Topic: Can soccer players collaborate with gamblers to help them win there bet? - page 3. (Read 558 times)

Wouldn't that count as match fixing? I don't think that it's even allowed and if the league where that player is from, they're definitely going to face sanctions, suspensions and maybe even a lifetime ban in the league, there might even be some case where you might face some jailtime but it's pretty rare especially if it's a collaboration of only two people. It's also going to be considered as an unsportsmanlike behavior because of how you only do that game for the money and not for the fun of it. You might be able to get away with it when you know that your collaborator isn't going to talk about it and at the same time makes the pattern less believable to make sure that no suspicion will arise but then again, it would be difficult for you to do it as it's really difficult to be careful with that illegal thing, might as well just do it fair and you will have no problem sleeping at night because your conscience is clean.

It seems like this can be done, especially if the football player has a wide network of friends or business. He can do something that can have a winning effect on the people around him to win. And that was a fraud he did. 

But it would be difficult to detect even by regulators because those who do it could make hidden meetings without anyone knowing. They can manage it well and can win some money. Meanwhile, people will not know what is going on and can only feel jealous of the victory achieved by a group of people.

We know that anything can happen, especially in the gambling or sports betting industry. If they have found a loophole that can be used to cheat, they will do it to take advantage of it for themselves. But we should not do the same thing because it clearly violates existing regulations.

Sincerely for my whole life I have thought it wasn't possible in football but this has just proven me very very wrong as this generations for footballers are more greedy than I thought. But what if this is a false alligation? Anyways let's not go deep to it.

I'm not too into football but I just love to watch them, this particular case has risen my curiosity to as so many questions that I doubt myself currently. So they now bet on each player to have a yellow card ? Or was the bet on the whole team of only him because I totally do not understand where the bet is station for a single play to get yellow card and it would favour some gamblers? Someone can come for my aid here!

I have heard of match fixing but not in this manner, it could be a whole team but I haven't heard of a single player.

If I imagine it happening in the top 5 European leagues then a few cartel would be benefiting more and making huge profits that will be used to sponsor some of the clubs. I'm beginning to think something new but I will keep it to my self in the main time.

That's match fixing and I don't think that those players have the need to be doing that kind of thing especially if they're getting paid hefty sums of money to just play, they can't afford to get investigated and suspended for potential match fixing scandal and then the amount of money involved when the scandal is unearthed would make it seem like the player would look pathetic, that's what happened to that one recent NBA player where he's betting on his games and he's in an indefinite suspension or something like that.

I agree.

In any sports that has a large money at stake can blind any athlete that will be offered a lot of money. But they need to ask themselves if that's going to be the determining factor of their career and if it will be worth it?

In any sense, it is not worth it at all.

Indeed, many athletes who stumble on gambling cases use their position to manipulate in every competition to win the gambler on the gamble made.

The Athlete will benefit from the manipulation and of course they know the risk is proportional to the benefits obtained and also more than their salary as athletes.

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Cases like this occur in several football athletes, such as in the recent case of West Ham United star,
Lucas Paqueta who is threatened with a 10-year ban from playing in the Premier League for being involved in gambling cases.

The English Football Association (FA) has found the Brazilian midfielder guilty of gambling,
and Paqueta was found to have deliberately received a yellow card to influence the betting market.

In response to the charges, Paqueta denied doing so and said he had the club's full support.
But if found guilty, then the 26-year-old could be threatened by his professional career.

[1] https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13141950/lucas-paqueta-west-ham-midfielder-charged-by-fa-for-alleged-breaches-of-betting-rules

What you're asking is blatant match fixing, and that is generally frowned upon in the sports community. Countless athletes with a future ahead of their lives lost their chances at making it big all because they want quick bucks.

As an athlete, while it's not illegal to place bets on your sport, you are generally disallowed to make bets on games that you or your team's going to be in, whether it's in favor or against them. It creates a sense of lack of integrity for one, and it further drives the fact that you may have done something behind the lines to be so confident about making bets like that, which in itself is already match fixing whether proven or not.

So yeah, they can't make bets, they can't help the bettors win their bets, nor are they even allowed to engage with these people while a game is slated for them. It's just that simple. If a gambler wanted his team to win the best he could do is provide support in one way or another, not ask the players for shit lol.

We can't deny the fact that such case like this happens all the time. The athlete has his own reasons why he's doing it, but bottomline of this is all the same, the money involved in such arrangement. If it is not significant enough, why would a player be tempted to do what he's not supposed to do, as it can possibly ruin his career and be punished for a lifetime? There are some bad repercussions of agreeing into this, hence, the athlete is ready for a lifetime ban if found guilty, but he would make sure he has a lot of money stashed after such punishment.

And I would say, this can happen in any sports. If money talks, then, the game will be rigged but fans can see it especially if they are very familiar with the athletes playing on the field.

unfortunately there will always be cases like these, although the number of cases like these will be smaller in big leagues due to the large salaries that players receive and the constant control that big league managers have done, but as in big leagues not all players are who receive high salaries capable of allowing the player to say no to these types of schemes, then we will see these types of cases, because players who are on small teams even though they are playing in the big league, their salary is not equal to of the player who is on the best team in the big league, this creates frustration in the player on the small team and leads him to enter into these illegal schemes, it will be difficult to hear that a player with great talent from a team like Manchester City for example has been involved in schemes like these

and the reason is because a player from a team like Manchester City, he receives a good salary, gets a lot of attention, wins titles, so he is not a frustrated player and is unlikely to fall into gambling addiction and will not join these illegal schemes. Greed is something that makes people blind. the guy risked losing his job (being kicked out of the team) because of this illegal betting scheme, and when he sits at home he starts complaining that he doesn't have a job and doesn't have money, and the sad part is that even if he won in these schemes, he doesn't would become a millionaire to the point of having enough money to pay his bills until he dies, which is why I can't understand how these players fall into these types of schemes.

