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legendary
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The people who work for the pools create fake acounts on the bitcointalk forum and other forums. They work in teams of 2-3 people, and sometimes they can control all the users.
newbie
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There seems to be a lot of anger towards multipools and profit-switching pools. Most people seem to ignore that PoW (so, mining), accounts for just a tiny/miserable fraction of the daily trade volume on coins with any meaningful reach of success.

To say that dumping mining rewards kills a coin, is to say that such coin bears no significant value beyond that of the mining process. So is the coin useless, or has no merits at all to drive demand? If so, by all means, dump it to death please.

Also commonly ignored, is the fact that PoW mining is a service to that coin's network. It is this service that ensures the security of the network (without which, double spending, etc etc...). Like any other service, it should be adequately rewarded. If a coin economy cannot afford the balancing act (and cost) of maintaining a secure network (in other words - absorb it's mining costs) again, by all means, dump it to death please.

I'm not saying all coins should simply be dumped upon and that all are shitcoins (though most of them should & most of them are  Grin), but just that mining cannot be the focus or measure of any one coin's success. The focus should be on utility, demand, adoption, innovation, well... The forever pursued "real world value"...

Do you believe in a coin, do you think it has merits and want to hold on to it, for whatever the future might bring or for the speculative exercise? Mine some, buy some, and hold them. It's all very much the same.

If you do not believe in any particular coin, and mining is just a (fiat/btc?) revenue opportunity, then go right ahead and point your hashes at whatever rental service, profit switching pool, or gamble on the coin-du-jour launch...

For those with the necessary time & energy, research some more. There's usually better profits to be had.
Oh well, I figure I'm not on the popular side of this discussion  Roll Eyes
Happy mining!

Best post ever on this topic, pressing the like button :-)
legendary
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Oh well, I figure I'm not on the popular side of this discussion  Roll Eyes
Happy mining!
don't know, I can't tell for sure on which side of the discussion you are  Grin

but regarding multipool:
*they don't secure network as they just switch when it is profitable and leave when they found something else more profitable (and I don't say when the coin has stopped to be profitable...), so basically it is even more dangerous for the coin, as the multipool is totally unreliable to secure a network.

* also we all know a few coins which are stuck at high diff because a multipool raped the coin and left (obviously they are new retargeting algo to avoid those case, but even then it isn't easy as you still have to mine that block to get it back to "standard" diff...)

* lack of trading: dumping isn't trading...
legendary
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There seems to be a lot of anger towards multipools and profit-switching pools. Most people seem to ignore that PoW (so, mining), accounts for just a tiny/miserable fraction of the daily trade volume on coins with any meaningful reach of success.

To say that dumping mining rewards kills a coin, is to say that such coin bears no significant value beyond that of the mining process. So is the coin useless, or has no merits at all to drive demand? If so, by all means, dump it to death please.

Also commonly ignored, is the fact that PoW mining is a service to that coin's network. It is this service that ensures the security of the network (without which, double spending, etc etc...). Like any other service, it should be adequately rewarded. If a coin economy cannot afford the balancing act (and cost) of maintaining a secure network (in other words - absorb it's mining costs) again, by all means, dump it to death please.

I'm not saying all coins should simply be dumped upon and that all are shitcoins (though most of them should & most of them are  Grin), but just that mining cannot be the focus or measure of any one coin's success. The focus should be on utility, demand, adoption, innovation, well... The forever pursued "real world value"...

Do you believe in a coin, do you think it has merits and want to hold on to it, for whatever the future might bring or for the speculative exercise? Mine some, buy some, and hold them. It's all very much the same.

If you do not believe in any particular coin, and mining is just a (fiat/btc?) revenue opportunity, then go right ahead and point your hashes at whatever rental service, profit switching pool, or gamble on the coin-du-jour launch...

For those with the necessary time & energy, research some more. There's usually better profits to be had.
Oh well, I figure I'm not on the popular side of this discussion  Roll Eyes
Happy mining!

well said ...

we are miners ... i personally have started in crypto BY mining ...

our farm have grown to the level of mining that we are ok with - but will be happy when it gets much much more large ...

we mine on various pools - and part of those pools are multipools ...

in most cases - as with most people - we mine in bursts on multipools like westhash for btc ... that part pays bills ...

mostly - we mine at places like coinking ... this due to the fact that we DO NOT have to exchange the coins to btc ( like yaamp ( rip ) and westhash and so forth ) ... we instead setup a number of coins we like to mine - and mine them ... not to dump - but to invest and hold and trade ...

the industry is still in its infancy - and we are really yet to see the direction it will take ...

but one thing that is for certain -  when the coins are down - exchanges are the ones that make the huge difference ...

mining pools ( multi or not ) becoming almost a second thought ...

hence why we mine - trade - buy - sell - and exchange coin for coin ...

