Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value

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Quote from: Stedsm on December 12, 2020, 03:29:22 PM

If things are going to make it more riskier for the patients ahead, I believe that the natural therapy that's already being given to them like early morning hot water given to them to drink, take them to the hospital's terrace from 8 am - 10 am for them to get sunlight, boiled food, boiled water, social distancing from each other, constant sanitation are much better than these vaccines which put our future on stake much more than what we are supposed to get.

Yes, that's right, the vaccine is currently still in the testing phase, although many claim it has been tested. yes it has been tested, but vaccines only affect the immune system of various types and of course it will be very fatal if its use is unstable and very vulnerable at age.
I don't think the vaccines currently in distribution give full confidence in that need. and I saw how traditional methods are still effective in dealing with the illnesses that some COVID-19 patients suffer. one of them as you mention.

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Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.

In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.

Aside from the possible negative or positive effect of this covid vaccine, we need to consider also the value of it.

We have no choice but to get vaccinated or get infected and die from CoVid, it's bitter to swallow but we have to take it, they have spent a lot of times and spent a lot of money just to come out a vaccine because this is the only solution we have right now because we can never be sure if we are going to be fine if we get infected with CoVid.

Wait wait, do you seriously say that? Don't we have another choice? I am a healthy male, workout a lot, haven't been infected for years by any virus and year will pass for me without getting flu. So, for people like me, I think there is no need to get vaccinated, especially when we don't know the side effects of it. There were a lot of medicines that had serious side effects that were only detected after years. An average healthy person doesn't need to get vaccinated, I think only 5-10% of population may get vaccinated, only those who have high potential to get dead or seriously ill by this virus. On another hand, we shouldn't get vaccinated without our wishes. Personally I think I am healthy and don't want to risk my future for the possible side effects of the vaccine, especially when I'll pass covid without any symptoms.

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There must be some step before the vaccine be used massively, not just someone found a vaccine and he directly use and share to many people, it is not like that. So I think the vaccine will be safe for human as long as the vaccine has successfully faced several clinical trials.

As for the vaccine price, I guess the government should pay it and give to their people in order to they use the vaccine for free. In this situation there will be many people who lose their job and what will they pay?

I think, instead of the government focusing more on solving the economic problem that continues to deteriorate, they will be better at giving the vaccine freelh so as the coronavirus will no longer attack deadly, this way they will be easier to control their economic situation.

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People give a huge value on the vaccine. If you look at biontech company for example, all the share price rise can be attributed to the corona vaccine. The company is not doing much else at the moment. The stock price jumped a few hundred percent since the start if the crisis. I think most people view the vaccine as a saviour for 2021.

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Quote from: raidarksword on December 17, 2020, 08:35:35 AM

We waited for this a long time just to have that vaccine being able to be available to us and I think this is nothing worry about it because it passed human trials and with that alone is already an assurance it is safe. We cannot deny some people are scared about the side effects but we don't have a choice either. Creating negativity will only create mass hysteria and fear to people and that's not gonna benefit us at all.

Phase III trials involved tens of thousands of people and none of the test subjects reported any serious side effects. Therefore I don't understand why certain sections of the population are refusing to undergo vaccination. I understand that there are a lot of unfounded rumors circulating regarding the vaccine. Those who spread these false rumors must be jailed, as they are putting billions of people in danger.

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I also say very effectively what some vaccines just need confidence so we can be healed of greed but the problem is how much the value of the said vaccine because its a kind of business I think it is completely not affordable for very poor people therefore if you have the money you still alive and besides there are no other choices to relieve your pain.

I think these poor people should not provide for themselves when it comes to their own vaccines. They had a hard time in these times and I think it is just rightful for the government to provide for their people. I am not saying all of them since for sure, there are those that can provide for themselves. Let those indigents have free vaccines.

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We waited for this a long time just to have that vaccine being able to be available to us and I think this is nothing worry about it because it passed human trials and with that alone is already an assurance it is safe. We cannot deny some people are scared about the side effects but we don't have a choice either. Creating negativity will only create mass hysteria and fear to people and that's not gonna benefit us at all.

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They have their own reasons to be afraid of getting vaccinated. I mean, the trials don't show results of the long term affect. There is also that slight very very small chance of having some rare side effects that some people are scared that they might be the one affected by it. But I doubt anything bad is going to happen.

