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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 07:14:25 PM

Well first i didn’t think this topic will get much attention here, thank you for your replies and answers. But to be specific i wanted like more of the games or matches where those player been caught and what was their punishment and who really found out about their bet

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So, in general, athletes are not allowed to bet on themselves. There are a few exceptions to these rules, especially when athletes find grey areas in the legislation and regulation processes. This is only valid for individual matches and sports, like boxing, MMA, or tennis

As for this exception i think it’s with the fighters where they bet against each other for big amounts of money and the winner takes it all it’s more known in boxing matches, but they can’t for bet on their loss because certainly it will be weird if both fighters do their best to lose the fight haha…

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If the player cannot bet for himself, he can ask his friend to place a bet on him so that he does not have to do anything that violates the rules.
So, there must be a player who told his friends to bet for that player so they could get more money.
And it wouldn't get him caught by the organizers or the authorities because there would be no evidence that he was betting on himself.

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Answering the title: If the question is only in the context of sports then it shouldn't be, sports matches make it possible to create winning scenarios. But in practice their bets can be represented by other people and it is common knowledge.

Anyway, I just remembered about this match about the blatant winning scenario, lol.

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Any sports wouldn't allow their players to bet their own game, but of course a small or local league is really easy to abuse it since the players aren't really professional and focus on money rather than their career, accepting few losses are okay for them. This is why I don't want to bet on local league because the security and audit aren't really high as the international league. There's many upset happen on small league which I think it's a fixed game.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 01:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

This has been a sizably big deal in American Sports history. Some of the most famous ones are like with MLB star Pete Rose who’s famously been held out of the baseball Hall of Fame due to being caught gambling on his own games (he would bet on his team). Then you’ve got the recent case of Calvin Ridley, a star Wide Receiver in the NFL who was just suspended for this past entire season for getting caught gambling on his team as well (was for like a silly small amount. Some real sloppy gambling).

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Ive never heard or read any where that a player of any type of game was caught betting on their own game, and besides, why would any player want to even do this except if he is underpaid.
Professional players wouldn't even have the time to do this even if they don't have any contract binding them not to, since they are well paid for their play.
But yes, i agree that its possible that some players from very small local clubs in some countries would possibly be doing this, and this is for the fact that most of the team in this category are under funded and the players under paid and sometimes over used as well, so it will take a lot of discipline for this type of player not to try other means of earning which include betting on their own game and causing their own team to lose so the player could win their bet.

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I don't know about other sports. But in cricket, it is strictly prohibited for the players to have any sort of association with betting. And that includes matches where they are not playing. And this ban stands in place even after the player retires from active sports. Some of the star players such as Shakib al Hasan (Bangladesh) have been handed lengthy bans for just having brief discussions with bookies. And in football, although the rules are not very strict players have been penalized for associating with gambling. The most well known example is that of Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who was recently fined €50,000 for associating himself with a betting company.

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Is it solely catching the player betting on themselves, or is it match-fixing? Cause I've heard a lot of match-fixing scandals between teams in a lot of sports, even ones that I don't actively follow. Match-fixing often leads to betting so I wouldn't really include that to the scenario where OP is looking for a player caught because of him betting specifically (nothing more, nothing else).

On cases I've heard, such as in this article
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/cs-go-pro-players-banned-for-betting-on-themselves

and other similar ones in eSports are the only ones I've ever really heard, so as you can see, it isn't completely out of the picture for it to happen.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 01:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

That is against rule, but I still think there are players that places bets or uses a third party person to place bets on their behalf. I am talking about those not so famous players and players from small clubs that doesn't play on international games. But yeah, it is illegal for them to place bets and if caught, will be penalized and/or permanently banned from playing any games. Imagine players placing bets on their own games and losing on purpose to win the bets they placed...

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A large number of money is traded around the world in every match by winning and losing. Now online betting sites offering many advantages. A gambler can easily bet on many betting sites without KYC. It is not uncommon for players to involve in this site but that would be definitely confidential. However, players are usually not involved in such activities in major events. This can have a major impact on their career. Moreover, this act is completely prohibited in the case of a player. If any player is found involved in this act then he will face punishment. But this is done very secretly. It can also be done through someone else instead of directly. Which is quite normal. Moreover, the term fixing is not unfamiliar anymore.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 01:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

It happens for the small and local leagues, as it is much easier to throw a game unnoticed when you have a few audiences as well. But, for a professional athletes in an international league, I guess it's a no brainer to throw your game just for the bet. I mean, you work hard to reach that highest point of your career, so might as well work it even harder to become one of the best and increase your value/salary.
But, I've seen some local leagues here that was even aired on a local TV, who's obviously throwing their games away.

