Casimero vs Rigondeaux this August 14, 2021 - page 20.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 05, 2021, 09:18:54 PM

I am for John Riel Casimero in this match. I would have easily chosen Guillermo Rigondeaux had this fight been staged during his peak. I was a fan of this guy's unbelievable speed even though I still find many of his fights a little boring. But he's an old man now.

The last time I saw Rigondeaux fight was when he was defeated by Loma. I know he scored a couple of knockout wins later on but I don't think he still got it. Casimero, on the other hand, is on a KO streak since 2018.

That's a good point, Casimero is one of the hottest boxers now, an underrated boxer but could win against a champion. I would also pick him in this fight, no doubt he could win and might win a KO here. The last loss of Rigondeaux was TKO because he did not continue, this could be his 2nd KO, but hopefully not in a manner he lost against Loma.

We expect a good fight, Casimero had a tougher challenge compared to Inoue... This is a statement that Casimero is not afraid of anyone, besides he is not undefeated so there's nothing to be worried about, being a great boxer does not automatically mean you are undefeated, for me, you are called great if you are exciting to watch, that's why people choose Pacquiao vs Mayweather.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 05, 2021, 09:18:54 PM

I am for John Riel Casimero in this match. I would have easily chosen Guillermo Rigondeaux had this fight been staged during his peak. I was a fan of this guy's unbelievable speed even though I still find many of his fights a little boring. But he's an old man now.

The last time I saw Rigondeaux fight was when he was defeated by Loma. I know he scored a couple of knockout wins later on but I don't think he still got it. Casimero, on the other hand, is on a KO streak since 2018.

That's a good point, Casimero is one of the hottest boxers now, an underrated boxer but could win against a champion. I would also pick him in this fight, no doubt he could win and might win a KO here. The last loss of Rigondeaux was TKO because he did not continue, this could be his 2nd KO, but hopefully not in a manner he lost against Loma.

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I am for John Riel Casimero in this match. I would have easily chosen Guillermo Rigondeaux had this fight been staged during his peak. I was a fan of this guy's unbelievable speed even though I still find many of his fights a little boring. But he's an old man now.

The last time I saw Rigondeaux fight was when he was defeated by Loma. I know he scored a couple of knockout wins later on but I don't think he still got it. Casimero, on the other hand, is on a KO streak since 2018.

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 05, 2021, 04:53:53 PM

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Rigondeaux got a good standing and the same as Casimero. But I'm still not yet familiar with Rigondeaux's fighting style but his record tells one thing, that he's also a good fighter as Casimero.

You should watch some youtube highlights of his, for sure you'll be amaze how good he is defensively and at the same time, I'm afraid you'll feel bored on his boxing style.

Yes, that's what I'm about to do.

Quote from: Sanitough on May 05, 2021, 04:53:53 PM

I'm thinking, if Casimero beat Tete, there's no reason he can't beat Rigondeaux here, but I'm telling you, Casimero won't get the odds of the heavy favorites here. By saying "heavy", for me it means odds like 3/1 and up.

Thanks for that hint, that's why before betting on this match, I'll make sure that I've got enough analysis and I would take advises from other people like you who have better understanding for both fighters.

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Quote from: tabas on May 05, 2021, 04:44:57 PM

Rigondeaux got a good standing and the same as Casimero. But I'm still not yet familiar with Rigondeaux's fighting style but his record tells one thing, that he's also a good fighter as Casimero.

You should watch some youtube highlights of his, for sure you'll be amaze how good he is defensively and at the same time, I'm afraid you'll feel bored on his boxing style.

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Well, Casimero is a Filipino Fighter same as Manny Pacquiao --their pride is enough to take advantage and win against any contenders.

But in boxing, pride is not enough. You need strength to fulfill the pride.

They're known for it and I agree it's not enough but the usual thing, training and experience makes them strong fighters.

I'm thinking, if Casimero beat Tete, there's no reason he can't beat Rigondeaux here, but I'm telling you, Casimero won't get the odds of the heavy favorites here. By saying "heavy", for me it means odds like 3/1 and up.

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Rigondeaux got a good standing and the same as Casimero. But I'm still not yet familiar with Rigondeaux's fighting style but his record tells one thing, that he's also a good fighter as Casimero.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on May 05, 2021, 03:08:45 PM

Well, Casimero is a Filipino Fighter same as Manny Pacquiao --their pride is enough to take advantage and win against any contenders.

But in boxing, pride is not enough. You need strength to fulfill the pride.

They're known for it and I agree it's not enough but the usual thing, training and experience makes them strong fighters.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on May 05, 2021, 03:08:45 PM

Well, Casimero is a Filipino Fighter same as Manny Pacquiao --their pride is enough to take advantage and win against any contenders.

But in boxing, pride is not enough. You need strength to fulfill the pride.

