Can One's Religion Compel A Compulsive Gambler To Quit Gambling

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Quote from: DanWalker on June 17, 2023, 05:04:33 PM

Religious beliefs and teachings can shape a person's character and influence their behavior. It is a common religious principle that resources, including money, should be used responsibly and mindfully, and principles such as self-control, moderation, and management are emphasized in many religious traditions. Excessive gambling and impulsive tendencies can be deterred by these teachings.

Although gambling may conflict with religious beliefs, people with religious beliefs can still participate in it. It may be due to misinterpretation of religious teachings, weaknesses, or not adhering to religious principles.

If so, people need to understand the teachings of their religion better so that they can follow the truth brought by their religion and not gamble because it is forbidden in their religion. If that person has strong religious beliefs, he will not be tempted by anything forbidden by his religion. But unfortunately, there are still many people who are easily tempted by many things that are prohibited by their religion so they still gamble to this day.

Playing gambling will depend on each person and those who will decide. And if someone really wants to stop gambling and go deeper into his religion, he has to follow his heart. And this can be a journey that will never stop because he has to suppress the desire to gamble that will probably always be in him.

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Quote from: o48o on June 17, 2023, 03:51:03 AM

Quote from: tusandii on June 17, 2023, 02:18:40 AM

Anyone will gamble secretly and secretly, they don't even want family members, relatives, or even fellow believers to know about the gambling activities that are being carried out.
This is a natural thing considering that there are also many gamblers who really want to be anonymous in gambling.
Apart from the religious prohibition, gambling is also badly viewed in social life.

In the neighborhood where I live, anyone who gambles is branded as a bad person and is not respected at all. Cheesy

Spot on. Shame doesn't need religion to fuel it but it helps. I think it's frowned upon no matter where you live, especially if you are doing it a lot. Which is weird. In finland it means you are contributing to lots of charities as well when you gamble. So it should be viewed as a public service to put your money in.

I guess people see the generic gambler as irresponsible, even if they don't know anything about their lives. And i am guessing there's a bit of jealousity when gamblers win and because gamblers dare to live more on the edge, while non-gamblers deny that from themselves. So they are easy bunch to hate or pity. I still see haters as a minority as most people know you can gamble while not being an addict or irresponsible.

I don't know what actually happened but it was a choice and he must be able to accept all the risks of having a social life or being a religious follower.
Maybe if I lived in Finland I would never do such a thing and prefer to live a normal life without gambling.

I didn't know that but what is clear is not only where I live but some other places it must be the same that some people who don't like gambling will find it bad.

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Quote from: slapper on June 17, 2023, 04:27:43 PM

Quote from: Woodie on June 17, 2023, 04:41:21 AM

For starters Religion has nothing to do with gambling and should be removed from the conversation.
Secondly, what makes a compulsive gambler compulsive is not religion but one's personal character or perhaps one's love for material stuff and the alike and simply put lack of control leads to compulsive behavior !
Bte If we are going to say religion here, then we are saying religion teaches all its followers to be compulsive by nature which is false, Religion borders around the element of peace and love and these can not make you compulsive.

Sure, it feels like religion and gambling are polar opposites! Your insight about character shaping obsession is apt. But, doesn't belief mold our character as well? I think that religion doesn't automatically lead to obsession. Yet, religion, through its ethics, can manage behavior. Could lack of such guidance result in impulsive tendencies?
Consider religious folks who gamble. Perhaps they've misconstrued their teachings or their traits outweigh their beliefs. It's complicated, so we shouldn't rule out religion

Religious beliefs and teachings can shape a person's character and influence their behavior. It is a common religious principle that resources, including money, should be used responsibly and mindfully, and principles such as self-control, moderation, and management are emphasized in many religious traditions. Excessive gambling and impulsive tendencies can be deterred by these teachings.

Although gambling may conflict with religious beliefs, people with religious beliefs can still participate in it. It may be due to misinterpretation of religious teachings, weaknesses, or not adhering to religious principles.

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Quote from: Woodie on June 17, 2023, 04:41:21 AM

For starters Religion has nothing to do with gambling and should be removed from the conversation.

Secondly, what makes a compulsive gambler compulsive is not religion but one's personal character or perhaps one's love for material stuff and the alike and simply put lack of control leads to compulsive behavior !
Bte If we are going to say religion here, then we are saying religion teaches all its followers to be compulsive by nature which is false, Religion borders around the element of peace and love and these can not make you compulsive.

Sure, it feels like religion and gambling are polar opposites! Your insight about character shaping obsession is apt. But, doesn't belief mold our character as well? I think that religion doesn't automatically lead to obsession. Yet, religion, through its ethics, can manage behavior. Could lack of such guidance result in impulsive tendencies?

