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Quote from: aioc on October 13, 2020, 05:54:43 AM

Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 13, 2020, 02:51:10 AM

I do not believe that casinos will just ban someone because they are winning. They do not care about you winning as long as you are losing in a patterned basis.

They will be suspicious if you continue to win, they are always on the watch on gamblers that they think has unusual activity, you will be exposed if you have ten continuous win in a row, I agree that they do not care about your winning as long as you have a losing pattern also, you cannot make something so obvious.

Yes, the casino won't care if the winnings are always on your side and during the game you still have small losses and have more wins.
But if you continue to win every game and never lose, chances are the casino will act and be investigated with suspicion and there will be follow-up that could hurt you because every casino has rules.
for whatever reason the house will always win and reign.

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It is already expected by the casino to create such more option not to get any advantage from gamblers doing card counting. Though card counting was not really proven that effective but still one could manage to win in the game.

However, since these card counting was already introduce long time ago the casino now had provided to repel this kind of strategy and that is by providing another deck of cards as OP suggested. So? everything has change now winning is still the house edge advantage and to gambling black jack still luck, good decision making will be able for them to win in the game and able to take home some profits. Depending on how lucky a gambler playing black jack will but I admit that black jack is one an exciting card games in the casino.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 13, 2020, 02:51:10 AM

The claim that there will be a security is an overstatement and an exaggeration. As if an individual will bankrupt the house by just winning in blackjack, there is a reason why there is a variety in casino games. If you want to practice and you put effort into it, I think you can be good at it and do not treat it like a heist movie where you form an Oceans Eleven squad. If you know what you are doing then you can pull it off alone. I do not believe that casinos will just ban someone because they are winning. They do not care about you winning as long as you are losing in a patterned basis.

I am not saying that you will get busted a 100%, but the risks are pretty high in my opinion. Counting cards is banned by casinos and the security staff is trained to spot people exploiting it. Winning on the table doesn't make you suspicious, but standing behind the table and counting the deck is. Also working alone makes it so much harder, because just by counting cards doesn't mean it's a guaranteed win. You can be counting the stack for 30 minutes without it getting it in your favour. That's why there are usually a few spotters working together, screening a lot of tables to find the best one.

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I'm not really sure if people here are familiar with this cheating in an online black jack.

So it's possible that even if you go on live betting, online site will fine a way to beat you if you are doing card counting. So I would say that it is not applicable to card count in online casino. And the more you think you can trick and thinking that you can won big against them, the more money can you lose chasing that 'dream' of yours.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 13, 2020, 02:51:10 AM

I do not believe that casinos will just ban someone because they are winning. They do not care about you winning as long as you are losing in a patterned basis.

They will be suspicious if you continue to win, they are always on the watch on gamblers that they think has unusual activity, you will be exposed if you have ten continuous win in a row, I agree that they do not care about your winning as long as you have a losing pattern also, you cannot make something so obvious.

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Quote from: Mauser on October 13, 2020, 02:36:38 AM

I think it's very hard to card count in black jack these days. Going to a physical casino alone without a team is almost impossible. It is very suspicious if you are standing behind a table and just count the deck for 20 minutes and then suddenly jump on the table at start betting the maximum amount. Security will be pretty much be on top of you within the first hour of gambling and you just end up being banned from the casino. With a group of people - multiple spotter - at least 2 gamblers - 1-2 decoys - and a good exit strategy it might be possible.

The claim that there will be a security is an overstatement and an exaggeration. As if an individual will bankrupt the house by just winning in blackjack, there is a reason why there is a variety in casino games. If you want to practice and you put effort into it, I think you can be good at it and do not treat it like a heist movie where you form an Oceans Eleven squad. If you know what you are doing then you can pull it off alone. I do not believe that casinos will just ban someone because they are winning. They do not care about you winning as long as you are losing in a patterned basis.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 12, 2020, 11:20:57 PM

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

How to count cards in blackjack link:https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/

I think it's very hard to card count in black jack these days. Going to a physical casino alone without a team is almost impossible. It is very suspicious if you are standing behind a table and just count the deck for 20 minutes and then suddenly jump on the table at start betting the maximum amount. Security will be pretty much be on top of you within the first hour of gambling and you just end up being banned from the casino. With a group of people - multiple spotter - at least 2 gamblers - 1-2 decoys - and a good exit strategy it might be possible.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 12, 2020, 11:24:34 PM

This is very old technique and these days you can not make big money with this. House will catch you and will ban you from their casino. Even you will end up beaten by them badly.

Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 12, 2020, 11:20:57 PM

I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do.

It's easier for them to ban you online than in a physical casino.

This is not an easy strategy on Blackjack and you must be very professional for you not to get caught. This is consider as illegal by casinos and the gambling site so if you don't want to get caught better not to try it and just enjoy the game, don't be greedy to win against the house, because its hard to beat them. I don't mind losing money on blackjack as long as I'm having fun, this is better than to get banned and I've watched a movie about this one, they succeeded at first but being greedy put them on a big trap.

