Topic: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. - page 1083. (Read 2347601 times)

Cryptocurrencies started as an ideal, it had a purpose, but it just went down the shithole of profit 'only'. Everyone wants capitalism to work but they never take into account human factor. Its a good plan but it asks for honesty, justness & some ethics/morals. Its a sad thing people cure the symptoms not the cause.

well this is a Marathon to try to explain to new comers to crypto than there is a little more to crypto than just plugging their card to a pool and expecting money...

it is called mining not milking... so there is some prospection involved...

This is SP_artaaaa!!

... and this isn't a multipool either...
also your profit is very limited: the guy renting your rig expect profit, the admin expect as well some profit for the service he provides, (and lets hope you don't forget to donate miner devs) so you could probably do better without all that.

So again you really don't maximize your profit, you just settle for a minimum which is probably a lot lower than what you could achieve alone after having done some research...

I don't agree with you. Maybe I wasn't clear, English is not my first language. When I put my rig on nicehash or miningrigrentals, I effectively rent it to someone who has done the research and pays me for the hashrate. Similar to what cloud mining companies do.
We are both doing half the work: I manage and maintain my rig, the buyer sifts through all the coins and finds one he believes in. He invests a lot of time, I invest a little time and some money for the hardware and power bill, and we split the profit. This is cooperation.

What I meant is, it's better to split the work and do both parts right, than try to do everything and do it badly because I don't have enough time.

Submitted a teaser you can test. github. Just a small speedup. If I replace all the sharedmem lookups the compiler is increasing the register count and hashrate is dropped. Need to find a way to tweak the compiler so that it generate the optimal code.

Very nice! Can't wait to try it. I was a little bit bored with all this offtop discussions about pools and markets, so your post is a breath of fresh air

sp_ when github?

Don't hate the miner. Hate the mine.

Boost in x11,x13,x14,x15,x17 comming soon. I finally managed to do the pointer tweaking right in the AES implementation. This removes some assembly instructions for every table lookup in the SBOX.

   // inline asm
   bfi.b32 %r234, %r18, %r527, %r528,%r569;
   // inline asm
   ld.u32    %r576, [%r234];
   // inline asm

with valid hashes...

Myagui, your handle is well chosen, very wise.

@djm34: I'm not sure that particular observation (investors moving away from PoW) has much to do with multipools, as it does with mining in general. The economical balance and interests are certainly very different in PoW versus PoS.

A PoW network is secured at a relatively high running cost: a certain number of miners or hashrate, providing overall an expensive service (or a cheap one, depending from where you stand  

In contrast, a PoS network is (arguably) secured at negligible cost: the cost of establishing/hodling a certain amount of funds, locked and/or maturing during their stake periods.

There is great and open debate about Bitcoin being the largest running global network of space heaters.
Maybe that bears some weight in this too...  

darwinism  

speaking of that, the way crypto evolve (or the trend supported by investors) is away from POW.
Meaning away from the influence of miners and multipool.

So basically that demonstrates that multipools are just destroying their own ecosystem. so they are next to disappear...  
... and all that for tiny profit (which you think are large... but yeah the best way to happiness is to lower his expectation, not make more effort...)

except that this is just not true for multipool (based on what they are mining).
This is true for bitcoins, dash and other older coins, which aren't necessarily the target of the multipool (and clearly don't care because they have strong networks), but the point of the multipool is to point to any coin getting profitable at a time x... (no matter how secured is his network)

So basically what they are dumping isn't a tiny/miserable fraction, but a sizable fraction of the coins which get dumped on investors (and prevent anyone from investing actually), not that I really care, but that's the main reason why altcoin aren't much profitable to mine because investors are kind of fed up of that behavior (not necessarily because of multipool, agree) and won't invest in POW coin as much as they did.

It seems like what you are complaining about is simply Darwinism, survival of the fittest. I say let the fittest
survive and to hell with the rest, It will make the whole crypto industry stronger in the long run.

Anyone old enough to remember the dot com stock market boom in the late 1990s should understand.
Tech startups were going public in droves, most with zero revenue, let alone any earning. But people bought
in because it was the internet and the internet was going to change everything. None of those companies
are still around because none of those companies deserve to be around.
It wasn't until a few years later as the industry matured that companies with a real business plan
like Google and Amazon popped out of the mess and never looked back.

I'm looking for that Google or Amazon to pop out of the altcoin mess. In the meantime I'll profit where I can mining
and dumping altcoins that will likely disappear regardless.

