Can we Manipulate Bitcoin price? - page 19.

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Quote from: Anjing Lu on April 21, 2017, 03:51:43 AM

I think depending on the strength of our money, if we have stock of the bitcoin dominant than circulating in the market then we easily manipulate the price of the bitcoin.

The people that holds a lot of bitcoin can have the power to manipulate the price of it. And we know on how the whales are manipulating the market and there are pump and dump groups that are helping each other to get some decent profit. There is a way to manipulate bitcoins price but it is not that an easy thing if you only have very few.

I think big capital will still be difficult to use to manipulate bitcoin prices. If they do not have a good plan. One person is not enough to manipulate bitcoin prices

When you have a big capital, it's pretty obvious that others have a big capital also. Your chance to manipulate the
price is when you have a big percentage of holding on the pie or the total circulation to make it simple.

Yes, but it is not that easy with manipulating bitcoin.
The market capitalization of it is insanely huge right now, which makes any manipulating very hard, even for the big fishes at the markets.
Currently, its $19,907,616,193 so how do you manipulate a market like that? Only during special incidents, that is possible to launch a big burst of specific positions to achieve your goal.

I think that most of the people who want to manipulate market on cryptocurrencies, are going for some altcoins, probably these cheap ones.

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Quote from: NEWGOODOUBLE on April 23, 2017, 06:28:51 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on April 21, 2017, 07:47:59 PM

Quote from: Anjing Lu on April 21, 2017, 03:51:43 AM

I think depending on the strength of our money, if we have stock of the bitcoin dominant than circulating in the market then we easily manipulate the price of the bitcoin.

The people that holds a lot of bitcoin can have the power to manipulate the price of it. And we know on how the whales are manipulating the market and there are pump and dump groups that are helping each other to get some decent profit. There is a way to manipulate bitcoins price but it is not that an easy thing if you only have very few.

I think big capital will still be difficult to use to manipulate bitcoin prices. If they do not have a good plan. One person is not enough to manipulate bitcoin prices

When you have a big capital, it's pretty obvious that others have a big capital also. Your chance to manipulate the
price is when you have a big percentage of holding on the pie or the total circulation to make it simple.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on April 21, 2017, 07:47:59 PM

Quote from: Anjing Lu on April 21, 2017, 03:51:43 AM

I think depending on the strength of our money, if we have stock of the bitcoin dominant than circulating in the market then we easily manipulate the price of the bitcoin.

The people that holds a lot of bitcoin can have the power to manipulate the price of it. And we know on how the whales are manipulating the market and there are pump and dump groups that are helping each other to get some decent profit. There is a way to manipulate bitcoins price but it is not that an easy thing if you only have very few.

I think big capital will still be difficult to use to manipulate bitcoin prices. If they do not have a good plan. One person is not enough to manipulate bitcoin prices

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let oo impossible bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

it's too impossible for the individuals users of bitcoin to manipulate the value price of BTC. Only the big whale investors or big companies had a capacity to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

Not only individuals but it is now even hard for big whales and companies in alone to manipulate the price. The market cap is in billion dollars so all the big whale have to come together in order to manipulate the price.

A few months ago people were saying that china is manipulating the prices of bitcoins as they have big percentage of bitcoin supply and they can play with artificial buy and sell.

That was mainly due to Chinese exchanges but then those exchanges have been controlled and what price we see of bitcoin today is a real price and not of any manipulation.

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let oo impossible bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

it's too impossible for the individuals users of bitcoin to manipulate the value price of BTC. Only the big whale investors or big companies had a capacity to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

Not only individuals but it is now even hard for big whales and companies in alone to manipulate the price. The market cap is in billion dollars so all the big whale have to come together in order to manipulate the price.

A few months ago people were saying that china is manipulating the prices of bitcoins as they have big percentage of bitcoin supply and they can play with artificial buy and sell.