Consider religious folks who gamble. Perhaps they've misconstrued their teachings or their traits outweigh their beliefs. It's complicated, so we shouldn't rule out religion

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Quote from: xSkylarx on June 17, 2023, 01:01:59 AM

This really depends on the person, but mostly if the person's reason for converting to another religion is very personal and for his belief, for sure he can quit gambling on it as it has a spiritual effect on him as well as his belief, but again, there are still others who will play secretly.

If am looking from your perspective, you might be right, if a person convert to another religion, he won't really want to go against what the religion is against, but it might also be just temporary, with time if the person is really a addicted gambler he might end up going back to gambling, even if he will be doing it privately so that people won't know he is gambling. I think that's what most people are doing now, they are gambling secretly so that no one will know they are gambler.

Quote from: xSkylarx on June 17, 2023, 01:01:59 AM

I do have a lot of friends who believe gambling, drinking alcoholic drinks, and eating pig is a sin for them, but they still do it anyway, but secretly. I also have friends who really don't do it at all. But the chances really are high for those who quit gambling due to a belief or other reason.

All of those things which you mentioned is against my relegion, but people still do it. It's easier to be caught when drinking alcohol compare to when gambling, when you are drunk you might endup misbehaving, which will make people notice easily that you are drunk. But as a gamber, you can be gambling secretly and nobody will know you are gambling only if you expose yourself.

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Quote from: Negotiation on June 17, 2023, 08:31:40 AM

When gambling consumes a person's thoughts actions and behaviors silently when even after repeated attempts one cannot refrain from that act. But if he loves and believes in religion, he can make a gambler give up gambling. Because there are many religions where gambling is forbidden. But it usually depends on the individual. And if there is an addiction to gambling then the trend of online gambling is very high nowadays. It can be played at home with your mobile. But before that learn about gambling then move on social economic impacts horrible economic losses are caused by gambling.

In religious teachings or principles, gambling is often discouraged or prohibited, as it is considered potentially addictive and harmful to individuals and society. Teachings like these can serve as moral guides and may encourage individuals to quit gambling or obtain addiction treatment.

While practicing a religion can lead to giving up gambling or getting rid of an addiction, it's important to remember that not everyone does. You or someone you know who struggles with gambling addiction should seek professional help from addiction counselors. To overcome an addiction and address its social and economic consequences, they can provide rehabilitation.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 17, 2023, 11:29:20 AM

Quote from: robelneo on June 16, 2023, 03:50:34 AM

I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?

It depends on he convinced himself to accept a religion or he was forced by someone to accept the religion.

In most cases if they convince themselves to accept a religion then it's high chances that they will follow all the teachings and most religions are against addiction which may help him to get back on track.

But it's too hard to happen in that way and if they were forced to accept it then we can't see any changes in their practices anyway. So addiction will not go away unless the person himself realise the bad things involved in it.

I agree with you that all of this depends on the beliefs of each gambler.
If a gambler has faith with the religion that he has now I think it is not very difficult to cure addiction but if not it will be very difficult.
Even if someone who is addicted to gambling, of course, forgets everything and all that is in his mind is gambling and betting so they don't have time to remember the rules of the religion that he follows and for the gambler religion is just a formality.
So for me religion will only be able to help gamblers who are already aware of the bad things about gambling and have a full desire to recover.

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Quote from: Negotiation on June 17, 2023, 08:31:40 AM

When gambling consumes a person's thoughts actions and behaviors silently when even after repeated attempts one cannot refrain from that act. But if he loves and believes in religion, he can make a gambler give up gambling. Because there are many religions where gambling is forbidden. But it usually depends on the individual. And if there is an addiction to gambling then the trend of online gambling is very high nowadays. It can be played at home with your mobile. But before that learn about gambling then move on social economic impacts horrible economic losses are caused by gambling.

Many people violate the rules of their religion and even leave their religion because they are too busy playing gambling, that is why it is difficult for certain religions to awaken these addicts, all of them return to themselves, the more they distance themselves from religion, the further their minds will want to stop gambling, because if they get closer to religion they will surely stay away from that gambling.

I understand some of the prohibitions in certain religions, that's why sometimes people need to get closer to their religion, then they will realize and stay away from gambling, God's love will definitely be with people who want to stop gambling and draw closer to their religion. Wink

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Quote from: robelneo on June 16, 2023, 03:50:34 AM

I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?

It depends on he convinced himself to accept a religion or he was forced by someone to accept the religion.