Knowing Casimero, he's an aggressive boxer so I don't question his offensive firepower. But since Rigondeaux will likely shift into defense more, Casimero just needs to be cautious to cover the hole that might be used as an opening by his opponent. A lucky shot always has a chance to strike.

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Well, Casimero is a Filipino Fighter same as Manny Pacquiao --their pride is enough to take advantage and win against any contenders.
In this match, I would choose Casimero and I think he will be in favor of sports bookmakers. Their experience is too far. Casimero has all it takes to win. Rigo on the other side is a very boring fighter, I agree with you all here. This match will not become that mainstream. There are not many known fighters compared to others, as well. But still, a worthy fight to watch. I just hope that someday I would experience watching matches live. But that is too impossible for now because of the pandemic.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on May 04, 2021, 10:13:22 PM

Rigondeaux is ancient for a bantamweight. Officially he is 40, but he looks even older. He used to be known as a boring fighter, especially after that snoozefest against Nonito Donaire, but now that he's in decline he's become more of an action fighter.

Casimero isn't considered anything special but he is champion for a reason and I think he should win the fight based on being younger and in his prime.

Age doesn’t really matter in this match. Casimero, at a young age, has a better experience, standing, and match profile than the guy with a defense specialty. It’s been a while since Casimero holds the title and I don’t really think that Rigondeaux could earn it from him.

Try to watch the highlights of Casimero’s matches, you would be amazed how he nails the matches he had before. And honestly, I find it boring to watch Rino/El Chaca’s previous matches. Odds will surely favor Casimero here.

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Some people might think that the fight against Rigondeaux is a big test but it's not because he is a fading fighter he is not young and his last few fights showed that he is aging but he still can, Rigondeaux will come here as an underdog but who knows if he still has something left in him that can give Casimero and the boxing world a big surprised.

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Boxing is all about endurance, techniques, and power. Rigondeaux looks physically weak for me, compare to Casimero, maybe it is because of their age gap or their workout routine. With Casimeros's good boxing record and being young, I think he has the advantage in this fight if they are gonna exchange blows equally. However, I don't think Rigondeaux's body could handle so much body punch from Casimeros's, so he won't last long if that's what is gonna hit him.

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I thought that Casimero vs Inoue will happen this year, perhaps we need to wait till the covid-19 pandemic is over next year.

There's no rumor on that, the supposed to be the fight of Inoue and Casimero was already canceled, after that, they have their fights and have won them.

Yes, it was cancelled because of the pandemic, but Casimero did his part, he beat Micah.
On the part of Inoue, he won against Jason Moloney. So I think they will still collide in the future.

In the future, probably, but it looks like Bob Arum who is the promoter of Inoue is afraid of MP promotion's fighters. They were already announced, why it's canceled? Pandemic is just an excuse because there are fights that have happened during the pandemic, they can make it happen if they find a way.

Every promoter has their own style or strategy, if a promoter would not allow a certain fight, that means that is not good for the business. We have to understand that it's all go down to "business". What if Inoue loses against Casimero? That would be the end of his popularity, so they maybe are looking for an opponent that they think they have a huge chance of winning.

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I thought that Casimero vs Inoue will happen this year, perhaps we need to wait till the covid-19 pandemic is over next year.

There's no rumor on that, the supposed to be the fight of Inoue and Casimero was already canceled, after that, they have their fights and have won them.

Yes, it was cancelled because of the pandemic, but Casimero did his part, he beat Micah.
On the part of Inoue, he won against Jason Moloney. So I think they will still collide in the future.

In the future, probably, but it looks like Bob Arum who is the promoter of Inoue is afraid of MP promotion's fighters. They were already announced, why it's canceled? Pandemic is just an excuse because there are fights that have happened during the pandemic, they can make it happen if they find a way.

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Quote from: Natalim on May 04, 2021, 09:51:00 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 04, 2021, 09:29:09 PM

I thought that Casimero vs Inoue will happen this year, perhaps we need to wait till the covid-19 pandemic is over next year.

There's no rumor on that, the supposed to be the fight of Inoue and Casimero was already canceled, after that, they have their fights and have won them.

Yes, it was cancelled because of the pandemic, but Casimero did his part, he beat Micah.
On the part of Inoue, he won against Jason Moloney. So I think they will still collide in the future.

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As for this fight, good tune up for Casimero but he needs to focus and not looking over Rigo and think about Inoue fight in the future. I think Rigo even at 40 years old is still very dangerous, his straight hand is underrated, but this will be his main weapon and then his superb defense skills. Casimero will be the favorite and i do hope that there will be no upset or Rigo derailings Casimero vs Inoue.

For me this is not just a tune-up, this is a serious fight that could be as serious as Inoue, if Inoue and Rigondeaux will fight, I think the odds will also be close as Rigondeaux is a legit opponent, once a champion and he would always have that heart of a champion.

