Topic: Card counting in black jack - page 3. (Read 837 times)

It almost sounds like you have to be a narcissist to concentrate on your surroundings (checking out for security etc) as well as recalling cards per hand/shuffle.  The OP adds a degree of difficulty with having to convert card values to a score then adding up that score.  Are there any examples of people winning big bucks with these kinds of methodologies, or is it all just a working theory?

its cool that this strat was so popular and it ended up with its own movie . no casino owner will not recognized that so prolly they already came up with strat to make this counting strat impossible to work . on the past when the counting strat isnt yet popular , gamblers that knows it are lucky because they probably win alot that time .

 it is still possible to win today but the game now would only be depend mostly by luck and not by skill

   Any task is harder when you are doing it under the pressure. I read what people commented in this thread and as some people
said, maybe it's possible for some people to count cards when they play with one deck, but what happens when dealer has more than
one deck? And online casinos use more decks probably, how to count cards when there're too many possibilities. Even it sounds good,
and there are films about counting cards, I don't think it's a perfect strategy for winning in Black Jack, there's no perfect strategy!

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

This only happens in the movies and no one in real life break your knees if you win to often.You can go to the casino with a group of friends so you will not be alone at the mercy of casino gorillas if that is the case.

However count as much as you want,you can’t win always as sometimes you receive cards like J and 5 which is the worst combination being a 16 and you can go bust if you hit or when you dont the dealer get a 17 and wins.Although counting is possible do not rely on it to win as is not possible.

I only know what I've seen in US movies/TV series, and in these it seems the casinos just throw you out/take your winnings/break your knees if they suspect you of counting cards. How do they suspect you ? If you win too often !

I never tried so I do not have personal experience but it is known that it works, however most croupiers know card counting as well and they keep track of the count and if they see you change your betting patterns and bet very little when the count is against you and you bet a lot when the count is in your favour then you are going to be eventually banned from the casino, however players found a way around it by the introduction of team play, what they do is that one player keeps track of the count and keeps his bets constant but when the count is on favour of the player they give a signal to another player that comes and makes big bets which makes him look as a high roller and not a card counter.

It sounds simple but when you are on the actual thing then it would really be already a confusing thing if you havent mastered this enough.Im able to tried or practice this one but it seems it would need
several months to keep on playing before i do able to take a grasp on it.Take note that dont let yourself get caught or making yourself way too obvious on this stuff or else you would really be
blocked or restricted on a certain casino.

Just as a side note: When walking up to a blackjack table, always read what is on the felt. Card counting may lower the house advantage by -1% vs. playing with the optimal basic strategy will result in a house edge of .46%.

However, something as simple as "Blackjack pays 6/5" plus perfect strategy will set the house edge at 1.82%. That's 4 times as much loss per hour as a "Blackjack pays 3/2". Add in other rule changes like "Dealer must hit soft 17" and "double on 10/11 only" will raise the house edge to 2.32%. This will swamp even card counting.

This is why those tables are usually the ones with fake strippers on poles next to them. Those strippers are powered by money, and all the lights/etc are run on money as well. Even on a straight table you're talking a profit of $50 an hour (before taxes) with $100 base bets and a $10,000 stash to the table. Worth it? Eh.....

If I want to go to casinos and have "fun" or hang around with people I will play don't pass/don't come on craps with a per roll house edge of .40%. Plus it keeps the table and the casino honest, as loading the dice will seriously affect the payouts for the donts. (This is why craps is a game that doesn't tolerate house cheating, if the house cheats then the donts will rob them blind) But yes, you will lose over time because those lights won't pay for themselves....

Your mileage may vary.....

You don't messed with the casino with this system, I've watched the movie as well and I like the movie very much, it was already an old movie but I can still watch it over and over again without losing the entertainment value I get.

check out the thriller, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsK1c9ZBpuw&ab_channel=21Movie .. you might like to watch the full movie once you see it, but I'm not telling you to do bad things, of course let's play fair as that would challenge us and will give us real entertainment.

Try Poker in which card counting is really rampant specially in Real game.
But yeah i am as well have no Big luck in blackjack,i would rather play roulette or Slots than this one lol
it is not easy to do mate and besides i believe that Only few mastered this meaning it will take time and effort before finally making it right.

not familiar to this trick but ive known blackjack a long time ago and been also involved on it  .

 now that im aware that the trick exist , i think im still not going to learn it  , not because that im afraid to get caught and banned but i just wanted to play fair and square   . casino's are trying to be fair here so why will we cheat them  but other than that  i also believer that if you did bad things , you will also get bad returns much more that what you have done .

I've seen that movie and I think it's illegal in most casinos so I would not try to master this one, besides, I am not really a big fan of Blackjack game, I have other interest but I really love the movie though, anything as long as related to gambling.

Is card counting possible online or even by a single individual. I really don't know the trick and even if you had laid it here I can't still grasp the details of it and how it would function. Well, that's only me. I have to happen seen it on the movie series of Lucifer wherein Ms. Lopez was used that trick but sadly the gal was banned on almost all casinos, it's just a movie though but I think it is possible in real life, am I right? Maybe some card geniuses?

That's interesting but I think that in live ones the developers already would have done some limitations in the code to prevent such actions being done by other players.

Since when we are talking about playing online against a program ; it does have all the datas and such ; therefore I think I won't go that far to try it online but offline ones are something that can be tried on .


I think even before that you have to practice ; don't loose money unnecessarily or maybe don't play for much ?

This trick doesn't need much thought and such it's simple 1+1+0-1-1 ... Etc.. therefore it's something that we all can do ... At the same time try and associate a big number with an animal or a thing this way by picturizing that number you will be able to remember it more.

If you enjoy reading I would recommend the old - but still accurate book by Edward Thorp ("Beat the Dealer: A Winning Strategy for the Game of Twenty-one") This guy is a genius in gambling and also investing.

The thing with counting cards is that is only working in a physical casino with multiple decks. Such strategies don't work online.

The edge of the casino in black jack comes from the fact that you are getting your cards before the dealer does. So if you go above 21 and go bust you lose and the round is over. Theoretical the casino could also go bust this round but it doesn't come to that since you already lost. With counting cards you are trying to get a deck with a lot of valu 10 cards, so your chances of getting 21 or 20 is much higher.

I am not aware there is such a counting trick in black jack. I am only relying on my guts to stand with the cards i picked. Usually losing on that game though since I always had a bad luck on black jack or maybe not my game since I most often play dice and mines.

Anyway, let me try that trick next time. Who knows, if i have a good seed and luck then probably this will works.

These strategy is actually applicable to Blackjack and Poker, and it will give an edge to someone who have a great memory skills like this. That is why most of the people say that good poker players know and memorized the entire deck of cards but I believe they really doesn't. There's still no 100 percent assurance that you can win with this, you still need  to test your luck because of failure rate to execute it. Perhaps, poker player's investment isn't card counting but the ability to read minds and expression of the other player.

As far as I know, to counter this strategy, card counting, there are casinos that use continuous shuffling of cards. Also, it is said that the guy doesn't need to be a math wizard or maybe a math teacher, as long as he can memorize the cards being dealt and can multi-task on the table, you can actually win. I think martingale would be a great one to combine but it is counting so there are times that you are sure what to bet then you make some high bets sometime too.

I will ask from a friend who is a math teacher to help me for beating the dealer in a live blackjack table. From the first look, it is not hard to learn but it is hard to master after falling many times. Overall, the edge over the house will increase and of course, our minds will be messy, just a single mistake can ruin the whole combination. Imagine combining this with martingale money management and being unsuccessful.