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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 02:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think players is prohibited to this thing. I remembered one time this actually happens in an esport, a certain player who mistakenly announce that they are making bets in their own game and they gets a fine worth a couple of grand, though it is not too big but then we know that some games this rule is prohibited, and it will also affects on how they will behave and do the game. There's a money in the line, they lose focus to the game and they will going to focus in the money.

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You can't just get up and begin to pull a stunt like that on FIFA for obvious reasons lol... Otherwise, footballers would become the richest set of peeps we'd know (No, there aren't the richest... We still have alot of sportsman that live on a low profile but are much wealthier).
Secondly, gambling wouldn't be worth anything to make some profits from; cus we'll still have alot of benevolent footballers who will give out these games, free willingly -- maybe as giveaways or something -- to Thier fan base... So just imagine that 1 millions peeps wagered on one single odd and it cuts, do you know how much you've lost as a casino administrator? Funny though

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 02:47:50 PM

So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

I guess the most famous example would be Pete Rose, who is still banned from the Hall of Fame for gambling. A less well known example, or perhaps a conspiracy theory would be Michael Jordan. A lot of people believe that the NBA caught Michael Jordan betting on his Bulls games, which led to him receiving a silent suspension from the league as to not hurt their image or create drama with Nike. As a result of this alleged suspension, Michael famously left the NBA to pursue Major League Baseball for over a year before coming back to basketball to win 3 more championships.

Do you think Michael Jordan was suspended from the NBA for gambling?

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 12, 2023, 06:32:38 PM

I think there is a unwritten rule that players can't bet on their own game, but hey some of them are gamblers too, so you don't expect them to bet specially that they are the one who are involved. They can simply asked someone close to bet for them, so they don't have to go to KYC.

But there are athletes who doesn't care, they will simply bet with their face and name, here is one example, and there could be others as well.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2017/08/27/floyd-mayweather-attempted-bet-himself-fight

According to several news sources that I read a few years ago.

The FA has tightened its no-gambling rules for English players. The Football Association, ruled that all English professional football players, are prohibited from participating in betting related to football throughout the world. although in fact, they can still bet on behalf of their colleagues or other people without the knowledge of the federation.

I don't know for other football federations, but it seems that the FA's policy has been followed by the European league federations. so this thing, does not apply in football. but after all, even a professional football athlete can still bet for his own team. these kinds of practices will always exist, they can use various methods without having to make a gamble by themselves. naughty players, can order friends, family or anyone as long as not on their own behalf. it's just that if proven caught, the FA will give him a fine. at least three players have been proven to have participated in betting and have been fined by the FA. former Spurs winger Andros Towndend, striker Cameron Jerome and Daniel Gosling all received varying fines. and this aligns, with the Op's question in this thread regarding football.

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No one can guarantee the outcome of a game until the match is over, whether he plays himself or someone else. But who can bet on his own game is his personal matter and many do it when he has more confidence in himself. But if one bets on his own game there is no guarantee that he will win and he also bets at risk. And this he takes as a kind of challenge. But I know players rarely do these. Because they are not very interested in gambling

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 02:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

For small event then player can bet their team especially in basketball and in small leagues but one thing I assure that pro players in a biggest tournament or leagues then the player itself not allowed to bet in their team but their family can bet. So in reality they can still bet if they want to they can use their friends to hold their money and bet for the team that they like nothing know for sure .

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 13, 2023, 08:59:30 AM

I think that any kind of betting on a negative outcome of your own team or yourself should be completely forbidden, fined, and that person should receive not only a financial punishment. But I see nothing bad in placing a bet on a positive outcome of your team or yourself. What could be wrong if your strongly believe in yourself, your team and bet on a win? That will only work as a motivational factor. That will be an extra reward. When an employee gets his work done perfectly, he might get an extra reward besides salary. Sport is athletes work, so why cant they be rewarded extra?

Agree with you that imperially a player can do it. He has the right to bet like everyone else. There is no problem if you bet with strong faith in your team. But you're guilty when that bet affects your personal game. Suppose you are a player yourself and you have bet a large amount in a game and you bet on behalf of lose the game. When you are on the field do you play to win or do you play to lose? When a gambler has high rewards he does not want his team to win in that situation. This is how betting affects a player. For which the involvement of the player in betting is found to be severely punished. Especially if there is a big tournament, there will be a special surveillance on the players.

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Quote from: len01 on January 12, 2023, 05:58:26 PM

this kind of thing often happens in my city when a soccer player bets on his own game and it has been happening for decades. and several times also often caught by gamblers when making transactions between the dealer and the players they are discussing mutual benefits. some gamblers don't accept that it's a manipulation scam but gamblers can't do anything because they have a lot of money from those profits to cover up their mistakes or cheating.
oddly enough, even though there is often such manipulation in my city, gamblers are still willing to bet on the game when it is obvious that players are betting on their own game.