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Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

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What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

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$40 is small money for some but for those who are poor it suffocates them. I was convinced from the start that the emergence of a vaccine would only add to the huge profits for drug companies. the government must immediately step in to overcome this so that there is no rebellion from residents who feel the cost of the vaccine is choking them..

I doubt all the countries will be using the same price. Those developing and 3rd world countries might get it for cheap. And yeah, those who can't afford it, the government will step in to help them.

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$39 sounds like a super reasonable price, as I read it at least. But I understand you're probably from a poorer country.

If money is an issue and you're under 60 years old, then don't even bother with the vaccine. What's the current death rate for covid? It's something less than 1%.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 13, 2020, 08:43:12 AM

Quote from: xSkylarx on December 13, 2020, 02:29:14 AM

39$ here is worth 4 days of minimum wage here so I think it's still affordable. And I think the government will handle the cost first, then they will pass it to their citizens to pay it for some months.

There are different versions of the COVID 19 vaccine and there is a large variation in their price. And in most of the developing nations (as well as some of the developed nations), the government will pickup the price tag and the citizens don't need to pay anything. Two of the most effective vaccines are costly, with the Moderna vaccine costing around $75 for two doses and the one from Pfizer costing around $40. The one from Sinovac (China) also costs around $60 for two doses. The Sputnik V vaccine of Russia is a bit cheaper, with a price tag of $18-$20 for two doses. These vaccines have an efficiency of around 95%.

But most of the developing nations will prefer less effective vaccines, which are cheaper and easier to transport. The one from Oxford-AstraZeneca costs only around $8 for two doses and it has an efficiency of around 60%-70%.

Where are you reading that the efficacy rate of these vaccines are 95%? The only actual confirmed vaccine with an efficacy rate that high is the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. They went through clinical trials and got FDA approval in the U.S. and is rolling out in the UK.

I wouldn't believe any numbers from a shady Russian vaccine or Chinese vaccine. Pretty sure they released a vaccine months ago without having gone through any clinical oversight. Far from the 95% efficacy we see with Pfizer/BioNTech...

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Quote from: Wawa2013 on December 16, 2020, 06:22:00 PM

In theory, a vaccine is needed to stop the spread of the corona virus, and it is planned that in 2021 a vaccine distribution will be carried out
all over the country. This does sound positive, because there is hope that the corona virus can be stopped and the economy can recover.
But many people forget that the vaccine is not 100% safe for the human body, don't forget that every human body has a different resistance.
So it is possible that the current corona vaccine has bad effects in the long term for some people. Therefore, I have been hesitant to be
vaccinated until now, I prefer to use the natural method with blood plasma. Moreover, the price for the corona vaccine is $ 39, which is
expensive for my country, which is one of the third world countries.

Either way its not safe, it's far better to follow safety protocols and be more furious in anything you do.

The vaccines even already available but the side effects still unclear, same with what you have said body resistance is not all the same,
in the long run there's still possibilities that problem or any health concer may take place.

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Quote from: Wawa2013 on December 16, 2020, 06:22:00 PM

In theory, a vaccine is needed to stop the spread of the corona virus, and it is planned that in 2021 a vaccine distribution will be carried out
all over the country. This does sound positive, because there is hope that the corona virus can be stopped and the economy can recover.
But many people forget that the vaccine is not 100% safe for the human body, don't forget that every human body has a different resistance.
So it is possible that the current corona vaccine has bad effects in the long term for some people. Therefore, I have been hesitant to be
vaccinated until now, I prefer to use the natural method with blood plasma. Moreover, the price for the corona vaccine is $ 39, which is
expensive for my country, which is one of the third world countries.

In any case, the potential side effects of the vaccine are usually safer than the complications of diseases that occur in an epidemic, not to mention mortality. Let's hope that next winter will already be used vaccines that will prove to be safer and more effective this season. According to the law of the market, when mass production is established and debugged, the price should already be an order of magnitude less, which will allow the vaccination to be distributed to more countries.

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In theory, a vaccine is needed to stop the spread of the corona virus, and it is planned that in 2021 a vaccine distribution will be carried out
all over the country. This does sound positive, because there is hope that the corona virus can be stopped and the economy can recover.
But many people forget that the vaccine is not 100% safe for the human body, don't forget that every human body has a different resistance.
So it is possible that the current corona vaccine has bad effects in the long term for some people. Therefore, I have been hesitant to be
vaccinated until now, I prefer to use the natural method with blood plasma. Moreover, the price for the corona vaccine is $ 39, which is
expensive for my country, which is one of the third world countries.