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I think it's silly that they are not allowed to bet on their events. I mean, it's obvious that they shouldn't be allowed to bet against themselves, because that would mean letting them lose in order to make money. But betting in favour of themselves? Why not?

I don't see any possibility of a plot there. Besides, the ban is of little practical use, as they can use a trusted friend or family member to gamble.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 07:14:25 PM

Well first i didn’t think this topic will get much attention here, thank you for your replies and answers. But to be specific i wanted like more of the games or matches where those player been caught and what was their punishment and who really found out about their bet

Main punishment is suspension from future games for a while (usually 16-17 games away). Not only players have been caught, but also a referee and a coach, as we can see on the article below:

Calvin Ridley and 4 other athletes who were caught betting on their own sport

Although it's considered a serious offense, usually those athletes aren't doomed forever. But the top 1 of the list above, Pete Rose, was punished with a lifetime ban from baseball, including the Hall of Fame, because he was betting during the time he was manager of the team Cincinnati Reds, including bets on the matches involving his team.

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Well first i didn’t think this topic will get much attention here, thank you for your replies and answers. But to be specific i wanted like more of the games or matches where those player been caught and what was their punishment and who really found out about their bet

Quote from: BitDane on January 11, 2023, 02:36:48 PM

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So, in general, athletes are not allowed to bet on themselves. There are a few exceptions to these rules, especially when athletes find grey areas in the legislation and regulation processes. This is only valid for individual matches and sports, like boxing, MMA, or tennis

As for this exception i think it’s with the fighters where they bet against each other for big amounts of money and the winner takes it all it’s more known in boxing matches, but they can’t for bet on their loss because certainly it will be weird if both fighters do their best to lose the fight haha…

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 01:47:50 PM

So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

Obviously, there is. But still, can they truly trust that their bet will be nailed?

Besides, players themselves won't mind that betting part since they are there to win.

Imagine you are a player, and you bet on yourself, will you really be able to still think about that during your play?

How much is the betting amount to the fact that they need to prioritize it? Doesn't make sense, right?

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They can as long as they are not caught and so many players are doing this once they see that their team is heavily underdog and they know that their team is not motivated enough to win the game, players or fighters are the ones who usually know if the team is capable of beating the other team and from there they get the hint if their team has low morale, but if ever his team won you can easily tell and you can suspect someone on the team when he is the only one not happy with the win Cheesy

, so check the team that won and see everyone on the team.

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In esports, professional players are allowed to bet before and there's no clear rule with that but when the selling of games and the famous "322" for the Dota 2 community started.
It has now come to pass that players still have the right to do that but as part of ethics and conduct, the majority of those who are in the professional career of being an esports athlete, choose not to get engaged in gambling but they do advertise casinos since most teams are sponsored by them.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 01:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting....
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

They can and it's unethical it's betraying your team and if caught doing so its the end of the player or the fighter's career you never betray your team whatever the situation is, your organization is paying you to win and they expect their fighters, and players to abide on their oath to the organization or promotion they are into and besides a fighter or a team owed it to the audience, to give his/their best even if the odds is against them, but its a practice done by many players who are not getting enough payment in their contract, so we can say its an open secret.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on January 11, 2023, 01:47:50 PM

I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

I've never heard of anything like it, but if it's happened before or is happening now, I won't dismiss it. Money obsession has progressed beyond sacrificing one's own happiness for it. If this is discovered, the player or team should be banned for life. It is a form of entertainment for everyone to enjoy; using it to make extra money or for your own business is detrimental to its primary purpose. This should be frowned upon and not permitted in the sporting world. A match is supposed to be unpredictable, and you being the deciding factor will only kill the game's unknown anticipated outcome.

If you do like to enjoy then you could really bet on other games literally but there's only one thing that you couldnt bet is on your own game whether you would be betting on your own team or into the opponent.
This is the only exemption which its not really that hard but there are still indeed players who had committed out this kind violation and they do really badly like to bet on their own game despite they do
know that there are prohibitions for this one but it seems that they cant really be able to avoid it.

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With the major sports in the United States all forms of gambling in and around your sport you are in is strictly prohibited even if it's on a game you have no part in. To keep the legitimacy of the game in tact they want to make sure as much fixing is limited as possible even though it definitely still happens.

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Anything could be possible because we are all humans, there's no way they could totally subjugate all players not to bet or involved in any games they are playing. Have we forgotten they have family members?
Even as that they could funds their relatives account to involve in the betting irrespective is highly forbidden.

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