Can online platforms like Youtube and Facebook really be decentralized? - page 2.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on November 26, 2019, 10:32:56 AM

Youtube has been unprofitable since its inception and only recently it started to break even, so the Youtube that we know was indeed only possible due to centralization and Google being a giant corporation. A decentralized tube would most likely be in some ways worse than Youtube, but it would also be more free.

It is true Youtube did not have an advertisement model in the beginning and they needed a big firm like google to make things different and make it a profitable company and even then it took years to make good profit, they were getting visitors but to turn that into money it took a while and if it was a decentralized platform i doubt it will continue for a long time without a strong business model.

there is a crypto project that has a concept like youtube, but we are paid with tokens when making videos, upvotes, and shares,
the project is Tokentuber, if youtube does the same, i am sure it will be better than them following Google's footsteps

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Quote from: stompix on November 26, 2019, 08:16:48 AM

Yeah, it works with new stuff..till it won't work anymore:P
Torrenting is the technical solution but what it lacks is an organisation from the seeders.
You want to download Jurassic park, you can do it even now, there are hundreds of seeders, you want to download an episode from live pd two seasons ago? Good luck I have my seedbox opened for two months and still haven't managed to come across a peer with the full file.

So, you will need to have some sort of distribution model, where at any time a file is available and the upload speed from the peers is enough.
And you can make this possible only ...with a central node, that knows at any time where and if the files are available. Tongue

. So, goodbye decentralization.

Smaller content creators would have to seed their own videos. Also, I remember some shitcoin wanted to integrate itself with torrents to incentivize seeding - I don't know what came out of it, but maybe in the future it could be done with Lightning Network.

Youtube has been unprofitable since its inception and only recently it started to break even, so the Youtube that we know was indeed only possible due to centralization and Google being a giant corporation. A decentralized tube would most likely be in some ways worse than Youtube, but it would also be more free.

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Quote from: CRYPTORALF on November 20, 2019, 04:05:49 PM

I started to learn about crypto two months ago. Bitcoin, Monero, Ethereum etc. make total sense to me.

I can't, however, understand why it would make sense to decentralize large online platforms like Youtube and Facebook. Or let's say: I don't understand how this could work.

Bitcoin has a decentralized ledger where all transactions are stored. How would that ledger look for a decentralized Youtube or Facebook?

Or am I missing something? Does decentralization mean something different in this regard?

Thank you!

PS: I'm asking because I again and again read headlines that say something along the line of "everything will be decentralized".

Only cryptocurrency by the help of blockchain technology can make decentralisation true. The transparency that blockchain aims to achieve will not be done by these two giant platforms. Remember, facebook and youtube are giant social media tech and they need to centralize everything so that the control is upon them. If they will make it decentralised, rules will never be set and conflicts might arise.

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Quote from: Aaroenz0r on November 26, 2019, 04:41:24 AM

In my opinion decentralization is one of the platforms organized to transact directly and there are no rules there. For example, exchange platforms in the US such as Nasdaq are decentralized and they do not have a rule about the liquidity or the price of stocks traded by businesses in a day.

Oh my god, where do you people come from?
Nasdaq is decentralized and it has no rules!

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on November 21, 2019, 04:34:24 PM

Youtube isn't hard, it can be done via good old torrenting - you already can stream videos on some sites this way. Of course it won't be 100% like Youtube, since you can't take down your videos once they are there, but we can just call it a feature.

Yeah, it works with new stuff..till it won't work anymore:P
Torrenting is the technical solution but what it lacks is an organisation from the seeders.
You want to download Jurassic park, you can do it even now, there are hundreds of seeders, you want to download an episode from live pd two seasons ago? Good luck I have my seedbox opened for two months and still haven't managed to come across a peer with the full file.

So, you will need to have some sort of distribution model, where at any time a file is available and the upload speed from the peers is enough.
And you can make this possible only ...with a central node, that knows at any time where and if the files are available. Tongue

. So, goodbye decentralization.

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Quote from: CRYPTORALF on November 20, 2019, 04:05:49 PM

I started to learn about crypto two months ago. Bitcoin, Monero, Ethereum etc. make total sense to me.

I can't, however, understand why it would make sense to decentralize large online platforms like Youtube and Facebook. Or let's say: I don't understand how this could work.

