Card counting in black jack - page 2.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 20, 2020, 03:32:33 AM

Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.

Here's one for you.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man-who-broke-atlantic-city/308900/
Didn't really read it thoroughly, but the article doesn't seem to be lying with the fact that he beat those casinos with pure skill since the first casino he visited already had security cams analyzing his every movement to prevent any type of cheating. Card counting may be done in the mind, but it still needs obvious eye movement as well as some kind of pattern or rhythm that may be helpful to you in remembering (imo that is). That, or you can just have a perfect memory, which is almost impossible.

Although it seems like the biggest factor here was removing the edge for the house, and instead, giving it to the player. I've read some other articles, and they've also detailed about them winning on casinos not only based on skill, but also by negotiating with them on discounts and the like, they then start to break the bank of the casinos.

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 05, 2020, 04:03:58 PM

It seems very simple but does it really work ? Did someone try it ??

Bro, it's not, I'll tell you that.

It is simple if you read it like these so I need to tell you what is hard. You are being dealt with six-deck of cards, which is 312(52*6). You need to be observant and track the cards that are being dealt with, and yeah quickly memorize all of them to eliminate them in that 312 cards. Some of the videos I watched about it says it is working but it is not a 100% working strategy since they could still lose, maybe they are losing the count.

Not necessary man. You're just counting cards which on the table and after that cheking the probability to get what you need. At least i was doing in such way. Sometimes it was enough useful in poker, in pre flop/flop distribution.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on September 20, 2020, 02:39:59 AM

Every casino considers card counting in their possibilities of losing their money and gamblers win their bets.
For this reason, they are changing the decks every so and then and they are making the rounds so fast that your mind would not have the ease in counting the cards.
This becomes more difficult if you play online as you cannot expect what the deck is going to drop.

Physical casinos are very much aware of this card counting so they take all the precautionary measures that this will not be employed by gamblers who knows card counting they even ban players who know card counting and they have cctv cameras to check gamblers who are doing this, and about online blackjack casinos there is no way they can employ this, so operators have nothing to worry.

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Quote from: Astvile on September 17, 2020, 10:19:42 PM

There is only one way if this will work on you, try experimenting with small amount. But casinos will not ban card counting if that isn't effective and doesn't affect or changes the possibility of winning and losing of a player. They banned it because there are actual people who are good at it and they are making tons of money so this seem to work for some who really knows how to count cards.

Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.

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Every casino considers card counting in their possibilities of losing their money and gamblers win their bets.
For this reason, they are changing the decks every so and then and they are making the rounds so fast that your mind would not have the ease in counting the cards.
This becomes more difficult if you play online as you cannot expect what the deck is going to drop.

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Quote from: coin-investor on September 20, 2020, 01:17:31 AM

Goof for young people who can retain their memory but how about those aged people who has a lot of issues in life, card counting is not for everyone, and you need a very high concentration and focus, you practice this almost every waking hour, I would not even think of doing this and there's a chance to get caught because physical gambling casinos prohibit this.

The thing with card counting is also that casinos are looking for people who exploit it and might ban you. If you stand for 1h behind a black jack table just looking very concentrated you will definitely alert the casino security. And if you then suddenly when the odds are in your favour sit down at the table and start playing for the maximum buy in, I would assume the casino asks you kindly to leave and not come back to their casino. That is why most card counters work in teams and use disguises.

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Quote from: MCobian on September 16, 2020, 08:42:03 AM

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

Goof for young people who can retain their memory but how about those aged people who has a lot of issues in life, card counting is not for everyone, and you need a very high concentration and focus, you practice this almost every waking hour, I would not even think of doing this and there's a chance to get caught because physical gambling casinos prohibit this.

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Quote from: Astvile on September 17, 2020, 10:19:42 PM

There is only one way if this will work on you, try experimenting with small amount. But casinos will not ban card counting if that isn't effective and doesn't affect or changes the possibility of winning and losing of a player. They banned it because there are actual people who are good at it and they are making tons of money so this seem to work for some who really knows how to count cards.

I think you'll find the Casino's dealers will be keeping a mental note of who is winning and loosing (and it comes back to how many decks, deck changes, dealer changes occur while you are sitting there).

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There is only one way if this will work on you, try experimenting with small amount. But casinos will not ban card counting if that isn't effective and doesn't affect or changes the possibility of winning and losing of a player. They banned it because there are actual people who are good at it and they are making tons of money so this seem to work for some who really knows how to count cards.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on September 17, 2020, 02:51:21 PM

Its not really simple as we see because we need to keep all the counts and also more the decks then the harder it is going to be.As far as I know this strategy is banned in every casinos and people will keep watching even your expression if you keep winning the bets and they can throw you out with this reason.

If the strategy is effective in blackjack to win then casino must have already taken measures for this to happen.

Hmmm. As I read more above that the strategy in card counting could be not effective anymore because casino were smart and use more decks to counter this strategy.

In my own opinion card counting strategy would only be a guide and not really the way it should be follow. For examole you had already held good card then why need to follow the strategy when you think you can win already? This can change the game and this is why card counting would not really be effective but it could be use as a guide to win the game.

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Its not really simple as we see because we need to keep all the counts and also more the decks then the harder it is going to be.As far as I know this strategy is banned in every casinos and people will keep watching even your expression if you keep winning the bets and they can throw you out with this reason.

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its cool that this strat was so popular and it ended up with its own movie . no casino owner will not recognized that so prolly they already came up with strat to make this counting strat impossible to work . on the past when the counting strat isnt yet popular , gamblers that knows it are lucky because they probably win alot that time .

it is still possible to win today but the game now would only be depend mostly by luck and not by skill

Popularity of this strategy made casino owners to add more decks, it's the way they fight against card-counters. With more decks
chances for a card-counter to be accurate in his predictions are minimal, under zero probably. Nothing last forever, gambling
strategies are good for some time, but that suits casinos, people spend a lot of money in searching for perfect strategy!