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let oo impossible bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

it's too impossible for the individuals users of bitcoin to manipulate the value price of BTC. Only the big whale investors or big companies had a capacity to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

Not only individuals but it is now even hard for big whales and companies in alone to manipulate the price. The market cap is in billion dollars so all the big whale have to come together in order to manipulate the price.

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Quote from: molsewid on April 22, 2017, 10:22:44 AM

Depends if you are holding tons of bitcoin you can manipulate the price of bitcoin and i think there one country who are lots of users of bitcoin currency china and us if theres dumping happen they following the flow of each other because they don't want to lose any profit .

Yes It is depend on supply and demand. Beside owning a lot if capital we also can influence the demand of bitcoin by makes a lot of more people to use bitcoin, we must be a part of people that work in journalism to make it happen. Or atleast if we have a lot of follower in social media we can post something good about bitcoin.
So The price of bitcoin can move up.

The journalism part is kind of a no-no since a journalist can't just publish about bitcoins for his personal preference. Bitcoin might be talked about once or twice in the news but it'll be a part of some small part which will make very little effect. Bitcoin has to be in the headlines for it to have an effect for being in the news. But that will only happen when bitcoin is already booming.

Social influencers will do literally anything for money. There's tons of stupid challenges on Youtube just to get money from the views. If you sponsor a social media influencers, they'll feature bitcoins on their channel. The funds is the only thing that's missing.

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Quote from: DrGuns4Hands on April 22, 2017, 04:24:10 AM

I knew it now just now that we can't manipulate the price of bitcoin. bitcoin price changes because of our economy or those traders in the market they're the one reason why bitcoin price is changing it depends on the market when the price of bitcoin will dump or pump. and one more thing in bitcoin price changing there's always a richs people where when they pull out their money the price of bitcoin will definitely dump.

in fact it is b now really become more difficult to manipulate the price of bitcoin and i think it is becoming more and more difficult as time pass, because the users of bitcoin are continuously increasing, which is mow making it more difficult for the big whale to manipulate the price of bitcoin, i am hopeful that in future bitcoin will be trading as in its original price and no one will be able to manipulate the price of bitcoin any more.

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Quote from: Anjing Lu on April 21, 2017, 03:51:43 AM

I think depending on the strength of our money, if we have stock of the bitcoin dominant than circulating in the market then we easily manipulate the price of the bitcoin.

It all depends on the bitcoin user, if the user is a little bit it will be easy to manipulate the bitcoin price But the current bitcoin users are already very large would be much more difficult

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

Ya sure, we call pool all our 0.001BTC and move the Bitcoin market. No problemo.

I am thinking of thousands of BTC already, the people who are holding that big number of bitcoins can manipulate the price of bitcoin, but it will only happen if the adoption is still low and they control the majority of bitcoin supply.

But today the adoption of bitcoin is very large and spread all over the world. And certainly a great adoption would make it a more difficult manipulator to manipulate bitcoin prices

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 22, 2017, 02:51:38 PM

I am afraid that we have grown beyond the point where manipulation is possible by simple trading practises such as dumping and mass purchase. Still it is possible to slightly manipulate the exchange rates, by hacking in to the exchanges and wallet sites. But don't expect the results which we got after the hacking of Mt Gox and Sheep Marketplace

I have to disagree with this point

In fact, we have come even closer to the point where price manipulation is more possible and likely. You should understand that the number of coins remains essentially the same, while the supply is limited and is going to be even more limited in the future. So with the future price growth you have to expect the markets thinning (less supply and less demand). Basically, we are already there. Since the beginning of this year we have seen a few flash crashes down to 750 dollars per coin (and twice down to 900 dollars). I guess this pretty well cuts as manipulation as well as proves my point in practice

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let oo impossible bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

it's too impossible for the individuals users of bitcoin to manipulate the value price of BTC. Only the big whale investors or big companies had a capacity to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

yes, it is only impossible for big holders like exchange sites who can sell their stock at higher prices when there is downfall in Bitcoin prices and buying it from other side. Whereas individuals like us have a negligible control over Bitcoins prices.

although it is look like possible but i think it is not such as easy job. and specially in present time when the users of bitcoin are increasing from time to time, so it now becoming difficult even for a long long time an.