Bitcoin has a decentralized ledger where all transactions are stored. How would that ledger look for a decentralized Youtube or Facebook?

Or am I missing something? Does decentralization mean something different in this regard?

Thank you!

PS: I'm asking because I again and again read headlines that say something along the line of "everything will be decentralized".

I think I and you have the opposite of the theory of decentralization. In my opinion decentralization is one of the platforms organized to transact directly and there are no rules there. For example, exchange platforms in the US such as Nasdaq are decentralized and they do not have a rule about the liquidity or the price of stocks traded by businesses in a day. In general, all is free.
And for YouTube and Facebook, there are rules and are controlled by the people who created it. It has its rules and if you don't comply then you lose your account.

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I think that such decentralized platforms can work on technology close to torrent technology. In addition to the lack of censorship, such platforms can be attractive in that no one will be able to delete your content, channel or video. I think in the future we will be able to see a full-fledged decentralized video platform and peer-to-peer social network that can compete with existing flagships in this industry.

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Quote from: cutesgirl on November 25, 2019, 05:30:54 PM

Youtube and Facebook both media social platform where they not available for investing, both of them just an entertainment and not decentralized for investing like bitcoin and altcoin, but Youtube and Facebook are giving best solution how to promote and make bitcoin become popular in the world by giving opinion about how using bitcoin as currency payment and investing way.

Yeah but you can still earn through those sites by getting your channel monetized. The more famous you are, the more you can get likes, views and comments thus more money in return due to the high traffic you create (which is a better place for advertising).

Anyway, I don't think Youtube will attempt the decentralization simply because FB somehow "failed" in their attempt of creating their own digital asset (though backed with fiat Grin

). So I think much better for them if they solely remain as big social media companies, they're already good in that field.

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The answer is no. Facebook is so centralized that in the current scenario is buying all competitors to set up a monopoly.

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Quote from: Nhor1011 on November 25, 2019, 01:33:54 PM

I think it will never happen that Youtube and Facebook become decentralized because it is an organization managed by a group people. They have rules and regulation to be follow. Also become decentralize of everything is not good because decentralization has a both good and bad effects to us and to our government.

Youtube and Facebook both media social platform where they not available for investing, both of them just an entertainment and not decentralized for investing like bitcoin and altcoin, but Youtube and Facebook are giving best solution how to promote and make bitcoin become popular in the world by giving opinion about how using bitcoin as currency payment and investing way.

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Quote from: CRYPTORALF on November 20, 2019, 04:05:49 PM

I started to learn about crypto two months ago. Bitcoin, Monero, Ethereum etc. make total sense to me.

I can't, however, understand why it would make sense to decentralize large online platforms like Youtube and Facebook. Or let's say: I don't understand how this could work.

Bitcoin has a decentralized ledger where all transactions are stored. How would that ledger look for a decentralized Youtube or Facebook?

Or am I missing something? Does decentralization mean something different in this regard?

Thank you!

PS: I'm asking because I again and again read headlines that say something along the line of "everything will be decentralized".

I will try to answer Your question.YouTube as a service does not need to be decentralized. But the traffic with which the content is broadcast can really be decentralized.The technology by which this can be implemented is described on this site:https://noia.network/

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Quote from: CRYPTORALF on November 20, 2019, 04:05:49 PM

I started to learn about crypto two months ago. Bitcoin, Monero, Ethereum etc. make total sense to me.

I can't, however, understand why it would make sense to decentralize large online platforms like Youtube and Facebook. Or let's say: I don't understand how this could work.

Bitcoin has a decentralized ledger where all transactions are stored. How would that ledger look for a decentralized Youtube or Facebook?

Or am I missing something? Does decentralization mean something different in this regard?

Thank you!

PS: I'm asking because I again and again read headlines that say something along the line of "everything will be decentralized".

to answer your question.

Facebook esp n youtube has special teams in place and special algorithms to censor information they dont like from public view.

Decentralized network would mean they cannot censor any information as everything is decentralized and in the public's hand.

Ofcourse I know many people in the world would kill to make sure decentralization alternatives of facebook n google dont manifest.

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Its not a question of can anymore.

They can they should and they will.

The corporate and illumens use google & fbook to further their mass mind control agenda over humanity.

Control the flow of information and you literally control a person's reality.

