Card Counting in Blackjack - page 2.

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Quote from: erikoy on October 20, 2020, 07:43:36 AM

Quote from: bitzizzix on October 13, 2020, 06:55:30 AM

Yes, the casino won't care if the winnings are always on your side and during the game you still have small losses and have more wins.
But if you continue to win every game and never lose, chances are the casino will act and be investigated with suspicion and there will be follow-up that could hurt you because every casino has rules.
for whatever reason the house will always win and reign.

They are doing it as business and to the players a gambling or game to be played by staking money wanting to get or the desired results.

Card counting for me is not really effective for the players to win besides the casino had made things to counter this by adding more decks in the table. The card counting could no longer add a little percentage of winning the game. Sad but no way for casino to lose in gambling after all they are earning because of it in exchange for fun a d excitement to the gamblers playing blackjack.

Yeah if the casino wasn't gleaning a slight edge on every single bet the whole endeavor would be a losing battle for them and they wouldn't be able to afford the lights, staff, free alcohol and such. I think the only game I have ever seen that is pure 50/50 as luck was "War" - I was surprised to see that game. It had a $500 table limit, but I was able to make a quick $400 betting $25 and doubling on fails.

With the multidecks in the shoe and the splitting, card cutting has become essentially impossible so you're back below 50/50. Roulette has about the same odds and that is still worse than 50/50.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on October 13, 2020, 06:55:30 AM

Yes, the casino won't care if the winnings are always on your side and during the game you still have small losses and have more wins.
But if you continue to win every game and never lose, chances are the casino will act and be investigated with suspicion and there will be follow-up that could hurt you because every casino has rules.
for whatever reason the house will always win and reign.

They are doing it as business and to the players a gambling or game to be played by staking money wanting to get or the desired results.

Card counting for me is not really effective for the players to win besides the casino had made things to counter this by adding more decks in the table. The card counting could no longer add a little percentage of winning the game. Sad but no way for casino to lose in gambling after all they are earning because of it in exchange for fun a d excitement to the gamblers playing blackjack.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 12, 2020, 11:20:57 PM

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

Do you seriously say that? Have you ever played blackjack in live casinos? Well, I'll still explain.
First of all, in live casinos, they play with 8 decks in the shoe. From these eight decks, only four plays. So, from 416 cards, approximately 208 plays and sometimes it happens like even less or more, it depends on the shuffler. Card shuffle quality is controlled, so, for this reason, shufflers try to put the cutting card in the front and not back to the middle. It results in playing even fewer cards, nearly 170-200. So this action even lessens your chance to count cards. It has zero idea to count cards in live blackjack. Also, there are risk analysts there who sit and have a look at players behaviours. Not only that, shuffle quality is always monitored and if it happened like shuffle quality in the certain round is very, very low, then the game can be cancelled and players get refunded.

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I'm not sure if this is still applicable in our time now because gambling company now are more stricter than before.
and specially in Online gambling when the computer is involve in managing the strategy we are doing.
i have been doing this style in our friendly game here in our place when counting cards are really indeed can be done specially if your opponent is not hustler and has no much knowledge in such thing.

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You're not going to make much card counting unless you move the higher limit tables where you can press when you know you have favorable odds. I've counted cards in the past. You'll always want to move to a high limit table when you think you're above the 50% chance that the dealer will bust.

It's not illegal to count cards (at least big Las Vegas casinos0. Most casinos even give you a little cheat sheet if you ask them which shows you roughly when to hit or stand. They just won't let you go past the red rope area if you are doing so. I knew most of pit bosses at Bellagio and they weren't as nice to me when I played BJ, but when I switched to craps all of sudden I could go to the 5K tables haha.

Online casino, forget about counting since it's probably reset after every deal.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on October 18, 2020, 08:54:10 AM

Well I guess, if you think this works, you wouldn't share it with us. No hard feelings, but this is just theory if you can't execute it.

I'd like to ask, were you able to execute this strategy in a live online poker casino already?
What was the outcome? Were you able to win against the house without being caught doing the card counting strategy?

Give us an interesting insight. Something that happened already. Anyways, the casino staff is skilled to monitor your behavior. They have plenty of ways to catch you cheating. A suggestion, always check your agreement with the site.

To answer your question whether it is usable there are documented cases where card counting is executable, they even made a movie about it. What do you mean poker casino? We are talking about black jack here dude. Anyway, I have done some research if the strategy is effective online and the probability of a constant win online is low.

Why the hell would the casino care about your behavior when you are playing, that makes them look sour just because you are winning. The only acceptable reason the staff is watching you is because you look like a creep or a good for nothing who will cause a ruckus in the casino.