In most cases if they convince themselves to accept a religion then it's high chances that they will follow all the teachings and most religions are against addiction which may help him to get back on track.

But it's too hard to happen in that way and if they were forced to accept it then we can't see any changes in their practices anyway. So addiction will not go away unless the person himself realise the bad things involved in it.

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When gambling consumes a person's thoughts actions and behaviors silently when even after repeated attempts one cannot refrain from that act. But if he loves and believes in religion, he can make a gambler give up gambling. Because there are many religions where gambling is forbidden. But it usually depends on the individual. And if there is an addiction to gambling then the trend of online gambling is very high nowadays. It can be played at home with your mobile. But before that learn about gambling then move on social economic impacts horrible economic losses are caused by gambling.

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Quote from: Stable090 on June 17, 2023, 07:15:50 AM

Gambling have been made very easy now, with the help of your mobile phone and internet connection, we can all gamble it’s not necessary you visit any casino house before you can gamble, in the process of visiting casino house, people will see you and you will be exposed that you are a gambler, but when you gamble with your mobile devices, if you don’t inform anyone that you are gambling, no one will know about it, gambling have been made very easy now and their are lots of online gambling.

of course we should play all the gambling games with which we are familiar. So we should not go to play those games where we have no experience as it may lead to financial loss. now that gambling is possible at home with just a smartphone, Internet connection and digital currencies like Bitcoin, Ethereum, TRX, USDT, people's attraction towards it is increasing day by day and the number of gambling addicts is increasing day by day.

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Quote from: robelneo on June 16, 2023, 03:50:34 AM

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

A religion can’t force anyone to stop gambling only if the person is having the intention to stop gambling, most religions are against gambling and as we can see lots of people are still gambling, those people gambling belongs to one religion, one of the religion that I know is strictly against gambling is Islam, but their are still lots of Muslims that still gamble because I also gamble.

Quote from: robelneo on June 16, 2023, 03:50:34 AM

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?

Gambling have been made very easy now, with the help of your mobile phone and internet connection, we can all gamble it’s not necessary you visit any casino house before you can gamble, in the process of visiting casino house, people will see you and you will be exposed that you are a gambler, but when you gamble with your mobile devices, if you don’t inform anyone that you are gambling, no one will know about it, gambling have been made very easy now and their are lots of online gambling.

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Quote from: robelneo on June 16, 2023, 03:50:34 AM

I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?

I should not talk about religion here, but I am saying it anyway. Religion often helps keep people away from gambling as we know Islam does not support gambling as halal. So people of Islamic faith think twice before going to gamble and many try to stay away from gambling. and I don't know if gambling is allowed in religions other than Islam but people in today's modern world are becoming addicted to gambling without thinking about religion. So even though religion opposes gambling, people are forgetting religion and moving towards gambling and the amount is increasing day by day.

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Quote from: Woodie on June 17, 2023, 04:41:21 AM

For starters Religion has nothing to do with gambling and should be removed from the conversation.

Secondly, what makes a compulsive gambler compulsive is not religion but one's personal character or perhaps one's love for material stuff and the alike and simply put lack of control leads to compulsive behavior !
Bte If we are going to say religion here, then we are saying religion teaches all its followers to be compulsive by nature which is false, Religion borders around the element of peace and love and these can not make you compulsive.

I think that you missed what OP tried to say, Woodie.
OP is talking about a situation where someone who suffers from problem gambling or gambling addiction could find the help needed by focusing more in their own spirituality rather than continuing to partake in casinos and game houses.

I personally think that it is possible religion could help people to straighten their life to a certain degree, but it is also important to seek for professional help whenever possible, in the case of the religion a follow; it encourages the seeking of professional help.

Again, it is a very personal thing, it depends on each one of us...

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a religion can help someone really avoid addiction and gambling if that person really understands the teachings of that religion.
I won't say what religion it is, but I realized that if an addict understood everything the religion taught him, he would feel very guilty and would actually avoid gambling forever.
but this is no guarantee that one can avoid gambling addiction if they convert to a certain religion by force and continue to gamble secretly.

but at least some religions can help gambling addicts a little to really stop addiction.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on June 17, 2023, 01:01:59 AM

This really depends on the person, but mostly if the person's reason for converting to another religion is very personal and for his belief, for sure he can quit gambling on it as it has a spiritual effect on him as well as his belief, but again, there are still others who will play secretly. I do have a lot of friends who believe gambling, drinking alcoholic drinks, and eating pig is a sin for them, but they still do it anyway, but secretly. I also have friends who really don't do it at all. But the chances really are high for those who quit gambling due to a belief or other reason.