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I think news about the mass production of corona vaccines had a positive effect for all sectors, not only the crypto market. Stocks in general are up since the news came out with the biontech vaccine. In my opinion people are just relieved that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Finally we can hope for the end of the pandemic.

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Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

Well, that is the purpose of the trials. To see the effectivity of the product.
Since this is a new vaccine, not all of the people around the world will have the same effects. There will be some who will have some side effects coming from the vaccine but overall, it will be a good vaccine.

Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.

I knew the trauma that the Dengvaxia vaccine gave to the people since we both came into the same country but we need to trust the vaccine and since it has been gone thru many clinical trials, I can also say that the vaccine for COVID19 is somewhat safe although the side effects to some people are still there.

Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

I think only those from the middle to upper class can afford that vaccine. But those in the lower classes and among the poor in the poorest cannot afford it, unless the government buys and gives it to the people for free if they want the country to be covid free or even reduce the spread of the virus.

The Pfizer vaccine's price is reasonable for the middle class but for the poor class, its obvious that they will just pick the cheapest one if there is a vaccine cheaper than Pfizer and Biontech. You have a choice not to be vaccinated as long as you know that you are safe but there is a risk into it especially if you are always going outside since you might spend more when you got infected by the virus.

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This price is reasonable, cause of its necesssrary and the demand.
Vaccine dissemination has high economic expectations, but it also brings some concerns about safety and transparency.
The availability of vaccines also does not guarantee the rapid development of community immunity, as countries lack a huge number of vaccines and the results of mass vaccination may not be as expected.

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You just have to read publicly-available documents out there regarding the vaccines, and you’ll have at least an idea on how would this particular vaccine help in keeping yourself healthy or relatively safe. The duration of immunity is dependent on the person’s immune response and tolerance to the vaccine. Regardless, it still gives us general immunity against COVID-19, as was evidenced by the trials done by its creators.

Also, check sources for people who are opposing the idea of the vaccine, and see how their opinions stack up against other people working on the same field as them. These vaccines would surely put a dent on our history, as it’s not only the fastest vaccine ever created, tied to it is perhaps one of the biggest feat in terms of manufacturing and logistics.

As for the price, the WHO have already come into terms with these vaccine makers on the price of shots so that it can be accessible and affordable for all. So yeah, most of these factors are already thought out.

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I understand that some people fear vaccination and I understand the fear right now for this specific one, but do not become like people we mock over vaccinating their kids. It is vitally important to realize that vaccinations works, and for some reason there are some morons out there in the world who refuses to vaccinate their kids and not only they are putting their own child in danger since they could die a lot easier, but they are also putting others in danger as well, less vaccinated people means a lot more diseases back into our world killing people as well.

So, if you refuse to vaccinate just because you found some "hidden agenda" for vaccination, that means you are going to actually risk your life and others life in danger just because you believed there was something hidden from you and it wasn't just "get vaccination and get better".

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Yes, the price is very expensive and for the community down to the poor it seems that it will not be able to, but it depends on the government, will there be a policy that will at least ease the community even though it is still not free. Vaccines are made not only to reduce the spread, because with the vaccine at least our bodies will become immune to the virus. This is no longer a precautionary measure and they won't be careless about releasing the vaccine itself, so with a lot of effort and clinical trials that have been done, at least I believe the vaccine will be good because it has gone through a lot of trial and research.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 14, 2020, 06:35:12 AM

Government needs to shoulder this amount for those who lives around poor nations, as they are just surviving from day to day
and unable to add this up for another expense.

Obviously in almost all the nations, the government is going to pay for the vaccine and the public will get shots for free. But then it comes to the affordability of the governments. There are several types of vaccine, and the price tag ranges from $3 per dose to $39 per dose. Considering the fact that two doses are required per individual, vaccinating a single person can cost $6 to $78. Now add the transportation cost and expenses of the medical staff. The poorer nations will obviously go for cheaper, less effective vaccines, while the developed nations will go for vaccines from Pfizer, Sputnik V and Moderna, which are more than 95% effective.

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