#crysx
legendary
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There seems to be a lot of anger towards multipools and profit-switching pools. Most people seem to ignore that PoW (so, mining), accounts for just a tiny/miserable fraction of the daily trade volume on coins with any meaningful reach of success.

To say that dumping mining rewards kills a coin, is to say that such coin bears no significant value beyond that of the mining process. So is the coin useless, or has no merits at all to drive demand? If so, by all means, dump it to death please.

Also commonly ignored, is the fact that PoW mining is a service to that coin's network. It is this service that ensures the security of the network (without which, double spending, etc etc...). Like any other service, it should be adequately rewarded. If a coin economy cannot afford the balancing act (and cost) of maintaining a secure network (in other words - absorb it's mining costs) again, by all means, dump it to death please.

I'm not saying all coins should simply be dumped upon and that all are shitcoins (though most of them should & most of them are  Grin), but just that mining cannot be the focus or measure of any one coin's success. The focus should be on utility, demand, adoption, innovation, well... The forever pursued "real world value"...

Do you believe in a coin, do you think it has merits and want to hold on to it, for whatever the future might bring or for the speculative exercise? Mine some, buy some, and hold them. It's all very much the same.

If you do not believe in any particular coin, and mining is just a (fiat/btc?) revenue opportunity, then go right ahead and point your hashes at whatever rental service, profit switching pool, or gamble on the coin-du-jour launch...

For those with the necessary time & energy, research some more. There's usually better profits to be had.
Oh well, I figure I'm not on the popular side of this discussion  Roll Eyes
Happy mining!
legendary
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I have nothing against pool which would be your mutual fund, multipool aren't that at all...
it has nothing to do will mutual fund, mutual fund don't dump your money to the lowest bid while multipool does that.
so technically they don't support coins, they kills them and for much less profit that you would make yourself alone in a standard pool.

So they kill the business for everyone, their users included... but that's you what you ask actually since it means:
 * I don't care about the coin, just want btc
 * I don't care what they mine
 * I don't care at which rate they exchange, I just want some...  Grin
so no altcoin, no trading, you should just sell directly your electricity, it would probably be cheaper for you

But the multipools do create volume. The volume makes the coins stay on the exchanges.  A coin wich is  delisted from the echange is is not worth much.

hmm... a coin stays on an exchange because there is some buy support, not because multipool are ready to dump them
(or you are really have to go low in some case to sell them when it is still possible... which means the death of the coin, so at that level they really don't help the coins... in the best case you can thank the few morons (enlightened I mean, obviously  Grin) who buy those almost dead coins
legendary
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The windows builds produce more hash, and use less power. You can get 100% more  profit if you switch to windows.

Just had a look, and a windows 8.1 license is 119€ for me. The pro version is needed for remote desktop (if you don't want to move display, keyboard and mouse around) and costs 279€.
Even if the hashrate is better, it's going to take quite some time to ROI that license cost. With that kind of money, I'd rather buy two more cards and buy you a few beers :-/
Maybe it's OK for people who have 6*970 rigs. But for me and my measly 3*750ti rig, it's a no-go.

Edit: Windows 7 pro 64 bits is 'only' 180€ in OEM version and should upgrade for free to windows 10 when it is released...

this is one of the reasons why i left windows altogether many many years ago ( i was a windows 'professional' onsite and network infrastructure consultant ) ... apart from the instability and 'graphics only' control - which is still current to this day ...

linux just blows it away when it comes to all of those points ...

but i can assure you - even with a farm - no matter what rigs you have - the cost is bloody ridiculous ...

a 'free' upgrade to windows 10 - with HUGE restrictions ... ie - you MUST have a running and licensed copy of windows 7 or 8 and above to be eligible for this 'free' upgrade ...

again ... we are sticking to linux and im personally not running anything else except for the ONE windows machine - just because i 'need' to ...

all the rest are linux - including my desktop ...

anyway - im just hoping there will be more advances in the opensource arena and linux in the very near future - to allow all these awesome apps and utilities to become much more proficient in functionality and performance ... and hopefully this will make closed source a dying area ...

