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Because there is one truth, if it will go up, then it should show it will go up, obviously some shocking news could change that in a minute, but unless that happens it should be as obvious as it gets most of the time.

It is technically good, but fundamentally negative then the technical will fail. I understand this since I started trading precisely in 2015. So basically at the moment there are only two strategies that apply in the trading market. That is technical and fundamental and still plus mental management. That combination is an old way that I still use today. Although it does need adjustment to current market conditions. But indeed everyone has their own way that is adapted to comfort and that is what differentiates.

Strategies won't last and will not exist until now if it isn't effective. It only depends on how we apply it and how we deal with the volatility of the market. Both technical and fundamental analyses are needed for us to make concrete decisions when trading. I think the best strategy or edge that we can have when trading is knowledge of what we are doing and managing the risks. Lack of knowledge especially about the basics will surely lead us to losses despite applying the most recent or latest strategies that we know.

Well, there is something that many do not know here, but when you read books you realize that the commercial strategies are the same that were applied many years ago, only now things are on another level because first the tools that are there are much more advanced than in the 1800s,but basically the market always moves under the same criteria:

1.-Fundamentals.
2.-Institutions, Whales.
3--Emotions

I think that no more things come from there, and as things are so common with traders, each one gives a strategy that can be baptized with his name, but the old strategies are applicable to the entire market.

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

First thought that came to my mind while reading was, what are the old strategies we are talking about here?
Because since I started buying and selling crypto since 2016, I've not heard of any other strategy aside from DCA..

And to answer your question, if as a trader which strategies that help me win my trades, and along the line, I discovered a new strategy that is really working, then I simply would leave the old strategy somewhere in my head where I can easily recall it, just incase, the new strategy stopped working, it's as Simple as that.

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Trading approaches that were profitable in the past may no longer be effective in the future. When considering a strategy shift, it's critical to analyze previous tactics and decide whether to dismiss them entirely or keep them in mind for the future. While a new strategy may be operating well, an old one may become useful again in the future. It is critical to remain adaptable and open to modifying techniques as needed, while still recognizing the potential usefulness of previous approaches. Finally, the most effective approach is one that is adaptable to changing market conditions. Willing to learn some new strategies, any tips?

It is not sometimes good to totally dismiss the
Old strategy you used before that worked for you,because it might be very helpful in the future or present.To me,whatever strategy that worked for me before,I dont throw them away or forget them,I try them with the present trading situation,if it works,I use it,if it doesn't,I try to consult my colleagues,because deriving a strategy by yourself can sometimes seem difficult,it's called update,when you are updated on the strategy that is currently working,you switch to it for it to work for you as well.
Most persons will dismiss their old strategy and switch to the latest ones they are using,but sometimes the old strategise are more effective and better than the new ones

All I know is that the market changes and for us to keep using the same strategy over and over again, we need to keep adjusting our strategy to fit in to the current market situation. We should be responsible for making sure that our strategies conform to the market structure so as to trade the market in the right way that will enable us to make profits. We need to ensure we are prepared as a trader to utilize our tools to make sure that we get the best from the market since our aim is to make profits.

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Quote from: andriarto on April 13, 2023, 10:15:46 PM

Quote from: martyns on April 13, 2023, 04:54:07 PM

... trading in my opinion is our communication with the market according to our own point of view. even though using the same strategy, but because everyone has a different point of view, the final result will be different too

I agree with you, 2 people use the same method, same strategy, and same currency pair to trade, but the results will not be the same. Trading successfully doesn't just depend on the use of old or new strategies, but more importantly, it depends on the way they are used as well as the knowledge and experiences of the individual traders. Old nor new strategies are considered to me, whatever suits me and makes a profit is the one I will use.

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Quote from: cydrix on April 12, 2023, 01:44:57 PM

Trading approaches that were profitable in the past may no longer be effective in the future. When considering a strategy shift, it's critical to analyze previous tactics and decide whether to dismiss them entirely or keep them in mind for the future. While a new strategy may be operating well, an old one may become useful again in the future. It is critical to remain adaptable and open to modifying techniques as needed, while still recognizing the potential usefulness of previous approaches. Finally, the most effective approach is one that is adaptable to changing market conditions. Willing to learn some new strategies, any tips?

