Can old trading strategies work again? - page 3.

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Quote from: Negotiation on April 06, 2023, 03:23:27 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on April 05, 2023, 06:59:05 PM

Just like on what said above which old or new it would really work but we know that technicals arent that enough or a solid thing for you to rely on when we do make out trades.
We do keep on formulating on what are the ways we could be able to take advantage. Does it work all the time? No its not.This is why we do keep on formulating strategies
basing up on the market condition that we are really that facing on. Make use of indicators which do works for you and dont depend on other peoples
analysis.

I agree with your point, Many rules of the past come in handy for a while, which we often forget that all our past and present rules work together. But I can say that a lot of previous thinking helps to generate new ideas that lead to all kinds of new thinking and problem solving. As every trader goes through a learning curve, it can be said that the past and present combine to produce a result. Finally, we can say that we will use all the technical things of the past that will be useful to us, and on the contrary, it is better to keep away those that will not be useful to us.

the old or the new trading strategy actually won't be much different. whatever we used in the past will give us experience that we can use for our current trades. using a new trading strategy that may be the development of an old strategy.
those who are more active in trading know how they will use the right trading strategy and they use it the most. each trader has their own way.

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For me there are no old strategies, because currently the same ones exist but they are called other names, the market has always been the same, with the same things, with the same traps, traders and investors have more analysis tools and with everything that the same strategies can continue to be applied, this is something that does not change, since 1800 things have remained the same, a market is affected by the fundamentals, the same for that time, all the things that are considered have the same impact Currently, for me there are no old strategies.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on April 05, 2023, 06:59:05 PM

Just like on what said above which old or new it would really work but we know that technicals arent that enough or a solid thing for you to rely on when we do make out trades.
We do keep on formulating on what are the ways we could be able to take advantage. Does it work all the time? No its not.This is why we do keep on formulating strategies
basing up on the market condition that we are really that facing on. Make use of indicators which do works for you and dont depend on other peoples
analysis.

I agree with your point, Many rules of the past come in handy for a while, which we often forget that all our past and present rules work together. But I can say that a lot of previous thinking helps to generate new ideas that lead to all kinds of new thinking and problem solving. As every trader goes through a learning curve, it can be said that the past and present combine to produce a result. Finally, we can say that we will use all the technical things of the past that will be useful to us, and on the contrary, it is better to keep away those that will not be useful to us.

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Quote from: Obari on April 04, 2023, 08:39:08 PM

Actually strategies work with the current position of the market and if the market shifts and the current strategy doesn't fit in again, the it is wise you get a new strategy that fits in but I also do think that it will be nice if old strategies aren't just thrown away if they stop working at that very moment because it would be more better to have some reminisce on the past strategies and possibly learning from them and even joining some old strategies together to get a working new strategy.

I don't throw my strategies away just because it stops working at a time and I prefer to have some collection of the because it helps me make some wise decision in the future while trading.

Just like on what said above which old or new it would really work but we know that technicals arent that enough or a solid thing for you to rely on when we do make out trades.
We do keep on formulating on what are the ways we could be able to take advantage. Does it work all the time? No its not.This is why we do keep on formulating strategies
basing up on the market condition that we are really that facing on. Make use of indicators which do works for you and dont depend on other peoples
analysis.

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Actually strategies work with the current position of the market and if the market shifts and the current strategy doesn't fit in again, the it is wise you get a new strategy that fits in but I also do think that it will be nice if old strategies aren't just thrown away if they stop working at that very moment because it would be more better to have some reminisce on the past strategies and possibly learning from them and even joining some old strategies together to get a working new strategy.

I don't throw my strategies away just because it stops working at a time and I prefer to have some collection of the because it helps me make some wise decision in the future while trading.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on April 03, 2023, 08:47:42 AM

OP, what you have said is more to be looked into. Old strategies are ok to use but you know as time goes on, new development and technology emanate which calls for upgrade. You upgrading means you discovering new more strategy but however discovering new strategy does not mean you neglecting your old one you can combine both then apply it to a trade which seems difficult for you or you use the knowledge gained from that old trading to make your way through the complexity of any trade you find yourself in.
The idea of studying a market trend is very much important as well as stated by a member while commenting on this topic that would give you a guideline on how to enter the market and also know the exact trading technique you will implore to scale through in that trade.
So In essence, no trading knowledge or idea is a waste. You can combine them in achieving a positive result while trading.

I think having better technology and better understanding of the market thanks to more detailed research, allows us to have a better trading strategies as well. However, something as old as "buy low, sell high" could still work as well.

You may not know when it will be at the bottom, or you won't know what is the top, but you would know something is down when you see it go from 68k to 16k, there is no reason not to buy it there, it's the ideal "buy low" situation. And same goes for when it is 100k in the next cycle, maybe it will go higher, but you just made more than x5 return, isn't that a reason to be happy about? Of course it is, and that's all we need in the end.