(I tell land gambling)

In that matter, those who are still willing to bet even the there's obvious manipulation mostly addicted to gambling just per my opinion, why bother to bet even though you already know that it will be wrecked, not sure though if that's a practice and how it will be allowed by the people behind that sports, or maybe they are also part of it and with a huge amount of money that will be flowing they are just letting it to happen.

For the sake of money, everything can be done by those manipulators and players have a big part of it.

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well, although in the past there were many cases of this type, currently even in small leagues this type of cases has not been reported because the reason is quite simple: players receive salaries and goal bonuses, they have contracts, so they are not going to risk making a bet on yourself when you can't manipulate the game in your favor with a 100% success rate. for example, let's say a goalkeeper wants to manipulate the game, even if the goalkeeper lets them score goals on purpose he will have no guarantee that his team will not score too many goals to the opponent, and if he is letting them in goals on purpose it will be obvious that he lost his job

in today's world, coaches have access to a lot of technology to monitor the performance of their players before and after each game, and it is useless for a soccer or basketball player to try to manipulate the result of the game without being discovered and severely punished

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 13, 2023, 08:59:30 AM

I think that any kind of betting on a negative outcome of your own team or yourself should be completely forbidden, fined, and that person should receive not only a financial punishment. But I see nothing bad in placing a bet on a positive outcome of your team or yourself. What could be wrong if your strongly believe in yourself, your team and bet on a win? That will only work as a motivational factor. That will be an extra reward. When an employee gets his work done perfectly, he might get an extra reward besides salary. Sport is athletes work, so why cant they be rewarded extra?

I do really understand the point but Athletes is not allowed to bet for themselves based on the sports rule since they are still human and they might be tempted to cheat for there personal gain. I believe that athletes should be focus the sports alone and not on betting because they are being paid big time for doing it. There salary is already enough for them to find an extra income.

They are risking there career for a mere bet regardless if it’s for themselves or the foe since it’s not allowed by the sports commission.

https://bettinggods.com/faqs/can-athletes-bet-on-themselves/

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 12, 2023, 06:32:38 PM

I think there is a unwritten rule that players can't bet on their own game, but hey some of them are gamblers too, so you don't expect them to bet specially that they are the one who are involved. They can simply asked someone close to bet for them, so they don't have to go to KYC.

But there are athletes who doesn't care, they will simply bet with their face and name, here is one example, and there could be others as well.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2017/08/27/floyd-mayweather-attempted-bet-himself-fight

Very confident with his capabilities, but I'm on the side where it should not be allowed as he's a pro and the sport can be manipulated
if there's something behind him.

We can't guarantee that just because he bet on his own, then he will really aim for the win, chances that there's an inside job that
may take place still possible, if there's a huge amount that involves.

Expect that it can be manipulated. Better not to gamble on your own fight as a respect to the sport.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on January 12, 2023, 04:40:17 PM

As soon as a player plays with a bookmaker who has a KYC and knows which player this is, it will certainly be noticed. I'm also pretty sure it's stated in the terms and conditions that players are not allowed to bet on their own matches. ~

As OP wrote, It is still possible for a player to gamble if he creates an account with his freind's name and submit his friend's docs for KYC. No casino platform will know who is behind the account.

Quote from: Vaskiy on January 12, 2023, 04:49:39 PM

[...]Recently in an incident popular player was found spending on betting and he has been suspended from the team. It was really pity that what he might've won is very small compared to the amount he lost due to the suspension that lasts at least for a year.

I think one year ban is too short, instead, they should have banned that player for lifetime. This would have set an example among other players and they would have known that if they were found involved in gambling, they would also be banned for lifetime.

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I think that any kind of betting on a negative outcome of your own team or yourself should be completely forbidden, fined, and that person should receive not only a financial punishment. But I see nothing bad in placing a bet on a positive outcome of your team or yourself. What could be wrong if your strongly believe in yourself, your team and bet on a win? That will only work as a motivational factor. That will be an extra reward. When an employee gets his work done perfectly, he might get an extra reward besides salary. Sport is athletes work, so why cant they be rewarded extra?

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 02:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

Of course it's forbidden, there have been quite a few cases where players have been caught in match-fixing, it's a temptation that players can succumb to, it's happened before and will certainly happen in the future. But what's wrong with a fighter betting on their victory in a fight, or players betting money on their team? In this case, it definitely does not violate any rules, and on the contrary, it will motivate players to play even better, because if they lose, they risk losing their money.