That's right, Logically house will not allow that to happened. It's a business so for sure adjustment will be done to make
sure that the business won't suffer if such strategy exist.
Casino always find ways to make sure that the gambler will not easily find anything that will bring them advantages.
Most of the time, casino allow those gamblers to believe that they can beat the house only to find out in the end that
house played well with emotions and leave gamblers empty handed in the end.

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Quote from: MCobian on September 16, 2020, 08:42:03 AM

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its cool that this strat was so popular and it ended up with its own movie . no casino owner will not recognized that so prolly they already came up with strat to make this counting strat impossible to work . on the past when the counting strat isnt yet popular , gamblers that knows it are lucky because they probably win alot that time .

it is still possible to win today but the game now would only be depend mostly by luck and not by skill

Popularity of this strategy made casino owners to add more decks, it's the way they fight against card-counters. With more decks
chances for a card-counter to be accurate in his predictions are minimal, under zero probably. Nothing last forever, gambling
strategies are good for some time, but that suits casinos, people spend a lot of money in searching for perfect strategy!

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Quote from: fiulpro on September 05, 2020, 04:03:58 PM

It seems very simple but does it really work ? Did someone try it ??

I can't vouch for my self but I have seen cases where people get banned on a casino or ask to leave the casino if they were caught card counting and basing on how the casino owners respond to card counting it seems that it works and if the person who is card counting is left alone they have a higher chance of losing to the gambler.

If that so, you better not try.
It can be working or not but the problem is that this trick is not accepted in casinos and it finds that it was cheating against them. Actually, casinos make things to take advantage of the players (really unfair). They don't want to lose and so they don't want every gambler will trick them. But I'm not sure how it helps to increases our chance to win against the house, we already know it before it starts.

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It's not simple at all, because casinos often use an unknown number of decks, which makes it difficult to keep track of how many outs have been removed from the deck.

If you're a mathematical savant, then you might be able to keep up if the casino is only using 3 or 4 decks, but you'll soon start struggling above that.

I don't think anybody really uses this system anymore, given that most casinos now have automatic card shuffling machines and are always bringing in fresh decks.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on September 16, 2020, 01:43:49 PM

That would be really hard, for sure. You can't memorize all of the cards alone even with 100% concentration and zero distraction since first of all, you are in a casino, you will never be able to hit that 100% concentration that easily and second of all, if you are dealing with 5-6 deck of cards and its continuously shuffled. Most of the casinos hate counting because as they've said, you are gaining an edge.

Yes, it would be really hard, this can be done if you really can memorize so much at once or maybe if you have enough company to do it with you. Also, this is really hard to do since the casino can easily know if you are card counting even if you try to hide it because they all know how to deal with this kind of situation.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on September 16, 2020, 11:24:48 AM

Quote from: MCobian on September 16, 2020, 08:42:03 AM

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It is, you need 100% concentration and zero distraction I don't know how these people do it but it's more of countless hours of practice and of course, you also need luck, luck that you have a good state of mind to give 100% concentration and zero distractions I read in one article that it's illegal, so you are actually doing it without anybody noticing it.

That would be really hard, for sure. You can't memorize all of the cards alone even with 100% concentration and zero distraction since first of all, you are in a casino, you will never be able to hit that 100% concentration that easily and second of all, if you are dealing with 5-6 deck of cards and its continuously shuffled. Most of the casinos hate counting because as they've said, you are gaining an edge.

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Quote from: Mauser on September 16, 2020, 01:10:56 PM

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on September 16, 2020, 11:24:48 AM

Quote from: MCobian on September 16, 2020, 08:42:03 AM

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It is, you need 100% concentration and zero distraction I don't know how these people do it but it's more of countless hours of practice and of course, you also need luck, luck that you have a good state of mind to give 100% concentration and zero distractions I read in one article that it's illegal, so you are actually doing it without anybody noticing it.

I don't think you can do it alone it's just too much work for one person. Just because you are counting a deck doesn't mean that the odds will be in your favour. It might be that you watch a table for 1h and it's still not enough odds in your favour to start actually playing. Most people who were successful in card counting had a hole team working on it. It's best to have 2-3 spotter just to find the best deck for you, and you want to stay relaxed and fresh yourself until you actually start playing. The game can be quite fast with many people playing on a table.

Although I haven’t done this card counting before, I really agree with your point here. Observing the movement in the deck by yourself would be exhausting and can cause confusion when your concentration is hampered. As they say having a team is better than playing solo.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on September 16, 2020, 11:24:48 AM

Quote from: MCobian on September 16, 2020, 08:42:03 AM

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It is, you need 100% concentration and zero distraction I don't know how these people do it but it's more of countless hours of practice and of course, you also need luck, luck that you have a good state of mind to give 100% concentration and zero distractions I read in one article that it's illegal, so you are actually doing it without anybody noticing it.

I don't think you can do it alone it's just too much work for one person. Just because you are counting a deck doesn't mean that the odds will be in your favour. It might be that you watch a table for 1h and it's still not enough odds in your favour to start actually playing. Most people who were successful in card counting had a hole team working on it. It's best to have 2-3 spotter just to find the best deck for you, and you want to stay relaxed and fresh yourself until you actually start playing. The game can be quite fast with many people playing on a table.

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Quote from: MCobian on September 16, 2020, 08:42:03 AM

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It is, you need 100% concentration and zero distraction I don't know how these people do it but it's more of countless hours of practice and of course, you also need luck, luck that you have a good state of mind to give 100% concentration and zero distractions I read in one article that it's illegal, so you are actually doing it without anybody noticing it.

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