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

It's crucial to keep up with the ever-changing financial market and be adaptable to new trends. But, that doesn't mean we should completely toss out old trading strategies. We should save 'em in the archives and analyze why they ain't as effective anymore. By doing this, we can figure out the key principles or components that can still be used in a new context. Think of old strategies as a foundation for success, but we gotta give them a revamp for the current market. Keep in mind though, what worked in the past might not work in the present, so be flexible and open to change.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on April 03, 2023, 11:41:20 AM

Strategy works on fixed things. But to be honest trading is not predictable. Now if you here apply the same old tricks, then definitely no one can save you from getting losses. No strategy works the second time, and trading is the real life example for this. You should be adaptive, that is, you should trade according to the market conditions. If you overlook the market stats and keep on trading usually, then the chances of getting losses will increase. Trade cautiously as hard earned money is at stake. At last trade with the amount that you can afford to lose. This can be the best and safest strategy .

Trade only what you can lose is the old strategy that will apply in all things. I think old strategy can be a good thing for starters but in the long run we need to understand how the market will grow and how it will work, we don't need to focus too much to the result because without the right TA or FA we can't get the profit that we will wanted. Different people uses different methods and strategies, if we have an extra money paying for a tutorial is good too.

Old or not it would really be just the same.An analysis is an analysis and there's no old and new as long it does work then that what matter the most. This is why each one of us would really be thriving on learning

up things as much as we could.We do have technicals and we do have fundamentals which could make use of or would be able to apply whenever we do decide on making up some trading decisions.

This is why we do lots of trial and errors when it comes to our strategy on a specific market condition.If it doesnt work then we would find for another one and
the cycle continues and so forth.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on April 03, 2023, 11:41:20 AM

Strategy works on fixed things. But to be honest trading is not predictable. Now if you here apply the same old tricks, then definitely no one can save you from getting losses. No strategy works the second time, and trading is the real life example for this. You should be adaptive, that is, you should trade according to the market conditions. If you overlook the market stats and keep on trading usually, then the chances of getting losses will increase. Trade cautiously as hard earned money is at stake. At last trade with the amount that you can afford to lose. This can be the best and safest strategy .

Trade only what you can lose is the old strategy that will apply in all things. I think old strategy can be a good thing for starters but in the long run we need to understand how the market will grow and how it will work, we don't need to focus too much to the result because without the right TA or FA we can't get the profit that we will wanted. Different people uses different methods and strategies, if we have an extra money paying for a tutorial is good too.

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

Definitely old strategy might work again in future, you can't be using one particular pattern forever, so whenever you are trading, you have to make sure you keep on trying new strategies, you don't just rely on just one strategy when trading, always go on research to discover new ones and you can also try the once you have used before, they might endup working for you again, because you have once used a trading strategy those not mean you shouldn't try it again, but am not saying if you try it again it will work for you, it might not work for you after trying it.

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Strategy works on fixed things. But to be honest trading is not predictable. Now if you here apply the same old tricks, then definitely no one can save you from getting losses. No strategy works the second time, and trading is the real life example for this. You should be adaptive, that is, you should trade according to the market conditions. If you overlook the market stats and keep on trading usually, then the chances of getting losses will increase. Trade cautiously as hard earned money is at stake. At last trade with the amount that you can afford to lose. This can be the best and safest strategy .

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

Trading doesn't have old strategies and new strategies, the fact is that when you are trading frequently you understand the factors that hinders you during the process, so when you have understand the loopholes that leads you into failure in trading and try to avoiding them it looks like you have a acquire new style or strategies of escaping lost in trading, the major thing we don't understand is that practice make perfect, and its very obvious in trading.

Good point. In addition to that, you should adopt yourself in every new situation. That’s why the strategy always changes depending on the market condition, it means each one can be useful and effective in a short period and few conditions. In opinion, it is really essential to start with analyzing the market before trading. Also, reading cryptocurrency charts is important too. Plus, it is always better to create your own strategies instead of following traders especially if you are able or capable to. Some newbies hire private experts in trading, and give them % of profits like 10-15% depending of the budget. Maybe that’s the easiest way to gain money with less effort in trading field.

Unfortunately, there is a plenty of beginners who make wrong decisions without even knowing the basics of trading. They losing money because of greediness and lack of knowledge. You should take your time by reading and learning this field before even starting. That’s how it works. Step by step until your reach your goal.

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

If the surrounding situation is right compared to the strategy then yes definitely the old strategy can be useful in trading. But most of the time strategy has to be changed with time interval because world economy is not go through the same all the time or whole market condition is not same as it is not stable so strategy has to be changed with time. So I think it's never wise to sleep on a strategy, it's a smart trader's job to analyze the need over time or stay active.

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Quote from: Bananington on March 20, 2023, 02:51:32 PM

Thinking about how trading strategies need to always be changed and how one strategy may not work for a long time, what do you do with the strategy that you are about to change. do you just forget about it completely once a new strategy starts working for you? or do you keep it in remembrance for the future. If you have experienced this before; has any old trading strategy that you decided to apply work for you? Is it possible that old strategies may work in the future again?

