Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value - page 3.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on December 13, 2020, 02:29:14 AM

39$ here is worth 4 days of minimum wage here so I think it's still affordable. And I think the government will handle the cost first, then they will pass it to their citizens to pay it for some months.

There are different versions of the COVID 19 vaccine and there is a large variation in their price. And in most of the developing nations (as well as some of the developed nations), the government will pickup the price tag and the citizens don't need to pay anything. Two of the most effective vaccines are costly, with the Moderna vaccine costing around $75 for two doses and the one from Pfizer costing around $40. The one from Sinovac (China) also costs around $60 for two doses. The Sputnik V vaccine of Russia is a bit cheaper, with a price tag of $18-$20 for two doses. These vaccines have an efficiency of around 95%.

But most of the developing nations will prefer less effective vaccines, which are cheaper and easier to transport. The one from Oxford-AstraZeneca costs only around $8 for two doses and it has an efficiency of around 60%-70%.

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Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

Vaccine are not mandatory yet so it's your choice if you want to take it or not. If you're not afraid to go to crowded places and go home with a possible risk of covid then it's up to you. For me, I would take it because I'm more afraid to have the covid and spend huge amount of money in the hospital. Reported side effects are not life-threatening as far as I know.

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What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

39$ here is worth 4 days of minimum wage here so I think it's still affordable. And I think the government will handle the cost first, then they will pass it to their citizens to pay it for some months.

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It's another cash grab if you ask me. The company has not tested the vaccine enough and they admit it can cause infertility. Do you want to be their guinea pigs and pay $40 for the privilege? I don't. I'm not afraid of corona. I'd rather take my chances than willingly expose myself to an untested vaccine.

if it is still in the trial process then I would prefer not to do it because it will have a higher risk than corona, we all do not know the long-term effects of this vaccine and not all humans have the same body composition which results in something which occurs when the vaccine is unsuitable resulting in death.

They had some trials but the vaccine was rushed, that's a fact. They knew that the earlier they get it on the market the more money they'll make and avoid competition. There are numerous doctors who say the vaccine was not tested enough and can be dangerous. At the same time, some countries are buying it blindly because they don't want to be accused of negligence. Thinking that if others are buying maybe we should is the opposite of smart.

The citizens should have a right to choose whether they want to take the vaccine or not as some authorities have warned anyone who has a history of a considerable allergic reaction to a vaccine or medicine to avoid taking the vaccine.
Data for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine state that the trial involved 40,000 volunteers and suggested the vaccine provokes only mild side effects. So, it is an option for the citizens, if they believe the vaccine is a better option without severe side effects, why not for a precaution. But I prefer to not taking the vaccine as well.

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Quote from: Pamadar on December 12, 2020, 11:24:58 PM

Factor that needs to consider before allowing this vaccine.

We don't know yet the after effect of this vaccine, people have different immune system the reactions of the body is very important before allowing everyone to take the shot, though every government are hoping that this vaccine will really help everyone and they are trying to buy not to be left behind,.

Most of the vaccines have completed their phase III clinical trials, involving tens of thousands of people and the side-effects are well documented. You may not know the after effects of the vaccine, and that is because you haven't read about the Phase III trial results. Now the only question is about the availability and storage. Some of the vaccines needs to be stored at -70 degrees, and that can be challenging.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on December 12, 2020, 06:14:23 PM

It's another cash grab if you ask me. The company has not tested the vaccine enough and they admit it can cause infertility. Do you want to be their guinea pigs and pay $40 for the privilege? I don't. I'm not afraid of corona. I'd rather take my chances than willingly expose myself to an untested vaccine.

if it is still in the trial process then I would prefer not to do it because it will have a higher risk than corona, we all do not know the long-term effects of this vaccine and not all humans have the same body composition which results in something which occurs when the vaccine is unsuitable resulting in death.

Factor that needs to consider before allowing this vaccine.

We don't know yet the after effect of this vaccine, people have different immune system the reactions of the body is very important before allowing everyone to take the shot, though every government are hoping that this vaccine will really help everyone and they are trying to buy not to be left behind,.

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Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.
In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe?

I don’t feel safe with this vaccine, if many children in your country die because of the vaccine. I’ve heard this news in the media. It’s so horrible.
I am concerned that they will force this vaccine to continue to test in many children around the world. Then it will threaten the lives of the younger generation.
People get scared to get vaccinated.

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What will be the effect on the person being injected?

Perhaps the effects can vary on everyone. Depends on the endurance of a person’ s body. But I’m not a chemist and they’ll understand this better.
The vaccine should have been first tested to government officials. Not to ordinary people. Especially to the children.