Do i call this some fake news that has been escalated with the purpose of earning streams and views? Or do I believe it?

It's never happened in the history of premier League that most matches are being set to either win or lose... That'd mean obviously, that the whole passion that reflects in people's faces and minds would be for something that could easily be manipulated, even without their consent.
For the ones I'm sure of, all the games in the lower championships and divisions from different countries are fixed! How do y'all think the idea of coupon bet came about? It's basically about how good you can be in retracing certain events and making evaluations for a possible draw×.

Not only in soccer or football. But many of them happens, happened and might happen in any kind of sporting event. And they're going to be illegal because it is never been allowed by these organizations. It's a shame, a true shame if a big league has found someone actually do this. It's also a gamble to the person that will do it but are they willing to do that when they know the risk?

If I am an athlete, I let alone the gamblers do their thing and I will focus on my craft and contract because that's a real money that I don't have to gamble. The gambling involvement will really show what kind of person you are, someone who does this is certainly have his greediness to the next level and that's unacceptable. Because if an athlete does it on a professional league and tries to let the opponent win because of the odds or because of the bet, a fine won't be enough.

This has happened to the esports too with a pro player named 'Taiga'.
See his story:Damaging video of Taiga and alleged match-fixing surfaces

Shit happens everywhere but some of then  happens in some real coded ways that you can hardly imagine possible. I think some of these players do some things intentionally to please some godfathers and people they owe favors in order to settle them.  Also since they're prohibited from gambling, they may gamble with themselves for huge benefits from friend and colleagues. Just like money is laundered in the signing of any new player, they may also be involved in some unholy activities that they need to fulfill their own part of the bargain while on the pitch.

The main reason I believe this is that there are some fouls that would be committed on the pitch add you'll clearly see its irrational and pointless committing such fouls, so I think this might be their own gambling patterns.

Some of these allegations are true some are false but before we conclude let's wait for a proper investigation, they should look at the player's background and gambling history

Not really that shocking even if we do speak about football/Soccer, then there would really be no exemptions in speaking about match fixing or trying out to make those kind of behavior on which they would really be doing just for the sake on making up some winnings outside with those gamblers. If this one is proven out then we do know on what Lucas Paqueta would really be able to get on such violation on the sport.
If there would be those accusations but still ending up on still rumors then penalizing couldnt really be still applied but once this one proven out then we do know on whats next.
This isnt first the time that we are seeing these kind situations about these match fixing or whatever correlates to it. There's no smoke that cant really be hidden and once those accusations or rumors come out
then most likely this is really that tend to be proven out later on.

It's quite difficult to prove this kind of thing
Take a look at the moves that are being investigated:
https://www.espn.com.br/video/clipe/_/id/13696359

There's a lot of interpretation that you can take to mean that it was a normal play or that it was forced, it's a very difficult situation without having other evidence

And it's quite serious, especially given the player's fame, he plays in the Premier League and is a member of the Brazilian national team.
If it is proven, there has to be an exemplary punishment, even more so because nowadays there are many bookmakers who sponsor soccer, and they need everything to be done correctly

Is it really an allegation, has it yet been proven and how was it proven. If this was really an arrangement then how come it became public it was supposed to remain confidential between him and the gamblers because his career is simply at risk. There are players both in the top leagues which is committing even worst than what he did, we can't tell untill the truth comes out. If truly he is proven then he should face the  consequences, as a professional his supposed to fully understand the rules and abide by them.

WWE is not the original wrestling. It’s the entertainment wrestling which is not the sports but there’s an original wrestling sports which is very popular on other country especially on the olympics. Wrestling is a form of grappling which is being used by Russians on UFC especially Kabib.

Although, I understand you for considering WWE as the real wrestling because this show is very popular during my childhood which even I knew it as the sports wrestling. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling

Yes, it's not only possible, but also likely to be true. Sentences for players who collaborate with gamblers in order to manipulate a match's events should be harsh. The athlete who acts this way is a traitor of the sport he practices. It's like a doctor who swore an oath to save lives, but start acting in his profession to murder his patients to steal their organs in order to sell for extra profit. These people should be immediately suspended from their functions and forbidden to play further championships and official matches through national teams.

That is how society could show how shameful the acts of these professionals are, by putting them aside from every activities. Regards this case you mentioned, it's said this player can be suspended for a timeframe of 10 years. In my opinion the penalty applied is totally justified, and has to be useful as a warning for other players who are doing the same or thinking about doing the same.

Well yeah, that is extra money for them that is why they sometimes play such dirty tricks or their own good but yeah, is that how you are rich enough to pay a player to mess up on their team and let gamblers win? Money is money and I know there are a lot of them doing that like a hollywood star that sometimes it don't even look suspicious unless a referee is also part of the gameplan which sometimes make it more obvious.

Shit happens as long as we have different players from different backgrounds and different behaviors. This is why you should expected the unexpected, but what makes it a professional league is that at the end the player will be caught amd get banned.

Unlike a small league that it is a norm to them and their will be no penalty after they notice it, because it is allowed. Wonders shall never end and we will keep seeing such things but once in a while.

He might feel he is helping those gamblers unknown to him that he is playing with his career.