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The decentralization simply means not restricted to certain region or group to be in total charge. It is opened to many other hands without discrimination.youtube and facebook operation is decentralized but is under the control of certain groups. Although, anyone can make some ways from their advertisement.nothing should stop both from been decentralized too as long as it will not bring negative effect.

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I think it will never happen that Youtube and Facebook become decentralized because it is an organization managed by a group people. They have rules and regulation to be follow. Also become decentralize of everything is not good because decentralization has a both good and bad effects to us and to our government.

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Quote from: Kevondo on November 25, 2019, 07:54:58 AM

Quote from: uray on November 24, 2019, 12:00:47 PM

Quote from: alani123 on November 24, 2019, 11:13:37 AM

If somebody wants to watch free content online, then contributing some bandwidth could be an option.

It could be an option moving forward when some application comes up with a p2p model and bittorrent is trying for a similar model and if they are able to fulfill that then it would be a great success, the original team tried the p2p streaming model but they did not succeed completely and now and different team is working towards the goal, lets see how that goes.

@OP youtube and facebook as a centralized company will be making use of the decentralized network to power their servers and services round the clock but do not expect them to change their financial model .

This will happen soon because what a man can think, he can achieve too and once this happens, things will change for p2p lovers. With Facebook and YouTube, the decentralized world is their opposite. Moreover, they wont implement such a thing for their servers. It has some risk involved certainly. These companies cannot survive without keeping track of every single event that happens in their vicinity.

I dont think that is gonna happen, we know that these two social media platform has an organization or group of people who are managing that particular platform, so it is not possible for them to be decentralized. If that happens, it is not good, no one can regulate everything especially data that are coming, we know that facebook is known or famous and used also by children, what if there are malicious data that are being uploaded, no one can really delete that. That is why regulation in some platforms is good giving some laws that we have to obey to keep formality.

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Quote from: uray on November 24, 2019, 12:00:47 PM

Quote from: alani123 on November 24, 2019, 11:13:37 AM

If somebody wants to watch free content online, then contributing some bandwidth could be an option.

It could be an option moving forward when some application comes up with a p2p model and bittorrent is trying for a similar model and if they are able to fulfill that then it would be a great success, the original team tried the p2p streaming model but they did not succeed completely and now and different team is working towards the goal, lets see how that goes.

@OP youtube and facebook as a centralized company will be making use of the decentralized network to power their servers and services round the clock but do not expect them to change their financial model .

This will happen soon because what a man can think, he can achieve too and once this happens, things will change for p2p lovers. With Facebook and YouTube, the decentralized world is their opposite. Moreover, they wont implement such a thing for their servers. It has some risk involved certainly. These companies cannot survive without keeping track of every single event that happens in their vicinity.

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I think this is theoretically possible, but difficult. In addition, not everyone wants to use such a service. These are large platforms that do not want to lose their good reputation, so it is unlikely that in the near future there will be any steps in this direction.

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only affects the reaction of the trust of users and shareholders, more matters relating to monetization will be the main obstacle. But for system changes it is still possible, like many other comments about p2p etc., But still this is not possible because they are real business products and have binding rules regarding limiting ideas from the use of alternative systems.

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Quote from: CRYPTORALF on November 20, 2019, 10:58:19 PM

thanks guys, but no reply really answers my question how this would look in detail Wink

I've checked all the post and your post so far you have not come back, to clarify if any of the answers suffice already suffice you, both social media have no hint to become a decentralized platform because they are successful on what they are doing, maybe in the future, this can change, once they faced a competitor that is using a decentralized platform, and this posed a big threat to their supremacy

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Quote from: magneto on November 25, 2019, 04:27:33 AM

Not entirely. But there are significant progress made in terms of striving towards decentralisation.

You look at projects such as Steemit, which used to be extremely hyped up and had actually a lot of quality content, but as soon as the money incentive dried up there is now a lack of users for the platform which is concerning.

Perhaps new innovations can come that solves this issue, but I doubt it'll be the near future. I think decentralisation of ideas is certainly a needed concept though.

The main problem of steem IMO is it lacks good content and users indexing, all the rating is uni dimentional, without proper indexing/category its very hard to find the content and users you can be interested in, and the rating is mixed with ROI for whales and it doesnt help.

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