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Quote from: Viscore on October 19, 2020, 05:15:24 PM

Quote from: seleme on October 19, 2020, 04:59:04 PM

It is almost impossible to count the card with 8 decks, so I don't think there is an advantage to waste time with live BJ games. Evolution gaming provider have a lots of live BJ tables and few Youtubers have tried to use card counting, as expected they busted after 3 hours of consecutive losses. If there was an big edge, the other pro gamblers have tried and shared the results with us. I don't see any reason to learn the card counting with advanced math skills.

A legendary can make it but no one has that skills and yes, that is very impossible.

I pressume such a trick won't actually work this time and I don't think either that casinos will take that advantage as well over their players.
Winning from this game will depend on luck and skill, not by counting it. It for sure casinos have some knowledge about this and they have already anticipating such a thing.

I watched the movie "The Hangover 1" where there's a scene which they actually used this strategy, that's way back 2009 but the gambling house are already strict during that time, for sure, it's more Stricter now both online and offline. House will simply watch you out and the behaviors of your activities once they've seen any signs of using this strategy, you'll be risking your bankroll as any moment house can freeze you up and accuse you for cheating the game.

better to play aiming to find some luck and enjoy your stay than losing just because being pointed using this system.

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Quote from: seleme on October 19, 2020, 04:59:04 PM

It is almost impossible to count the card with 8 decks, so I don't think there is an advantage to waste time with live BJ games. Evolution gaming provider have a lots of live BJ tables and few Youtubers have tried to use card counting, as expected they busted after 3 hours of consecutive losses. If there was an big edge, the other pro gamblers have tried and shared the results with us. I don't see any reason to learn the card counting with advanced math skills.

A legendary can make it but no one has that skills and yes, that is very impossible.

I pressume such a trick won't actually work this time and I don't think either that casinos will take that advantage as well over their players.
Winning from this game will depend on luck and skill, not by counting it. It for sure casinos have some knowledge about this and they have already anticipating such a thing.

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It is almost impossible to count the card with 8 decks, so I don't think there is an advantage to waste time with live BJ games. Evolution gaming provider have a lots of live BJ tables and few Youtubers have tried to use card counting, as expected they busted after 3 hours of consecutive losses. If there was an big edge, the other pro gamblers have tried and shared the results with us. I don't see any reason to learn the card counting with advanced math skills.

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Quote from: coincruncher1982 on October 19, 2020, 01:36:00 PM

Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 12, 2020, 11:20:57 PM

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos.

As others have pointed out, card counting does not work in online casinos. The deck is shuffled after every round.

Edit: Unless you are referring to the "video stream" online blackjack where it's a physical deck of cards. That may be possible to card count on as long as they don't shuffle the deck(s) in a shoe too frequently. But even there I have strong doubts. These live stream gambling services aren't naive.

Live blackjack online might be work for the card counting but you have to face the consequences of that since the house are more strict online because they can easily trace those who are cheating the game and the result of this might be worst than what you think. As I’ve said, this is not a good strategy and you are risking yourself just to get the easy money that you want, beside you must be good in counting which is too hard to master.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 12, 2020, 11:20:57 PM

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos.

As others have pointed out, card counting does not work in online casinos. The deck is shuffled after every round.

Edit: Unless you are referring to the "video stream" online blackjack where it's a physical deck of cards. That may be possible to card count on as long as they don't shuffle the deck(s) in a shoe too frequently. But even there I have strong doubts. These live stream gambling services aren't naive.

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I remember the time I was hung up on the card counting thing the reason was the movie , hangover. Then I thought it was supposed to be a faux and tried to actually search regarding it. Card counting is being used since decades. But it's just a mathematical trick to increase your chances of winning. Just like we use probability to see if we will have higher odds of winning the thing.

One should know that :

Card counting is not illegal but it's definitely frowned upon in most casinos. But if you do it without being caught then for sure you can win huge sums of money and at the same time if you are playing black jack online , you need to know what card counting is !!

While in an offline casino , be non obvious, it's just +/- that anyone can master with some time.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 13, 2020, 06:50:21 PM

Quote from: Jating on October 13, 2020, 06:06:18 AM

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How easy it was to cheat here. I am pretty sure very few people will notice it and those who will notice it, they will not have enough proof to prove it too since no one is keeping their screencast software on while they are playing online.

Considering this example one thing we can say: The dealer knows the order of the cards.

Here is another thing to notice or to know.

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Is this a camera or something that is displaying the card before putting it on the deck? How would we know that they are not using it against the customers?
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I assumed that those were readers to ensure that the card was untapped but, to be honest right now, I(or maybe we) honestly don't know.

also, I was searching around. it seems that the name of the company of the dealer was Global Gaming Labs (GGL). and was fired by the gambling site after learning about this incident and since then hired a new company to provide live gambling on their website but then the question is if this new company hired by the gambling will not do the same thing as the previous company. I found this information on this article https://professionalrakeback.com/betonline-blackjackgate

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Well I guess, if you think this works, you wouldn't share it with us. No hard feelings, but this is just theory if you can't execute it.