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Actually,,, card counting is illegal in many casinos. Even online, if you see the Terms of Service, there is a always included a small term that talks about "recreational players" only, and I have come to know that this means people who just play for fun, card counters, if they are found out, are asked to leave the casinos. Same as online if they find out there are "professional" players then they are asked to close account and leave.

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The casinos will not play at a loss so the online casino card counting practice will not work for sure. In a gambling house this practice works, but you must count cards very quickly so that you don't get suspicious of counting.

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There are some live casinos that are played through video streaming where the table operator and cards are real. But they mostly use automatic shuffler machines which hides the cards while it shuffles. And they also use a different card deck for every games.
For completely online platforms, the game is virtual, though they are provably fair, the shuffle is just an animation and it's all random, there are no actual card counting on virtual casinos.

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https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/card-counting-online/

The link above says that card counting is inefficient in online casinos. They pretty crush down card counters. It seems that card counters has finally found their match. I apologize if I thought that it can be used for online ones. The only online that it will work might be those live blackjack and those can be shitty games because the house can cheat the players with the cards that they are dealing with.

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I doubt if this is effective in online casinos. There is no way to tell if cards are reshuffled every round or even how many decks are used on the table, there is no way to verify that.

I've watched a movie about this kind of scheme in land based casino and it looks awesome and I think this needs a lot of practice, and as you have mentioned casinos are aware of this scheme that is why they made sure they will do all means to make this kind of technique less effective.

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This has been discussed several other times but I think you are referring to physical offline casinos in your thread.Not many people except in Las Vegas go to offline casinos nowadays and this solution only applies there.In online casinos the game is software controlled and you don’t know how many decks they are using so count carding for me does not work in online casinos.

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The card counting game would not be easier even if you do it online.

As mentioned in the article, the problem for players here is when the casino uses a continuous shuffle machine. They do not need to see your face live but they will make it impossible for you to count. You can find more reasons why it's going to be difficult in this video by blackjackapprenticeship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPvxe40Nr20 It is also mentioned in the video that legitimate card counters don't even try to beat online casinos since the playing conditions are too poor and not worth their time.

Quote from: TravelMug on October 12, 2020, 11:54:52 PM

.... But in online casinos, we don't know how the cards are shuffle....

He probably means watching a live dealer from the comfort of your home.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 12, 2020, 11:24:34 PM

This is very old technique and these days you can not make big money with this. House will catch you and will ban you from their casino. Even you will end up beaten by them badly.

If someone beats you up because you are card counting then you can pursue legal actions because card counting is legal and it is a subjective thing. That is why I said in my post that someone might be having a lucky day. That casino you might be playing on is illegal if they are beating you up. It is old but it is reliable if you know how to do it.

Quote from: TravelMug on October 12, 2020, 11:54:52 PM

For online we don't see that, and then there's the element of RNG (random) that is on their side. They can shuffle every x deal, or not. So I don't think the card counting will be effective in online games.

If you know how many decks there is in the shoe, you can see if you will be winning. There is no RNG in blackjack because there is a fixed number of cards in the deck maybe the chances are what you are talking about. It is unfair for people to just kick you out or ban you because you are winning.

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I don't know, if this is going to be effective online though, of course in a landbase casino, you can try this trick and obviously it will work and perfectly legal. But in online casinos, we don't know how the cards are shuffle. In a traditional base casinos, you can see in the beginning how the dealer shuffles x amount of decks of cards and then put in it shoe.

For online we don't see that, and then there's the element of RNG (random) that is on their side. They can shuffle every x deal, or not. So I don't think the card counting will be effective in online games.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 12, 2020, 11:20:57 PM

I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do.

It's easier for them to ban you online than in a physical casino.

why will they ban you when they cant witness your appearance unless its live ? why cant they just consider that it was a normal win . banning players because they win or they can win often is verry unprofessional . but will this strat work online when you dont know if they are using a same deck and distribute all the cards acordingly, unless again if its live and you can see the whole action goin on clearly .

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This is very old technique and these days you can not make big money with this. House will catch you and will ban you from their casino. Even you will end up beaten by them badly.

Quote from: Lorence.xD on October 12, 2020, 11:20:57 PM

I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do.

It's easier for them to ban you online than in a physical casino.

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The basics of card counting is that you assign values from 1, 0, to -1 for each card and adding the value of revealed cards to know if you have the odds in your favor for the next game.

2 to 6 is equal to 1, 7 to 9 is equal to 0 and 10 to Ace is equal to -1. The card counting technique is complex so I will leave a link.

Casinos have policies regarding this card counter schemes, blackjack having the lowest house edge needs to be supervised because card counters. It is not illegal or cheating but a casino has to earn and they will do anything in their power to prevent losses from card counters.

Here are some of the solutions that casinos employ.

Solution 1: When casinos detect that someone is card counting(i.e. 100 bet now then suddenly 1000 bet). They will make a rule where players can't change their bet for the next round.
Solution 2: They use 4 decks or 7 decks instead of the standard 6 deck shoe.
Solution 3: The casino can call the police for trespassing which is shitty, if the house rules indicates that no card counting and you are caught card counting. This is not a good solution because it might be someones lucky day.
Solution 4: They use automatic shuffler so you will have less confidence in your card counting skills

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

How to count cards in blackjack link:https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/

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