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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

If you're talking about gambling over the internet, anything can be rigged. In fact, a lot of new casinos pop up with deposit bonuses just to get your funds and then either you cannot withdraw or you're subjected to playing games that will make you a loser every time. I would urge you to look into transparent and provably honest casino games if you feel like it's a possibility that you are being cheated. Where there's smoke there's fire as they say and if you're getting a bad feeling from the site you're choosing to gamble on, either research and make sure that it's legitimate or find a new site that you feel is honest.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on November 09, 2022, 12:02:20 PM

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I just finished the video. Thanks for sharing it, I found it to be entertaining and definitely OP could get an idea of how far people can go to defraud others.
If I had to guess, I believe there must be some casinos that still rig their roulettes, specially in countries where the gambling industry is not so regulated as in the United States and Europe. I think this way because this rigged table you just shared with us was used back in 1929 and it is very well done, nowadays casinos of doubtful reputation have more technology as their disposal to try to increase their odds: much more smaller batteries, stronger magnets, electronics, minuscule electric motors, etc.

Perhaps, it is another reason to stick to provably fair games.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on November 09, 2022, 12:00:34 PM

Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

I may be wrong but I like to think that anything can be manipulated. From my many experience with tricksters and watching Live magic performances where tricks are involved, the more you look the less you actually see. It may not be a common thing, and not something easily done, but anything is possible.

The paradox lies in the fact that it is the manipulation and dishonest play of offline casino owners that gives the player a chance to beat the casino.

The mathematical theory of probability does not leave the player with a chance to consistently win at roulette in the long run. This is due to the presence of sectors 0 and 00. These sectors provide constant profits to casino owners.

However, in the event of a dishonest game, the distribution of winnings between players and casino owners will no longer obey mathematical laws.

The croupier's manipulations can theoretically be calculated. And this gives an attentive player a chance to win.

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Roulette can be rigged with electric motors and magnets, and that's not new, let me share a video where they explain how an old roulette table was rigged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOc4sVA_vc

The way it works was crazy because the spinning machine was over the table leg, so, it have a motor under it, just watch the full video and you will fully understand how that works.

I don't think casinos do this any more, but it happened in the past.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

I may be wrong but I like to think that anything can be manipulated. From my many experience with tricksters and watching Live magic performances where tricks are involved, the more you look the less you actually see. It may not be a common thing, and not something easily done, but anything is possible.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Sure a physical roullete can be rigged. But I think these kinds of things are checked regularly and made sure to be in functional order. Also, if it were rigged then there would be some patterns that gamblers would at some point catch up on and then the casino owner would be in very big trouble.

Anything can be used to rig the wheel. From weights to table balance manipulation or even magnets. There are an infinite amount of ways to rig it if you have a good imagination and a working understanding of fundamental physics.

But again, things like rigged wheels will not remain unnoticed for long.

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All games can be rigged, as long as the operators want to do it then they will do it for their own purpose (money).
Online provably fair games is better if you ask me because there is a way for players to verify the bets.

Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 11:57:57 PM

This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

Losing 2 days in a row is not enough to prove that the casino cheated on you, anyone can lose several days in row when the bad luck comes.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Of course. Almost any casino game can be rigged and roulette isn’t an exception. But casinos don’t really need to cheat on their games because the math is already on their side and it is the only friend they need. Cheating on their own games would damage their reputation very badly and they will lose whatever player base they got very quickly. Why risk it when they already make money without cheating? If a casino cheats, people will notice that eventually.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Of course, you can because we can cheat on anything humans make.
But I don't know how to cheat the roulette machine; obviously, only people who know how a roulette machine works will know.
And maybe they are the ones who can cheat it so that victory still comes to them.
And if that happens, I think the casino will suspect him and investigate the person and arrest him if he is proven to have cheated the roulette machine.

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Quote from: acroman08 on November 08, 2022, 05:33:28 AM

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Quote from: jackg on November 07, 2022, 11:30:45 PM

There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).

This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

I am assuming that your "revenge" and plan to "bankrupt" them didn't go as planned? also, you don't have any evidence that the roulette game was rigged. it seems to me that you agreed with jackg to justify your thoughts that you were cheated and is denying the fact that you lost twice in a row fair and square.

I think he still wants to get revenge so he wants to justify what he thinks that he was cheated on that is why he lost, this is gambling no guarantee of winning don't look for loopholes to justify why you lose, if a gambler keeps justifying why he losses and he only expect winning you will likely get addicted and keeps on winning because he thinks he cannot lose and he only wins everytime he plays.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 09, 2022, 09:24:19 AM

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Even if you spend hours writing down the numbers that fall out at the roulette wheel is not the fact that it will give any result because most likely in order to improve safety casino owners change their strategy to avoid falling under suspicion.

