility of switching to another casino. But in the end we don't really know until representatives of certain casinos share the pertinent information here.

So not entirely gamblers will be attracted to new casinos because they will stick to the old casinos and have been entrusted for fair play, but the attraction factor because of the bonuses offered or interest from influencers but for gambling whales will not generate interest from any offer factor.

New gamblers will only be attracted to the new casino because of the promotion and bonuses but the rest they will always stick to the reputable one since it has a higher chance of not scamming gamblers even if they win big. And for the topic, bitcointalk isn't just the only place to advertise their casino since we have the internet they can publish it somewhere or in another platform. And those old gamblers or even whales will prefer a reputable casino even if they switch to another casino.

so the answer here is yes, the old casino can survive even without sig campaign in the forum. they can always run other promo activities like race, contests and other bounty programs just to keep refreshing their existence. but i don't think a sig campaign is a must for every casino. and you're right, some of these gamblers will stay on the casino. they will try new ones but mostly will keep coming back to where they are more comfortable with.

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Quote from: chaser15 on May 25, 2022, 06:29:02 PM

Quote from: judeafante on May 25, 2022, 07:59:30 AM

Can an old casino that's very active here in Bitcointalk, through support, forum advertising, and signature campaign, suddenly pull the plug and stop doing all these things can still keep and still maintain its position in the market.

A case study is Bitvest and 777Coin we know that Lightlord was sick and now he is well and comes back from time to time but not doing the same thing they're doing for many years.

As long as their ANN thread is active and there's a forum representative, all is well. A signature campaign is not necessary anymore since as you said, these casinos are already operating for long that it doesn't need any forms of marketing here.

However, their ANN there should always be healthy and they are actively responding to queries.

The case you mentioned is just an isolated case. Unfortunately, they weren't able to make their thread alive. But look at Nitrogensports as an example, no marketing here but still alive and kicking in business.

Wont really be that necessary because a business could really sustain if they are earning sufficient without having the marketing but it would be good if they would still continue at least and that would

be totally depending on the owner and we know that they do have current problems which is understandable but still the business is still running well and ongoing despite of those conditions.
If they could sustain and able to run for long term then this wont really be that much of a concern.I do agree though on that ANN thread on making it active at least.

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They can maintain their popularity among their regular or old players even if they suddenly stopped forum advertisements but how about attracting the new players? I bet casinos with more aggressive campaigns here will get more share of that than casinos that only relies on their ANN support. It remains true that new customers is needed to keep any business alive and prosper.

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Quote from: arifteguhr on May 25, 2022, 01:37:44 PM

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on May 25, 2022, 01:29:56 PM

Why not? I think it will be maintainable even though most of the new users through the forum are getting interested in trying out new casinos. Gambling whales seem to prefer to gamble at a casino they trust with a reputation for in the long term, so they will stay there even if there is a possibility of switching to another casino. But in the end we don't really know until representatives of certain casinos share the pertinent information here.

So not entirely gamblers will be attracted to new casinos because they will stick to the old casinos and have been entrusted for fair play, but the attraction factor because of the bonuses offered or interest from influencers but for gambling whales will not generate interest from any offer factor.

New gamblers will only be attracted to the new casino because of the promotion and bonuses but the rest they will always stick to the reputable one since it has a higher chance of not scamming gamblers even if they win big. And for the topic, bitcointalk isn't just the only place to advertise their casino since we have the internet they can publish it somewhere or in another platform. And those old gamblers or even whales will prefer a reputable casino even if they switch to another casino.

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