I don't know if these bets are not prohibited, although it would be logical to ban players from any bets on the event in which they take part in order to avoid any temptations to break the law.

I think that most of these violations are in the types of competitions where only two athletes participate, martial arts, or tennis and the like. In this case, everything will be much easier to do.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 02:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.

I think I have not heard of it either especially that of fighting sports like boxing. This kind of best are usually serious in nature, the opponent always try to win and so would not bet and maybe there is a rule guiding against that to avoid manipulation and unseriousness on the fight. It is the spectators that bet on games like this and even soccer. I think a player in local match can bet to score a goal or two in a particular match but I don't know about the international football yet on that.

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Quote from: len01 on January 12, 2023, 05:58:26 PM

this kind of thing often happens in my city when a soccer player bets on his own game and it has been happening for decades. and several times also often caught by gamblers when making transactions between the dealer and the players they are discussing mutual benefits. some gamblers don't accept that it's a manipulation scam but gamblers can't do anything because they have a lot of money from those profits to cover up their mistakes or cheating.
oddly enough, even though there is often such manipulation in my city, gamblers are still willing to bet on the game when it is obvious that players are betting on their own game.

Match fixing has been identified as a common phenomenon. Because this manipulation is done in almost all types of games. Some manipulations are revealed and some are not. When a player sees that it is very easy to make money by fixing a match which is not possible to earn such amount of many playing the entire tournament. Then greedy gamblers tries to take part of the manipulation. One can betting on one's own game but that would be secretly. I deserve that these issues can never be eliminated. It is very difficult to know what is inside someone's mind. It is not happen specifically on your city but the same situation happen in every part of the world.

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Quote from: samcoin on January 12, 2023, 03:04:14 PM

This is possible in small leagues where players don't earn too much money, so they can bet on a certain event and make it happen, but for tier 1 leagues, I doubt a player could risk his name and career in order to earn some thousands of Dollars unless he is offered big deal with big sportsbook platform, for example to get a red or yellow card, I noted a lot of cases where players insist to get a yellow card, they were clear enough to think that these players were offered something.

Well that exactly what i could notice, some player in our national leagues of third devision and even second devision sometimes they manipulate matches like on weekly basis. We got use to these kind of fixed games so the richest club got to play in first degree and to do so you need to bribe players or the whole team and make them lose the match easily. So they even can bet on their match knowing the final results. And i think this fixing thing the loser part will be the casino?
Xd i don’t really like to see such cheating activities but seeing in our regions for example professional players they don’t get paid for 4 months or more and some players are in debt so if they do it they must have a reason to do it even if it’s forbidden and also unethical

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I'm just gonna pretend to have this as a serious discussion but, anyone shoulda known this already right?
Players don't bet on any games at all. Getting signed into the football family, under FIFA'S jurisdiction, there are certain etiquettes that anyone in there must abide on; for example - taking pearls before getting on the pitch -- anyone caught on that is quickly sentenced to jail without much reconsiderations.
Don't you think about the bad effects of anything at all? If you do, then you'll realize that sometimes, a player could even go as far as staking his expensive assets on a game that' he's prolly gonna play in too; thereby making deliberate mistakes in favor of the opponents (assuming he played that the opponent wins the match)...

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Quote from: Vaskiy on January 12, 2023, 04:49:39 PM

Each and every sports have got a ruling authority. According to the rules framed by these authorities it is against the rule to bet on their own games. Recently in an incident popular player was found spending on betting and he has been suspended from the team. It was really pity that what he might've won is very small compared to the amount he lost due to the suspension that lasts at least for a year.

Its impossible that they havent been able to realize those possible consequences once they get caught? or they do just simply make bets basing up on their interest and liking.
Because if you think up with your career and earning money then you wont really be risking out yourself on making bets considering that there are specified rules in this on regard.
It is really that becoming standard that players couldnt really bet with their own games which we know that it is really that subjective to be a rigged or fixed game
basing up on where those bets been placed on.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 02:47:50 PM

So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

I think this is much more common than we think.
These "illegal" bets can be made from the player's family to even people connected to the player's manager.

A recent case I heard about was Premier Legue player Xhaka.
In a game that took place at the end of 2021, when Arsenal beat Leeds 4-1. In the final minutes of the match, Xhaka purposely forced a foul and received a yellow card.
So far so good, nothing looked suspicious. However, the National Anti-Crime Agency discovered that shortly before Xhaka received the yellow card, a betting site had registered a £52,000 bet on the player's yellow card, which certainly motivated the start of the investigation.

They are saying that Xhaka may be involved with a mafia in Albania, the country of his parents.

These are just the cases that we know of, many others must still be "awake".

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