#crysx

win 8.1 pro key for 2.4 $

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/microsoft-keys-windows-81-pro-26-office-2013-pro-plus-35-and-more-1043345

Mmm, even with an MSDN account, this is suspiciously cheap. I remember reading somewhere that major companies like Dell or IBM payed their OEM licenses around 5$ to Microsoft. That makes me seriously doubt that these keys are legit. I mean, they probably are valid keys, but I doubt they were purchased legally... My guess is the guy has access to his company's MSDN account and they have a lot of machines that are not connected to the internet (think defense, banking, intelligence...) so the keys can safely be reused, and sold.
Whatever the case is, owning a key is not equal to owning a license. A license is a piece of paper, like a certificate of authenticity, the sticker that comes with a new PC, or an invoice. Having a valid key does not make a Windows copy legal.

Anyway, these are just excuses on my part. I'm not that hardcore about paying licenses and I watch pirated movies and series as much as anyone. It's just that I've always used Linux and have always been fortunate enough to work at companies that use Linux as well. Paying for my Windows licenses (like the one on my gaming rig) is a way to validate my opensource preference, by hitting me where it hurts. Imagine how many beers I could buy SP_ for that amount ;-)

Our best hope is that SteamOS picks up steam (worst pun even) and grows linux share in the gaming market. That could push Nvidia and AMD to finally give open source the support it deserves.

absolutely ...

#crysx
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The windows builds produce more hash, and use less power. You can get 100% more  profit if you switch to windows.

Just had a look, and a windows 8.1 license is 119€ for me. The pro version is needed for remote desktop (if you don't want to move display, keyboard and mouse around) and costs 279€.
Even if the hashrate is better, it's going to take quite some time to ROI that license cost. With that kind of money, I'd rather buy two more cards and buy you a few beers :-/
Maybe it's OK for people who have 6*970 rigs. But for me and my measly 3*750ti rig, it's a no-go.

Edit: Windows 7 pro 64 bits is 'only' 180€ in OEM version and should upgrade for free to windows 10 when it is released...

this is one of the reasons why i left windows altogether many many years ago ( i was a windows 'professional' onsite and network infrastructure consultant ) ... apart from the instability and 'graphics only' control - which is still current to this day ...

linux just blows it away when it comes to all of those points ...

but i can assure you - even with a farm - no matter what rigs you have - the cost is bloody ridiculous ...

a 'free' upgrade to windows 10 - with HUGE restrictions ... ie - you MUST have a running and licensed copy of windows 7 or 8 and above to be eligible for this 'free' upgrade ...

again ... we are sticking to linux and im personally not running anything else except for the ONE windows machine - just because i 'need' to ...

all the rest are linux - including my desktop ...

anyway - im just hoping there will be more advances in the opensource arena and linux in the very near future - to allow all these awesome apps and utilities to become much more proficient in functionality and performance ... and hopefully this will make closed source a dying area ...

#crysx

win 8.1 pro key for 2.4 $

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/microsoft-keys-windows-81-pro-26-office-2013-pro-plus-35-and-more-1043345

Mmm, even with an MSDN account, this is suspiciously cheap. I remember reading somewhere that major companies like Dell or IBM payed their OEM licenses around 5$ to Microsoft. That makes me seriously doubt that these keys are legit. I mean, they probably are valid keys, but I doubt they were purchased legally... My guess is the guy has access to his company's MSDN account and they have a lot of machines that are not connected to the internet (think defense, banking, intelligence...) so the keys can safely be reused, and sold.
Whatever the case is, owning a key is not equal to owning a license. A license is a piece of paper, like a certificate of authenticity, the sticker that comes with a new PC, or an invoice. Having a valid key does not make a Windows copy legal.

Anyway, these are just excuses on my part. I'm not that hardcore about paying licenses and I watch pirated movies and series as much as anyone. It's just that I've always used Linux and have always been fortunate enough to work at companies that use Linux as well. Paying for my Windows licenses (like the one on my gaming rig) is a way to validate my opensource preference, by hitting me where it hurts. Imagine how many beers I could buy SP_ for that amount ;-)

Our best hope is that SteamOS picks up steam (worst pun even) and grows linux share in the gaming market. That could push Nvidia and AMD to finally give open source the support it deserves.
legendary
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btw sp - nvidia-smi is always giving 'unknown errors' with getting the clocks set ...

That's why I can't support linux until the API is fixed. I use the same calls that the nvidia-smi uses.

Anyway. Overclocking can reduce the lifetime of your cards, so use it with caution.

i appreciate your caution - but have been overclocking the amd cards since we started mining ... Smiley ...

but i do understand where you are coming from ...

if this is the state of the nvidia commands - then i see why its in such a sorry state ...

it seems that nvidia commandline are built specifically with the high end cards in mind ( like the tesla ) and only 'sort of' support the lower end cards ...

i guess its a matter of time and hassling nvidia to get it all universal across the board ...

here we go with some more emails ...