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I am afraid that we have grown beyond the point where manipulation is possible by simple trading practises such as dumping and mass purchase. Still it is possible to slightly manipulate the exchange rates, by hacking in to the exchanges and wallet sites. But don't expect the results which we got after the hacking of Mt Gox and Sheep Marketplace.

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

Usually manipulation is done by big whales to change the market situation and gain huge profits.But bitcoin has a very big market cap and it has lots of investors universally.So it is not easy to manipulate bitcoin.But altcoin could easily be manipulated as it has very little market cap.

One rof many reasons is big market cap which makes bitcoin stand so far. The answer is yes we can manipulate bitcoin with proper amount of money or a lot of people cash out, convert bitcoin. But, we know people believe in bitcoin, its valuable more than fiat money.
Many of us here in the forum already did the best to support bitcoin community instead of make it less valuable. But, the cycle remain the same, bitcoin price will still fluctuate according to the market demands.

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Quote from: pinkpanther03 on April 22, 2017, 01:19:48 PM

Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let oo impossible bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

it's too impossible for the individuals users of bitcoin to manipulate the value price of BTC. Only the big whale investors or big companies had a capacity to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

Obviously the big whale investors have the maximum capacity to manipulate BTC value, but similarly many small individuals taking same action can also make a difference. But usually its either some worldwide economical news or big investors manipulates the valuation of Bitcoin

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Quote from: bouren on April 22, 2017, 01:45:27 PM

Quote from: pinkpanther03 on April 22, 2017, 01:19:48 PM

Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let oo impossible bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

it's too impossible for the individuals users of bitcoin to manipulate the value price of BTC. Only the big whale investors or big companies had a capacity to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

yes, it is only impossible for big holders like exchange sites who can sell their stock at higher prices when there is downfall in Bitcoin prices and buying it from other side. Whereas individuals like us have a negligible control over Bitcoins prices.

Totally agree with you. Now I have a 0.952 Bitcoin, and I very much doubt that I can ruin the bitcoins market with such a sum. In this large holder can

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Quote from: pinkpanther03 on April 22, 2017, 01:19:48 PM

Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let oo impossible bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

it's too impossible for the individuals users of bitcoin to manipulate the value price of BTC. Only the big whale investors or big companies had a capacity to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

yes, it is only impossible for big holders like exchange sites who can sell their stock at higher prices when there is downfall in Bitcoin prices and buying it from other side. Whereas individuals like us have a negligible control over Bitcoins prices.

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let oo impossible bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

it's too impossible for the individuals users of bitcoin to manipulate the value price of BTC. Only the big whale investors or big companies had a capacity to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

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Quote from: molsewid on April 22, 2017, 10:22:44 AM

Depends if you are holding tons of bitcoin you can manipulate the price of bitcoin and i think there one country who are lots of users of bitcoin currency china and us if theres dumping happen they following the flow of each other because they don't want to lose any profit .

Yes It is depend on supply and demand. Beside owning a lot if capital we also can influence the demand of bitcoin by makes a lot of more people to use bitcoin, we must be a part of people that work in journalism to make it happen. Or atleast if we have a lot of follower in social media we can post something good about bitcoin.
So The price of bitcoin can move up.

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Quote from: molsewid on April 22, 2017, 10:22:44 AM

Depends if you are holding tons of bitcoin you can manipulate the price of bitcoin and i think there one country who are lots of users of bitcoin currency china and us if theres dumping happen they following the flow of each other because they don't want to lose any profit .

There is a negligible chance if something like that happening. I don't think Chinese government or any other Chinese union is working like a cartel on national level. It is just a part of possibility not real happening that Chinese merchants are buying each others' bitcoins so that they earn as a whole team. There is no clear evidence for it.

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