Since the OP is making the point from a religious view, no argument is relevant in this perspective. But what is true is that it will totally depend on the individual. It would be better if gambler could stay away from gambling keeping religious view but it would be depend on entirely up to him. Many people conduct gambling even knowing about religion, but it is hidden. There are even news that clerics of various religions conduct gambling behind the scenes which never come to light. Because they know that people will look at them negatively if they know the fact.

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Quote from: robelneo on June 16, 2023, 03:50:34 AM

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

The influence of the religion can totally change your perspective about gambling and if you’re serious with that Religion, you’ll follow it and later on you’ll get used to it. Most of the Religion believes that Gambling is not ok though many are still not following it. The chance to quit gambling just because of Religion is 50/50, some Religion are not that strict. Compulsive gambler is still not an addict gambler, there’s still a big chance for him to quit gambling and with a help of Religion and his activities to that Religion, he can easily stop gambling.

Some religion has zero tolerance for gambling once you are a convert you are expected to adhere to the tenet of their teachings, they kicked against gambling because some believe that the money won by a gambler was lost by another gamblers somewhere which might had hurt that person, while some religion might preach against gambling but kick against addiction i.e moderation in thing they embark on, personally I think participation in gambling is an individual decision, however the most important issue is avoid gambling addiction that might have a devastating effect on the personality of the gambler if possible gamble for fun.

Those newly converted on their religion cannot do anything but to follow what their religion dictate to them. But for old dudes who alread been there for long time I doubt they stop just because of religion reasons. For sure they still gamble and just hide this to the public.

Online gambling is gaining so much fame si for sure this will be their another option since they can play at home hiding to anyone who can see this.

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Quote from: goaldigger on June 16, 2023, 04:54:14 PM

Quote from: robelneo on June 16, 2023, 03:50:34 AM

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

The influence of the religion can totally change your perspective about gambling and if you’re serious with that Religion, you’ll follow it and later on you’ll get used to it. Most of the Religion believes that Gambling is not ok though many are still not following it. The chance to quit gambling just because of Religion is 50/50, some Religion are not that strict. Compulsive gambler is still not an addict gambler, there’s still a big chance for him to quit gambling and with a help of Religion and his activities to that Religion, he can easily stop gambling.

Some religion has zero tolerance for gambling once you are a convert you are expected to adhere to the tenet of their teachings, they kicked against gambling because some believe that the money won by a gambler was lost by another gamblers somewhere which might had hurt that person, while some religion might preach against gambling but kick against addiction i.e moderation in thing they embark on, personally I think participation in gambling is an individual decision, however the most important issue is avoid gambling addiction that might have a devastating effect on the personality of the gambler if possible gamble for fun.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on June 17, 2023, 01:01:59 AM

This really depends on the person, but mostly if the person's reason for converting to another religion is very personal and for his belief, for sure he can quit gambling on it as it has a spiritual effect on him as well as his belief, but again, there are still others who will play secretly. I do have a lot of friends who believe gambling, drinking alcoholic drinks, and eating pig is a sin for them, but they still do it anyway, but secretly. I also have friends who really don't do it at all. But the chances really are high for those who quit gambling due to a belief or other reason.

Any gambler willing to turn on and change because of his new religion has to do that because he's willing to change and not because he's being compelled to change as a condition attached to his new religion, if he's truly determined to take this new lifestyle he has to adapt to change, this first comes with leaving down some personal immoralities he does such as smoking and drinking, avoid gambling and keep distance from anything that could facilitate gambling, remain committed to what he's doing and be truthful in all ways.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on June 17, 2023, 01:01:59 AM

This really depends on the person, but mostly if the person's reason for converting to another religion is very personal and for his belief, for sure he can quit gambling on it as it has a spiritual effect on him as well as his belief, but again, there are still others who will play secretly. I do have a lot of friends who believe gambling, drinking alcoholic drinks, and eating pig is a sin for them, but they still do it anyway, but secretly. I also have friends who really don't do it at all. But the chances really are high for those who quit gambling due to a belief or other reason.

Religion is more on brainwashing, while the person opens himself to all the doctrines of the religion, this vulnerability of the person is taken advantage of by the religion by inputting doctrines and ideas. So if the brainwashing is successful, the person will follow the doctrine of the religion and possibly stop all his gambling activities. But if the person has high resistance to this kind of brainwashing then he will always go back to his past activities such as gambling.

They often trigger this brainwashing by triggering the need of the person to be saved in the coming "judgment". Then they tap the person's emotions, and psychology, and implant the needs to do in order to be saved.

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