#crysx
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legendary
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Team Black developer
I have nothing against pool which would be your mutual fund, multipool aren't that at all...
it has nothing to do will mutual fund, mutual fund don't dump your money to the lowest bid while multipool does that.
so technically they don't support coins, they kills them and for much less profit that you would make yourself alone in a standard pool.

So they kill the business for everyone, their users included... but that's you what you ask actually since it means:
 * I don't care about the coin, just want btc
 * I don't care what they mine
 * I don't care at which rate they exchange, I just want some...  Grin
so no altcoin, no trading, you should just sell directly your electricity, it would probably be cheaper for you

But the multipools do create volume. The volume makes the coins stay on the exchanges.  A coin wich is  delisted from the echange is is not worth much.
sp_
legendary
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Team Black developer
btw sp - nvidia-smi is always giving 'unknown errors' with getting the clocks set ...

That's why I can't support linux until the API is fixed. I use the same calls that the nvidia-smi uses.

Anyway. Overclocking can reduce the lifetime of your cards, so use it with caution.
legendary
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yeah well I don't like multipool  Grin

time to start using your own brain

Multipools are just like mutual funds, a natural part of an open market. If crypto
really takes off be prepared for options, futures and other derivatives.
I have nothing against pool which would be your mutual fund, multipool aren't that at all...
it has nothing to do will mutual fund, mutual fund don't dump your money to the lowest bid while multipool does that.
so technically they don't support coins, they kills them and for much less profit that you would make yourself alone in a standard pool.

So they kill the business for everyone, their users included... but that's you what you ask actually since it means:
 * I don't care about the coin, just want btc
 * I don't care what they mine
 * I don't care at which rate they exchange, I just want some...  Grin
so no altcoin, no trading, you should just sell directly your electricity, it would probably be cheaper for you



legendary
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--- ChainWorks Industries ---

yay !!!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

yeah well I don't like multipool  Grin

time to start using your own brain

Multipools are just like mutual funds, a natural part of an open market. If crypto
really takes off be prepared for options, futures and other derivatives.

and poloniex continues the ball rolling with that Wink ... margin trading ...

as for multipools - we have been mining on coinking.io ( which has its own issues ) for various coins of our choosing ( as long as they cater for it ) and have been collating coins for quite a long time now ...

no need to convert all the coins to btc - just mine from the list they have ( and email for those coins they dont have ) and you are set ...

btw sp - nvidia-smi is always giving 'unknown errors' with getting the clocks set ...

i have researched the issue and only found it to be even more frustrating ... i used to build grids / hpc clusters - and they seem to be the main focus of nvidia's target for that fine grained control ( for tesla gpus and the like ) - so will look into that much more and see where that leads me ...

#crysx
legendary
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yeah well I don't like multipool  Grin

time to start using your own brain

Multipools are just like mutual funds, a natural part of an open market. If crypto
really takes off be prepared for options, futures and other derivatives.
legendary
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look's like Yaamp is down. I expect more pools to die. The problems with pools are that they get too greedy. Currupt pools are the worst.

Solomine to avoid fluctation

Well, it now seems official, yaamp is dead.

https://twitter.com/yaamp1

I only have a small balance pending so I'm not too concerned about it.

Trademybit's web site is still alive and they did leave a teaser in their shutdown message. I thought
they might have acted on it with quark's performance in the past several weeks.  Maybe yaamp's
demise will provide some more incentive to them. Just wishful thinking.

My problem with solomining is I'm not a speculator. I'm not interested in trying to find promising
new altcoins, avoiding the scams,  to mine for a short in and out. I never did this in the stock market
either. There aren't many coins that are practically mineable and are worth keeping, meaning they
have a substantial market cap and trade volume, and aren't likely to fade into oblivion. Only DASH
comes to mind. Then there is the hasssle of maintaining multiple wallets. I'm too lazy for that.

I could go for another service like nicehash where miners and buyers are brokered. Most rental
services rent out their own mining equipment and/or only mine sha256 or scrypt. You just have
to look at the x11 volume on nicehash and how fast quark ramped up to see it would be popular.
It would also address the complaint about auto-exchange pools, that they kill coins with their insta-dumps.
With fewer pools to mine most of the rentals would be solomining, as I suspect they already are.


yay !!!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

yeah well I don't like multipool  Grin

time to start using your own brain
I second that yay !!!  Grin
I hate multipools to the max.
hero member
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Where do I put that? In .bat file? Also i mine BCN or XMG on CPU, will this effect that in terms of hashrate?

Yes, to .bat. It will make ccminer thread to have high priority. Since ccminer takes very little cpu usage I think it will not harm ... but only test will show in yщur case ))
Thanks. I will try when I get the time to do it again.
legendary
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look's like Yaamp is down. I expect more pools to die. The problems with pools are that they get too greedy. Currupt pools are the worst.