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What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

It’s very expensive, and it’s clear the poor won’t agree with the price. If there was any money it would be better to eat than to have a vaccine.
This should be the responsibility of the government.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on December 12, 2020, 06:14:23 PM

It's another cash grab if you ask me. The company has not tested the vaccine enough and they admit it can cause infertility. Do you want to be their guinea pigs and pay $40 for the privilege? I don't. I'm not afraid of corona. I'd rather take my chances than willingly expose myself to an untested vaccine.

if it is still in the trial process then I would prefer not to do it because it will have a higher risk than corona, we all do not know the long-term effects of this vaccine and not all humans have the same body composition which results in something which occurs when the vaccine is unsuitable resulting in death.

They had some trials but the vaccine was rushed, that's a fact. They knew that the earlier they get it on the market the more money they'll make and avoid competition. There are numerous doctors who say the vaccine was not tested enough and can be dangerous. At the same time some countries are buying it blindly because they don't want to be accused of negligence. Thinking that if others are buying maybe we should is the opposite of smart.

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I'm pretty sure the vaccines they will release will stand the tets of clinical trials and would prove to be an effective way to give us immunity over the virus. They wouldn't wait for a whole year just to have a vaccine that is not working, lest it could even endanger the public. What's more important is to spread the awareness regarding the virus, so people won't get sick unnecessarily. And in order to help your country's frontliners burden not to be further increased.

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We need to do more research to make sure the covid vaccine is safe to use, I am sure that every vaccine has side effects.
Therefore, I was one of those who refused to have the vaccine injection, because it was based on my knowledge regarding
the corona virus. As long as we can increase our body's immunity, our body can handle the corona virus on its own without
the help of a vaccine. Moreover, the price of the $ 40 vaccine is quite expensive in third world countries, so it is possible that
only people in the middle and upper economy can buy the vaccine.

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It's amazing how most people seem to have forgotten the huge controversy of the origins of the virus, a military lab capable of devising global biological weapons just happens to be a few km away from the "official" story of meat market origins,

If they can engineer a flu virus into a pandemic, surely they can replicate this performance many times over, will the solution again be global campaign for vaccination and lockdowns or will people be smart enough to address the root cause at some point ?

A barely tested questionable vaccine that may or may not immunize for up to 6 months against only a certain strain of a virus; it feels like the world has become a human farm, and the vast majority of people are now so docile and pacified that they don't even care about that so much as long as they can get back to receiving their entertainment fixes...

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It's another cash grab if you ask me. The company has not tested the vaccine enough and they admit it can cause infertility. Do you want to be their guinea pigs and pay $40 for the privilege? I don't. I'm not afraid of corona. I'd rather take my chances than willingly expose myself to an untested vaccine.

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Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.

There is no debate about having a vaccine so that we could go back to normal but the problem is that i am not sure whether the vaccines are properly tested as i never heard about a vaccine that is 100%. Even the the vaccine manufactured by pfizer they claim that it is 95% tested if i remember correctly and i will not risk my life taking the vaccine if it is not 100%. If i am able to sit inside for over ten months inside my house alone then i can wait until we have a conclusive confirmation.

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Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.

In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.

Aside from the possible negative or positive effect of this covid vaccine, we need to consider also the value of it.

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Pfizer and BioNTech have set the initial price at $19.50 a dose, which comes to $39 per patient (since each vaccine requires a two-dose regimen), in its $1.95 billion contract with the federal government as part of Operation Warp Speed in July. Pfizer and BioNTech, which have developed an mRNA-based vaccine, will receive that amount for the first 100 million doses, pending regulatory approval. Moderna, which has developed a competing mRNA vaccine, received nearly $1 billion from the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority and has a $1.5 billion contract for 100 million doses, bringing its price to around $50 per patient or $25 a dose.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiejennings/2020/11/17/how-much-will-a-covid-19-vaccine-cost/?sh=c6ef1ba576de

What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

I think only those from the middle to upper class can afford that vaccine. But those in the lower classes and among the poor in the poorest cannot afford it, unless the government buys and gives it to the people for free if they want the country to be covid free or even reduce the spread of the virus.

Since you have mentioned the issue about the dengvaxia, I guess we're living in the same country. People have lost their trust in WHO because of that vaccine which caused a huge number of unexplainable deaths. We can't blame the people who are doubting about the Covid-19 vaccine because they had a traumatic experience with the dengue vaccine. I just hope that the coming vaccine would be safe and affordable for everyone. It might cost cheap for some countries but I guess it would be hard for third world countries to afford it.