OP, what you have said is more to be looked into. Old strategies are ok to use but you know as time goes on, new development and technology emanate which calls for upgrade. You upgrading means you discovering new more strategy but however discovering new strategy does not mean you neglecting your old one you can combine both then apply it to a trade which seems difficult for you or you use the knowledge gained from that old trading to make your way through the complexity of any trade you find yourself in.
The idea of studying a market trend is very much important as well as stated by a member while commenting on this topic that would give you a guideline on how to enter the market and also know the exact trading technique you will implore to scale through in that trade.
So In essence, no trading knowledge or idea is a waste. You can combine them in achieving a positive result while trading.

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Everyday in trading world, new strategies emergies and old strategies are still in use.
The adoption of new strategies are sometimes reformation of the old one. Despite the adoption of new strategies, the old one will still be there because it will still be working.
Old strategy will always work in future. The changes in the market requires change in strategy. Understanding these changes and apply them when needed at the monent will help your trading a lot.

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this is just my opinion, I think this strategy will probably be useful in the future because the market is like a recurring obstacle course, so if you have a different path you can try another strategy, then when you return to the old path then the strategy will work again .
if it is exactly the same as what you tell,market conditions will continue to repeatedly rise and fall, but will continue to rise in the long term.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on March 29, 2023, 11:46:10 AM

The question of if or if not an old trading strategy can work again depends on if the strategy is outdated or not, not whether it is old.

If the strategy is outdated due to a better, more accurate strategy existing or because the strategy does not work for modern times, then obviously it is better to avoid it and go with something better. But again, in order to find that out you have to understand the fundamental workings of said strategy. Some of them are completely timeless while others have gone completely extinct since the age of the internet.

But this topic has gotten me thinking...I would love to go through some ancient trading strategies, perhaps I can find resurrect a hidden gem?

Old fashioned strategies still work,but it all depends on how it is been used.If the need for an old strategy is required in order for a successful trading,then one needs to use it to get what is wanted.There are different strategies or approaches that are used while trading,some persons stig to their old stategy which still works for them nomatter the time that has passed,while some persons switch from their former strategy to a more working strategy,all are used in order to get a positive result.
I still use the strategy I have been using for a long period of time because it is still working for me,and I'm not ready to change it,because when last I changed strategy,it didn't give me a positive result as I wanted.

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Quote from: freedomgo on March 27, 2023, 10:40:35 AM

Well, there are even cases that old strategies are even highly effective than the new ones. So it does not matter actually if you use the old or the new one, as long as it fits the current market condition, trading will be successful. However, most of the strategies don’t last forever. That’s why we have to check often the effectivity of such strategy and just discard those that are no longer working and take advantage with those that are still highly effective.

A strategy basically depends on how the market behaves at a certain time, so if the market isn't behaving differently even today after a month or a quarter then the old strategy would probably still work, but if markets start to behave differently over the course, there will surely be a need of making some changes in the strategy or sometimes it may even change entirely.

Old strategies can still be useful even if there are new strategies being used as they will probably have some basic stuff that is still the same and if you have learned them, they can help you with the new strategy that you are going to adapt.

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The old strategy is work but not always in fact there is no strategy or indicator that always work Is impossible to predict the market.

and other fact usually pine script programming or mt4 programmer is code by combining multiple trade indicator to made a new one.

So yeah we need to be people who know the future to made strategy accurately 100% works

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Because there is one truth, if it will go up, then it should show it will go up, obviously some shocking news could change that in a minute, but unless that happens it should be as obvious as it gets most of the time.

It is technically good, but fundamentally negative then the technical will fail. I understand this since I started trading precisely in 2015. So basically at the moment there are only two strategies that apply in the trading market. That is technical and fundamental and still plus mental management. That combination is an old way that I still use today. Although it does need adjustment to current market conditions. But indeed everyone has their own way that is adapted to comfort and that is what differentiates.

Strategies won't last and will not exist until now if it isn't effective. It only depends on how we apply it and how we deal with the volatility of the market. Both technical and fundamental analyses are needed for us to make concrete decisions when trading. I think the best strategy or edge that we can have when trading is knowledge of what we are doing and managing the risks. Lack of knowledge especially about the basics will surely lead us to losses despite applying the most recent or latest strategies that we know.

There's no such thing about a fixed strategy that would work for long term or would really be working permanently.We would really be definitely be able to realize this on the time we had stepped our foot

into this market.You would be working and trying out to make different strategies as much as you could considering that market could change up from time to time on which it would really be just that

right that you would be making up other combinations and tools which it would really be able to read up a certain price condition or do make out patterns.We know that
TA's arent that precise to make use but it is better rather than having none at all.

While no strategy wins all the time and you can still encounter some short term losses, make no mistake, the whole point of using a specific strategy is because you have through your research find out that your strategy works over the long term, and the only way to do this is to test it out against different market conditions and markets, a research which will show that your strategy does indeed work over long periods of time and it is worth using, and if you find the opposite then that is a strategy not worth implementing and you should keep looking for it.

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