Solomine to avoid fluctation

Well, it now seems official, yaamp is dead.

https://twitter.com/yaamp1

I only have a small balance pending so I'm not too concerned about it.

Trademybit's web site is still alive and they did leave a teaser in their shutdown message. I thought
they might have acted on it with quark's performance in the past several weeks.  Maybe yaamp's
demise will provide some more incentive to them. Just wishful thinking.

My problem with solomining is I'm not a speculator. I'm not interested in trying to find promising
new altcoins, avoiding the scams,  to mine for a short in and out. I never did this in the stock market
either. There aren't many coins that are practically mineable and are worth keeping, meaning they
have a substantial market cap and trade volume, and aren't likely to fade into oblivion. Only DASH
comes to mind. Then there is the hasssle of maintaining multiple wallets. I'm too lazy for that.

I could go for another service like nicehash where miners and buyers are brokered. Most rental
services rent out their own mining equipment and/or only mine sha256 or scrypt. You just have
to look at the x11 volume on nicehash and how fast quark ramped up to see it would be popular.
It would also address the complaint about auto-exchange pools, that they kill coins with their insta-dumps.
With fewer pools to mine most of the rentals would be solomining, as I suspect they already are.


yay !!!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

yeah well I don't like multipool  Grin

time to start using your own brain
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1114
look's like Yaamp is down. I expect more pools to die. The problems with pools are that they get too greedy. Currupt pools are the worst.

Solomine to avoid fluctation

Well, it now seems official, yaamp is dead.

https://twitter.com/yaamp1

I only have a small balance pending so I'm not too concerned about it.

Trademybit's web site is still alive and they did leave a teaser in their shutdown message. I thought
they might have acted on it with quark's performance in the past several weeks.  Maybe yaamp's
demise will provide some more incentive to them. Just wishful thinking.

My problem with solomining is I'm not a speculator. I'm not interested in trying to find promising
new altcoins, avoiding the scams,  to mine for a short in and out. I never did this in the stock market
either. There aren't many coins that are practically mineable and are worth keeping, meaning they
have a substantial market cap and trade volume, and aren't likely to fade into oblivion. Only DASH
comes to mind. Then there is the hasssle of maintaining multiple wallets. I'm too lazy for that.

I could go for another service like nicehash where miners and buyers are brokered. Most rental
services rent out their own mining equipment and/or only mine sha256 or scrypt. You just have
to look at the x11 volume on nicehash and how fast quark ramped up to see it would be popular.
It would also address the complaint about auto-exchange pools, that they kill coins with their insta-dumps.
With fewer pools to mine most of the rentals would be solomining, as I suspect they already are.

sr. member
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Merit: 252
The windows builds produce more hash, and use less power. You can get 100% more  profit if you switch to windows.

Just had a look, and a windows 8.1 license is 119€ for me. The pro version is needed for remote desktop (if you don't want to move display, keyboard and mouse around) and costs 279€.
Even if the hashrate is better, it's going to take quite some time to ROI that license cost. With that kind of money, I'd rather buy two more cards and buy you a few beers :-/
Maybe it's OK for people who have 6*970 rigs. But for me and my measly 3*750ti rig, it's a no-go.

Edit: Windows 7 pro 64 bits is 'only' 180€ in OEM version and should upgrade for free to windows 10 when it is released...

this is one of the reasons why i left windows altogether many many years ago ( i was a windows 'professional' onsite and network infrastructure consultant ) ... apart from the instability and 'graphics only' control - which is still current to this day ...

linux just blows it away when it comes to all of those points ...

but i can assure you - even with a farm - no matter what rigs you have - the cost is bloody ridiculous ...

a 'free' upgrade to windows 10 - with HUGE restrictions ... ie - you MUST have a running and licensed copy of windows 7 or 8 and above to be eligible for this 'free' upgrade ...

again ... we are sticking to linux and im personally not running anything else except for the ONE windows machine - just because i 'need' to ...

all the rest are linux - including my desktop ...

anyway - im just hoping there will be more advances in the opensource arena and linux in the very near future - to allow all these awesome apps and utilities to become much more proficient in functionality and performance ... and hopefully this will make closed source a dying area ...

#crysx

win 8.1 pro key for 2.4 $

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/microsoft-keys-windows-81-pro-26-office-2013-pro-plus-35-and-more-1043345
sp_
legendary
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Team Black developer
look's like Yaamp is down. I expect more pools to die. The problems with pools are that they get too greedy. Currupt pools are the worst.

Solomine to avoid fluctation
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