It is not sometimes good to totally dismiss the
Old strategy you used before that worked for you,because it might be very helpful in the future or present.To me,whatever strategy that worked for me before,I dont throw them away or forget them,I try them with the present trading situation,if it works,I use it,if it doesn't,I try to consult my colleagues,because deriving a strategy by yourself can sometimes seem difficult,it's called update,when you are updated on the strategy that is currently working,you switch to it for it to work for you as well.
Most persons will dismiss their old strategy and switch to the latest ones they are using,but sometimes the old strategise are more effective and better than the new ones

basically I just use the old strategy where we often make transactions so we understand the characteristics of the strategy I use. so never change strategy but rather self-development because over time we have trading intuition. trading in my opinion is our communication with the market according to our own point of view. even though using the same strategy, but because everyone has a different point of view, the final result will be different too

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Since the market changes everytime and we can not always stick to the same strategy over and over again, we need to make sure that we work from our current or old strategies so that we can make some adjustments according to the current market movement so that we can keep using it to make some good profits from the market. Old strategy can be useful we that are rebranded to a way that it will be able to serve and give current guesses about the current market movement.
It is good we work on our strategies debugging them maybe they can still serve us we'll.

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Quote from: cydrix on April 12, 2023, 01:44:57 PM

Trading approaches that were profitable in the past may no longer be effective in the future. When considering a strategy shift, it's critical to analyze previous tactics and decide whether to dismiss them entirely or keep them in mind for the future. While a new strategy may be operating well, an old one may become useful again in the future. It is critical to remain adaptable and open to modifying techniques as needed, while still recognizing the potential usefulness of previous approaches. Finally, the most effective approach is one that is adaptable to changing market conditions. Willing to learn some new strategies, any tips?

It is not sometimes good to totally dismiss the
Old strategy you used before that worked for you,because it might be very helpful in the future or present.To me,whatever strategy that worked for me before,I dont throw them away or forget them,I try them with the present trading situation,if it works,I use it,if it doesn't,I try to consult my colleagues,because deriving a strategy by yourself can sometimes seem difficult,it's called update,when you are updated on the strategy that is currently working,you switch to it for it to work for you as well.
Most persons will dismiss their old strategy and switch to the latest ones they are using,but sometimes the old strategise are more effective and better than the new ones

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Quote from: cydrix on April 12, 2023, 01:44:57 PM

Trading approaches that were profitable in the past may no longer be effective in the future. When considering a strategy shift, it's critical to analyze previous tactics and decide whether to dismiss them entirely or keep them in mind for the future. While a new strategy may be operating well, an old one may become useful again in the future. It is critical to remain adaptable and open to modifying techniques as needed, while still recognizing the potential usefulness of previous approaches. Finally, the most effective approach is one that is adaptable to changing market conditions. Willing to learn some new strategies, any tips?

Are there any new strategies? All the new strategies I've seen are essentially old strategies with a new name. Maybe there are some small improvements, but nothing more than that. The old strategies are described in textbooks and are already owned by the community. Is it worth buying a candy wrapper? Here everyone decides for himself

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Trading approaches that were profitable in the past may no longer be effective in the future. When considering a strategy shift, it's critical to analyze previous tactics and decide whether to dismiss them entirely or keep them in mind for the future. While a new strategy may be operating well, an old one may become useful again in the future. It is critical to remain adaptable and open to modifying techniques as needed, while still recognizing the potential usefulness of previous approaches. Finally, the most effective approach is one that is adaptable to changing market conditions. Willing to learn some new strategies, any tips?

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

The market is constantly changing. For 3 years, I have modified the trading strategy many times to suit the current realities. What worked in 2018 did not work at all in 2021, and so on. And I don’t even want to talk about the change in trend, the change of bulls to bears and vice versa. It's all about the markets themselves. It's no secret that exchanges monitor the actions of traders, and if they notice some patterns that a trader very often successfully uses in his strategies, then they try to fix it. I have noticed this many times. Although, why be surprised, because exchanges are a kind of casino that always plays against its client. Therefore, it is not beneficial for them that someone finds the right ways to extract money. They will stop this in every possible way and reconfigure the bots so that your working methods are the least effective.