I'd like to ask, were you able to execute this strategy in a live online poker casino already?
What was the outcome? Were you able to win against the house without being caught doing the card counting strategy?

Give us an interesting insight. Something that happened already. Anyways, the casino staff is skilled to monitor your behavior. They have plenty of ways to catch you cheating. A suggestion, always check your agreement with the site.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 18, 2020, 06:20:27 AM

The reason I replied like that is the answer I was looking for is already answered. Why lock the thread when other members can post their thoughts regarding the topic. I believe that there are more ideas surrounding this topic could be posted in this thread.

Well, that is right. Let me share my idea too.
For me, if this strategy still works today, then we must expect that this scheme is dead. But if not, --then the counters for this are already there. If I were managing a casino, I would not invest my time effort, and money to have this scheme that I know I will be losing. Not even interested to put some time to bust people who will take advantage of it. I would simply remove it from my list then earn more profit without a headache. Just play blackjack that did not taking advantage of others.

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Quote from: rodskee on October 18, 2020, 02:48:32 AM

If you think that this thread is already done (As what you said new replies are parroted from other posters) then why not Lock this thread?

you are the Thread creator so you can just easily Lock this then there will no other spam in future.

On your lower left you can see the Lock option so the thread will be done properly because you cannot prevent posters from putting their answers here.

The reason I replied like that is the answer I was looking for is already answered. Why lock the thread when other members can post their thoughts regarding the topic. I believe that there are more ideas surrounding this topic could be posted in this thread.

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Quote from: Mauser on October 18, 2020, 03:58:31 AM

Quote from: mindrust on October 18, 2020, 03:14:13 AM

If you are getting banned (from either an online or a real life casino) for counting cards while playing blackjack, either you should call your lawyer press charges, or blackjack needs to get removed as a game because it seems to me it has a serious bug.

I mean, how the fck one can tell you that you counted cards?

When he does,

How can you be sure that he is not saying that to block your legitimate win?

If counting the cards breaks blackjack, then blackjack shouldn't exist because it is flawed design.

Good luck with pressing charges against a casino for removing you from their casino. It's a private proverty, their place, they make up the rules. You have no chance against it. When playing their games you agree to their rules. I don't see any chances of winning against a big casino. Also they have plenty of lawyers ready for such issues, while you will have to hire one yourself and pay for it. Not sure if that is such good idea afterall.

Black Jack is a profitable game for casino, I don't think they wan't to remove it. And with more advanced shuffling systems around it's getting harder for us to exploit the system. Afterall card counting is helping us to shift the odds in our favor. We shouldn't pressure casinos into removing the game.

I know it is not a good idea.

My main idea is, stop playing blackjack.

If you are going to play it you are just giving the casino a free "you can rob me" card. It is just like the KYC scam they press on the players.

You can get banned for playing legit and they can just tell you that you counted the cards as an excuse and it is impossible to prove otherwise.

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Quote from: mindrust on October 18, 2020, 03:14:13 AM

If you are getting banned (from either an online or a real life casino) for counting cards while playing blackjack, either you should call your lawyer press charges, or blackjack needs to get removed as a game because it seems to me it has a serious bug.

I mean, how the fck one can tell you that you counted cards?

When he does,

How can you be sure that he is not saying that to block your legitimate win?

If counting the cards breaks blackjack, then blackjack shouldn't exist because it is flawed design.

Good luck with pressing charges against a casino for removing you from their casino. It's a private proverty, their place, they make up the rules. You have no chance against it. When playing their games you agree to their rules. I don't see any chances of winning against a big casino. Also they have plenty of lawyers ready for such issues, while you will have to hire one yourself and pay for it. Not sure if that is such good idea afterall.

Black Jack is a profitable game for casino, I don't think they wan't to remove it. And with more advanced shuffling systems around it's getting harder for us to exploit the system. Afterall card counting is helping us to shift the odds in our favor. We shouldn't pressure casinos into removing the game.

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If you are getting banned (from either an online or a real life casino) for counting cards while playing blackjack, either you should call your lawyer press charges, or blackjack needs to get removed as a game because it seems to me it has a serious bug.

I mean, how the fck one can tell you that you counted cards?

When he does,

How can you be sure that he is not saying that to block your legitimate win?

If counting the cards breaks blackjack, then blackjack shouldn't exist because it is flawed design.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 18, 2020, 01:36:05 AM

You are saying the same thing as the other poster had already said to be honest. I posted a reply regarding card counting in online casino and it seems that you haven't seen it. I thought this thread is done already because most new replies are just a parroted sentence of early posters.

If you think that this thread is already done (As what you said new replies are parroted from other posters) then why not Lock this thread?

you are the Thread creator so you can just easily Lock this then there will no other spam in future.

On your lower left you can see the Lock option so the thread will be done properly because you cannot prevent posters from putting their answers here.

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