It seems to me that it is almost impossible to prove foul play at the roulette table. Therefore, after several losses I bypass this game of chance and I do not quite understand gamblers who play roulette.

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Again, I mentioned before that roulette can be intentional or not-intentional being rigged by casinos. You can find a machine that is biased for certain numbers, but it's that because of how the machines are set up by the casinos themselves without knowing that is is not balance, hence it is biased due to some imperfections.

On the other hand, if they know this before hand, then obviously, they can set it up to trap gamblers and give them more house edge. But that is hard to proved, unless you will do what they call clocking, wherein putting hours after hours of recording the winning numbers.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

I think everything is physical casino can be rigged, so in roulette, maybe it's not balance, and could favor certain numbers. But it's going to be very difficult to spot as casinos are also known for shuffling their roulette machine.

And that is the odds for a single number to be hit is very high payout because the chances are very small. And depending what kind of roulette you are playing, whether it's single or double zeroes, the odds will always be against you.

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Quote from: piebeyb on November 08, 2022, 01:18:22 AM

if you want a lot of money you don't have to play roulette you can invest anything to get a return on your investment, basically everyone already knows casinos will not give you a lot of money even if you play with hundreds or thousands of dollars, they have their own ways to take your money its hard to find a fair game unless maybe you bet on sports because it won't be easy to cheat, to be honest i'm not a roullete lover but it looks like you made the right decision to leave the casino before your money runs out Grin

And you think investing is safe? There is also a risk there and it can still be considered as gambling. It's hard to earn lots of money in investing and it may take you a long time for you to do it. I think doing a business can yield you better returns or we can also do trading but again there are still risks on here.

Casinos are not built for the people to be rich but they are only built to give them entertainment so we should only treat it this way. I think you're right that it's hard to find a fair game offline but not online because we can verify each of our bets but we can also judge if they are legit or not based on the duration of their existence and based on the feedback of other gamblers.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

It might be but we will never know. Depending on the reputation of the physical casino, I think the reputable ones are following gambling standard procedures on how the roulette should be. Besides, let's accept the fact that winning big here is really hard no matter how's fairness applied here.

No way it will be designed to give most of their customers a good win always.

If ever you asked that question because you lose playing roulette, that's gambling and you have to move on.

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Roulette tables have been rigged in pop culture fiction. Movies and TV series have depicted there being an electromagnetic positioned underneath the roulette wheel which pulls the roulette ball in a direction to rig games.

Aside from that, I can't remember allegations or accusations of roulette being rigged anywhere. It is possible that roulette is one of the more fair casino games out there. Roulette has a very good reputation. Which is part of the reason why they are so popular for gamblers and have survived for so long inside casinos.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Be it rigged or not, there's no way to tell it honestly. To minimize the risk though, expect that these casinos won't ruin their reputation because of the rigged game possibilities. However, you have to accept that the house was designed in favor of the casinos that's why you are "gambling" against them.

It doesn't mean that you are losing, the casino is cheating on you right away. That's not gambling anymore if there's a 100% win rate. There's no special gambler there that can always turn the table upside down.

Why not the casino just give free money to all if there's no such thing as gambling there?

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Pretty much any game on a live casino can be rigged. Even the roulette. There are multiple ways this could be done. For some putting some weight on one side of the spinning wheel could favor a certain spot on the wheel, while depriving all the other sides, effectively rigging the game. But licensed casinos wouldn't be able to do this since as far as I know quality checks are being made to their equipment to make sure that no game is rigged in favor of the house. That being said, if you're scared that a particular casino could rig the game against your favor, might as well choose a different casino or refrain from playing in the game you are most afraid about.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Of course it can be rigged but it is not on the best interest of casino to do this, you need to understand the greatest advantage that casinos have is the randomness of the games themselves, the fact you cannot predict what number is going to come up next plus the house edge allows them to make a lot of profits, if they rigged the roulette then someone with enough patience could discover some numbers appear more often than others and this will give the player an edge but not the casino, so the casinos want the roulette and any other game to work precisely as intended.

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Quote from: Fishy001 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:46 PM

I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

There are many ways that a roulette wheel could be rigged to favor the house, but in reality they are destined to win over the long run so it doesn't make much sense for them to cheat as long as they can tolerate the variations in player bets. Some examples of fixing a roulette wheel could be - having a slight tilt on the wheel along with using some sort of weighting system to make it end up in a certain area more often, using magnets within the bed of the roulette wheel to gently guide it to a stop in the desired location or even the rotation mechanics themselves being carefully engineered to slow to a stop at the most favorable outcome on a specific bet.

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