Tune up fights in the sense that Casimero needed to get busy and fight this year, otherwise he will be rusty. I disagree though, Casimero will be the favorite here. Yes, Rigo is legit, but in his last fight, he won on split decision and he is not getting any younger as well. And Casimero is battle tested, he has traveled around the world to fights and won.

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Quote from: acroman08 on May 05, 2021, 04:51:05 AM

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high odds because hes the underdog 😁
casimero is no match to him. he will not last a round against this guy. did you see what he did to donaire?
rigondeaux stopped fighting for awhile but it doesnt mean he forgets his boxing skills and he is too big for casimero.

Nah, Casimero has fought a southpaw boxer before with height and reach advantage and did pretty well in the fight. seeing Rigondeaux's fight with Lomachenko you can see that he doesn't have the same speed and power as he did 8 years ago when he fought Donaire(a great fight and an impressive win for Rigondeaux's). as for Casimero, he is in his prime and you can see that he still has his speed and power that could prove troublesome for Rigondeaux.

Right, when he fought Donaire, he was in his prime, but today at 40 years old Rigondeaux speed and power has gone for sure. Maybe his defensive instinct is there, but it will not be enough to beat a high caliber and power and aggressive boxer like Casimero. For experience, I will say both of them have the same. But Casimero has the edge here because of his superior talent and power.

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Quote from: electronicash on May 04, 2021, 09:07:50 AM

high odds because hes the underdog 😁
casimero is no match to him. he will not last a round against this guy. did you see what he did to donaire?
rigondeaux stopped fighting for awhile but it doesnt mean he forgets his boxing skills and he is too big for casimero.

Nah, Casimero has fought a southpaw boxer before with height and reach advantage and did pretty well in the fight. seeing Rigondeaux's fight with Lomachenko you can see that he doesn't have the same speed and power as he did 8 years ago when he fought Donaire(a great fight and an impressive win for Rigondeaux's). as for Casimero, he is in his prime and you can see that he still has his speed and power that could prove troublesome for Rigondeaux.

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~snip~
Casimero record :
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/421916 (30 wins - 4 loses)

Rigondeaux record :
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/492989 (20 wins - 1 loss)

^ Record shows that Casimero has more fights and more wins and it would probably he will be the possible winner in this match.
If you will look into their personal stats, Rigondeaux has more inactive days than his opponent which means probably he did not have active into boxing activity. And also age it seems he is also older than Casimero, at age of 40 will probably a good sign to stop your boxing career. However, this is only my personal opinion. I will go in Casimero here, it seems he will be got high odds.

high odds because hes the underdog 😁
casimero is no match to him. he will not last a round against this guy. did you see what he did to donaire?
rigondeaux stopped fighting for awhile but it doesnt mean he forgets his boxing skills and he is too big for casimero.

^ Is that true?
Long-term practice is always to the advantage of all boxers. As far as I know, most Filipino have been given enough time to train, during the past year most of them around 90% of the Filipino boxers win because of their perseverance. In this match, I would give my coin to Casimero, not just because of his fighting style, also at his age. From another perspective, Casimer also has more experience than Guillermo. In the fights, he had been tougher than Guillermo as well. I don’t really think these are not enough bases for Casimero to win here.

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Rigondeaux is ancient for a bantamweight. Officially he is 40, but he looks even older. He used to be known as a boring fighter, especially after that snoozefest against Nonito Donaire, but now that he's in decline he's become more of an action fighter.

Casimero isn't considered anything special but he is champion for a reason and I think he should win the fight based on being younger and in his prime.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 04, 2021, 09:29:09 PM

I thought that Casimero vs Inoue will happen this year, perhaps we need to wait till the covid-19 pandemic is over next year.

There's no rumor on that, the supposed to be the fight of Inoue and Casimero was already canceled, after that, they have their fights and have won them.

Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 04, 2021, 09:29:09 PM

As for this fight, good tune up for Casimero but he needs to focus and not looking over Rigo and think about Inoue fight in the future. I think Rigo even at 40 years old is still very dangerous, his straight hand is underrated, but this will be his main weapon and then his superb defense skills. Casimero will be the favorite and i do hope that there will be no upset or Rigo derailings Casimero vs Inoue.

For me this is not just a tune-up, this is a serious fight that could be as serious as Inoue, if Inoue and Rigondeaux will fight, I think the odds will also be close as Rigondeaux is a legit opponent, once a champion and he would always have that heart of a champion.

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I thought that Casimero vs Inoue will happen this year, perhaps we need to wait till the covid-19 pandemic is over next year.

As for this fight, good tune up for Casimero but he needs to focus and not looking over Rigo and think about Inoue fight in the future. I think Rigo even at 40 years old is still very dangerous, his straight hand is underrated, but this will be his main weapon and then his superb defense skills. Casimero will be the favorite and i do hope that there will be no upset or Rigo derailings Casimero vs Inoue.

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