I understand your points bathrobehero, but I still mostly disagree. I'm quoting just the portions that concern my reply, there is no intention of taking your statements out of context. 


Are you referring to some sort of difference of moral values?
I don't see any difference on a technical level:
 a) assign hash power
 b) earn share reward
 c) dump reward for an exit token/currency
 d) spend exit token/currency on beer/hookers/blow (in whichever order pleases you)

If you are dumping it, you are dumping it. The reasons why you are dumping it, do not magically cause the effects of the dumping to become any different. I would go as far as saying that the more dumping, the wider a coin is distributed, and someone else will be happy to be buying cheaper. This is not a simple matter of right or wrong, black or white...


You raise here a very critical point, which is that security for various coins is actually worse on account of the multipools, given the crazy hashrate at one's disposal and how easy this makes it for someone to mount an attack. However, we take very differently views on "what is broken" in this respect.
I find this to be stimulus towards developing newer and better difficulty retargeting methods - as has precisely happened in the past already. It is forced evolution, if you will. Also, multipools are just the equivalent of a large enough farmer - and be certain that they exist - in that they are simply a very concentrated amount of hashrate, that can quickly hop from coin A to coin B when the mood (profit) arises.
The coins need to evolve to a point where such hopping on and off from multipools (or large enough farmers), are not a catastrophic event to their network. It is that simple.


Most new algorithms have brought absolutely nothing of relevance to the evolution of crypto currencies.
That all those coins using obscure algorithms are insecure (aka, easy to attack) is a strong representation of a fundamental flaw in their design. It is that they have this unique characteristic (a never-before-seen algorithm), for the simple sake of being "different".
What did x14 offer the world of crypto currencies that did not already exist in x11? What about x17? What about X, Y, Z algorithms? The few that have a compelling argument to exist, are most likely to survive. All others are more likely not to survive. I do not see a loss here, I see cleanup.
There is also the even worse case, of all the new algorithms that were "invented" for the sole purpose of allowing stress free private mining (at much greater performance). There are plenty of those around, and they are just another form of technological garbage.

We should set our minds away from this idea that somehow mining is this all important process that determines the value of a certain altcoin. It is not so.
Like I said earlier: [...] PoW mining, accounts for just a tiny/miserable fraction of the daily trade volume on coins with any meaningful reach of success. [...]

Note: I have the greatest respect for mining software coders, and even more so, when they so generously share with the community at large. I've even donated a beer or two! (rarely though, I'm a cheapstake)

Note2: I hereby agree to disagree! 

well if everyone think like you, you won't make any profit at all...  because seen like that, I am not sure there is any reason to buy coins...

My feeling is it's also true for coins themselves. Which makes the research that much more difficult. And picking the wrong coin is IMHO much worse than not making the maximum profit.
I like crysx idea of paying the bills with nicehash and playing with the remaining hashrate. I'll try to insert that in my controlling software...

Well said.....there are sheeple to be led.

There is a difference between dumping a coin and dumping a coin you didn't even know you were mining or even existed.

Regarding security, one could argue that considering the amount of hash getting thrown at these centralized multipools they are the ones posing a risk of pointing hashrate at any given coin to attack and exploit them and users wouldn't even know about it. And as mentioned above multipools used to kick the difficulty of coins into space when we had worse retarget methods.

The problem is that anyone can buy hardware, flick a switch and start a bat and earn BTC especially with cheaper electricity (where you can afford to be lazy) while besides them and the multipool owners literally everyone else gets screwed. But of course there always will be demand for that so multipools are here to stay at the cost of putting a cap on coin progression. Granted, most coins are crap but let's say a promising coin develops a new feature? Screw it, let's mine it all until its profitability decreases to the usual unprofitable levels, doesn't matter if it takes hours or weeks it will get grinded until either the price drops low enough or the difficulty increases high enough for the multipool script to point elsewhere.

Why do you think ccminer has 35 different algos? How many of those algos do you think were implemented for coins just to avoid multipools and rental servies? I'd guess a whole lot of them but it's pointless to come up with new algos anymore since multipools can add them the same day. Holding PoW coins which doesn't have significant block reward decreases or short PoW periods have became almost suicidal for these reasons.

Of course people who sink ungodly amounts of time into researching into more profitable means for their GPUs will probably be able to find them but it's getting increasingly difficult to do so. /rant