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I've recently heard about some ill effects of the vaccine like developing facial paralysis - https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/fda-reports-facial-paralysis-in-4-volunteers-for-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine/article33306576.ece

If things are going to make it more riskier for the patients ahead, I believe that the natural therapy that's already being given to them like early morning hot water given to them to drink, take them to the hospital's terrace from 8 am - 10 am for them to get sunlight, boiled food, boiled water, social distancing from each other, constant sanitation are much better than these vaccines which put our future on stake much more than what we are supposed to get.

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Quote from: danglongbtc on December 12, 2020, 02:36:27 PM

Even if it is fully ready, I won't take them for sure. In my country, we have already started vaccine trial. During the very first phase, patients had mental issues not being able to work on a full capacity. Later, it caused some other issues. Government has decided to provide vaccine to healthcare workers first and then social security like police. However, if you are not affected and as long as can be cured, you don't have absolute necessity of taking dose. We never know the consequences. Besides, we will have vaccine available for use for very cheap price. Even, we can get them free here as most of the vaccine are free which we have taken from our childhood including Polio, Hepatitis B, Rotavirus, BCG, OPV and such 10 more.

right now, i believe the study regarding after effects is not yet sufficient. as many of these pharma companies are rushing their clinical trials to get approved, i wont be surprised if some of them have their cover up regarding the actual effect of this vaccine to the overall mental or health aspect of the person. of course, we will see the immediate effect but how about the long-term impact to the person? it is yet to be seen.
getting vaccine should be the choice of the person and not compulsory. it is your body, so you have the right not to accept the vaccine. but you should know the possible consequences.

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Even if it is fully ready, I won't take them for sure. In my country, we have already started vaccine trial. During the very first phase, patients had mental issues not being able to work on a full capacity. Later, it caused some other issues. Government has decided to provide vaccine to healthcare workers first and then social security like police. However, if you are not affected and as long as can be cured, you don't have absolute necessity of taking dose. We never know the consequences. Besides, we will have vaccine available for use for very cheap price. Even, we can get them free here as most of the vaccine are free which we have taken from our childhood including Polio, Hepatitis B, Rotavirus, BCG, OPV and such 10 more.

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As of the moment, even when the vaccine is not yet publicly released for massive usage to a lot of people, the people are already getting immune from the corona virus (covid-19) on which it shows that people's immune system is getting adaptable to fight back on its own against covid-19 having recoveries even the vaccine is still not on hand. Vaccines are created and intended to help out boosting up the immune system of the human body to fight back against harmful viruses and bacterias which is making it more significant for the existence of the vaccine to help out clearing out this pandemic.

There are various concerns with regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine but according to pharmaceutical companies Pfizer and BioNTech, they claim to create a 95% effectivity of vaccine based on clinical trials. Now with regards to the possible side effects which is the main concern of the people, we still cannot determine for we have different body composition and adaptability to medicines. We must just hope for the best.

With regards to the pricing, I think it is just and reasonable for government is having an allocated budget to shoulder the purchasing of the vaccines so no ome will be left behind and the priority will take into the needy.

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We all aware that covid can be eradicated through it's vaccines but since the existence of covid , the vaccines has not been released so expecting that the vaccine can be release in 2021 I think its fallacy, and expecting the vaccine, I think it will come up by the end of 2021 because I have not see any needful while the vaccine should be release again while many people lost their life's because of it why waiting for approval of its vaccine since, so emphasising on causes of covid, it's obvious that not everyone can explain better concerning how covid come in existence because from me I don't really have ideas of it.but I know it as communicable disease or transmitted disease.

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With the present situation across the whole world. The covid-19 has caused a lot of terror, not only to the world economic but to the entire human race. When thinking about the price that the vaccine will be sold. Either $19 or $35 per dose. The question is how many dosage will treat any patient of covid-19 completely. I'm just thinking out loud, minimum of two dosage per day, and that could go for 3 days. That's is 19*2*3=$114 in total. That's sti fair for the developed and developing countries. What of countries like Africa what majority of their people live with less than a $1 everyday. We would they afford that kind of money. $114 in some other countries in Africa will be in thousands when you do the conversion.

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Quote from: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 07:02:48 AM

What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

I think only those from the middle to upper class can afford that vaccine. But those in the lower classes and among the poor in the poorest cannot afford it, unless the government buys and gives it to the people for free if they want the country to be covid free or even reduce the spread of the virus.

Mass vaccination is required especially that this pandemic is not our fault but the countries who made it.

The government should be responsible for the vaccination of the people and they should allocate a proper budget for that where the people can afford it in a reasonable price.

Not all of us are financially stable and many people who are struggling to live everyday probably can't afford to buy that vaccine.

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