Therefore, if you want to remain a successful trader on exchanges, you constantly need to refine and modify your strategy to the current market realities.

I was thinking it is our approach to the market that needs to be modified, because it is the same strategy traders have maintained over the years. The candle sticks are still the same, indicators as well hasn't changed, Sometimes it could be that traders tend to forget how to use the strategy the built in the past and as a result build new ones and discard the former.

old strategy in the world of trading is of course the same as other new strategy strategies,
because indeed indicators, technical analysis, fundamentals can be done in ways that are comfortable for you,
you don't have to feel that the old strategy will be different, if you are not confident then your trading will not be will feel comfortable,
because if you are comfortable with the strategy that you have of course profits will come.

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

The market is constantly changing. For 3 years, I have modified the trading strategy many times to suit the current realities. What worked in 2018 did not work at all in 2021, and so on. And I don’t even want to talk about the change in trend, the change of bulls to bears and vice versa. It's all about the markets themselves. It's no secret that exchanges monitor the actions of traders, and if they notice some patterns that a trader very often successfully uses in his strategies, then they try to fix it. I have noticed this many times. Although, why be surprised, because exchanges are a kind of casino that always plays against its client. Therefore, it is not beneficial for them that someone finds the right ways to extract money. They will stop this in every possible way and reconfigure the bots so that your working methods are the least effective.

Therefore, if you want to remain a successful trader on exchanges, you constantly need to refine and modify your strategy to the current market realities.

I was thinking it is our approach to the market that needs to be modified, because it is the same strategy traders have maintained over the years. The candle sticks are still the same, indicators as well hasn't changed, Sometimes it could be that traders tend to forget how to use the strategy the built in the past and as a result build new ones and discard the former.

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Sometimes, being old is also associated with being outdated. But yes, I also believe that it’s not how old the strategy is, as long as it’s still functional and not outdated, it can still be a perfect strategy to use. But if in case the strategy is already outdated and not being updated or level up, there’s really chances that it will never work again. Also you have to evaluate and retest too if it will not gonna work anymore before abandoning it.

I believe that each strategy, no matter new or old, should be adapted to each trader individually. Everything new is well-forgotten old, so we can sometimes take something useful from old strategies. Any strategy needs to be tested, without this we will not be able to find out how good it can be for us.

And it should be evaluated as well in order to know if that is effective or if it needs to upgrade. But for me, it was good for us traders to develop a new strategy that is also applicable to the current market situation as we know that not all strategies will work in all conditions, some are less effective and some are totally not. And it means that some of our old strategies will still be working but can't ignore the possibility that is was not effective than before.

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Quote from: xCryptoManiaX on March 20, 2023, 04:12:14 PM

There isn't a one stratefy to rule them all. If you want to be profitable you always have to adapt according to the market conditions!

Yes exactly single strategy may not always work and if one knows how to use such strategies and when to use will easily get profit out of it. We hear about strategies from longer time and i may not seen that some of these strategy fails to work but the main thing which matters is that a person should have knowledge about the proper time to use it.

It does not refer to the fact that for success new strategies will arise but it means that you will use the old strategies but in different time for different coins. No one can disregard the old strategies because these all are in use and no one can disregard the benefit of using these strategies.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 09, 2023, 01:44:25 PM

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The question of if or if not an old trading strategy can work again depends on if the strategy is outdated or not, not whether it is old.

If the strategy is outdated due to a better, more accurate strategy existing or because the strategy does not work for modern times, then obviously it is better to avoid it and go with something better. But again, in order to find that out you have to understand the fundamental workings of said strategy. Some of them are completely timeless while others have gone completely extinct since the age of the internet.

But this topic has gotten me thinking...I would love to go through some ancient trading strategies, perhaps I can find resurrect a hidden gem?

Sometimes, being old is also associated with being outdated. But yes, I also believe that it’s not how old the strategy is, as long as it’s still functional and not outdated, it can still be a perfect strategy to use. But if in case the strategy is already outdated and not being updated or level up, there’s really chances that it will never work again. Also you have to evaluate and retest too if it will not gonna work anymore before abandoning it.

True, even though the strategy can be said to be old, if it's still relevant, I don't think it's a problem,
we judge strategy from a functional standpoint and that's the way it should be,
besides that it's not easy to find a strategy that suits us.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 09, 2023, 01:44:25 PM

Sometimes, being old is also associated with being outdated. But yes, I also believe that it’s not how old the strategy is, as long as it’s still functional and not outdated, it can still be a perfect strategy to use. But if in case the strategy is already outdated and not being updated or level up, there’s really chances that it will never work again. Also you have to evaluate and retest too if it will not gonna work anymore before abandoning it.

I believe that each strategy, no matter new or old, should be adapted to each trader individually. Everything new is well-forgotten old, so we can sometimes take something useful from old strategies. Any strategy needs to be tested, without this we will not be able to find out how good it can be for us.

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I agree about testing it again, this would give you an idea how it is nowadays and if it works again or not. Sometimes when you are on a bull period, some strategies work amazingly, sure everyone is making money during that time but some strategies make so much more than everyone else and people get rich thanks to that in a few months during bull period.

However, when the bear hits then suddenly they start to lose money or just simply not make anything and they shelf that strategy until the next bull run comes along again. So when the next bull comes, they can go back to that old strategy again and make profit using that all over again as well, so they start to work properly.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on March 29, 2023, 11:46:10 AM

The question of if or if not an old trading strategy can work again depends on if the strategy is outdated or not, not whether it is old.

If the strategy is outdated due to a better, more accurate strategy existing or because the strategy does not work for modern times, then obviously it is better to avoid it and go with something better. But again, in order to find that out you have to understand the fundamental workings of said strategy. Some of them are completely timeless while others have gone completely extinct since the age of the internet.

But this topic has gotten me thinking...I would love to go through some ancient trading strategies, perhaps I can find resurrect a hidden gem?

Sometimes, being old is also associated with being outdated. But yes, I also believe that it’s not how old the strategy is, as long as it’s still functional and not outdated, it can still be a perfect strategy to use. But if in case the strategy is already outdated and not being updated or level up, there’s really chances that it will never work again. Also you have to evaluate and retest too if it will not gonna work anymore before abandoning it.

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

In my opinion, old trading strategies shouldn't be discarded, we never know what will happen in the future. I used to have a strategy that worked in the past but then stopped working, I kept it aside, developed a new and however I discovered that after some months, this same old abandoned strategy was put in use and made me some good bucks. I think different strategies worked in different market condition. So basically, what I did was to evaluate why the strategy did not work in the past and I noticed there were some underlying issues or flaws that need to be addressed, I fixed it and reapplied it. As a trader be open or be fluid and be ready to adapt to the market as changes happen. Old strategies are gold and shouldn't be thrown out the window.

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

That's an interesting question I haven't really thought about. Financial markets are very dynamic and fast changing, if there is a profitable trading strategy we will see many different traders copying it until it becomes less profitable and traders move on. That's why it's always important to check our own strategies regularly and see if market conditions changed and we are losing money. With that in mind old strategies could become profitable if they are abandoned by all traders again. The thing with my trading strategies is that I don't really have a fixed one, I use a wide range of technical indicators to get trading signals. And these indicators I switch from time to time depending on the current market situation. In bear markets where prices are moving much faster I tend to use mostly short term indicators, and during bull markets I focus more on longterm trend analysis. Maybe now with the rise of AI we can have a program that constantly evaluates all our past strategies and ranks them based on profitability.

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Quote from: GreenStox on April 03, 2023, 02:00:51 AM

this is just my opinion, I think this strategy will probably be useful in the future because the market is like a recurring obstacle course, so if you have a different path you can try another strategy, then when you return to the old path then the strategy will work again .
if it is exactly the same as what you tell,market conditions will continue to repeatedly rise and fall, but will continue to rise in the long term.

Constantly changing strategies based on market trends. Any old strategies can be effective in this case. Since Bitcoin is volatile cryptocurrency. Therefore, it is natural that the situation will change at the same time also the different strategies will change. A trader's main objective is to earn profit from the market. The way in which he can perform this task is suitable for him. It doesn't matter whether the trading strategy is old or new. Any strategy can be useful at any time.

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