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Bitcore airdrop today. I think a nice day to buy for a quick trade profit.
Lux sp-mod  (0.05btc) is very profitable to mine right now.

LUX rally on the exchanges..

Well luxcoin WAS profitable until you mentioned it here. The diff instantly jumped almost twice. Nevermind though there are still better options to mine at this moment.
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Bitcore airdrop today. I think a nice day to buy for a quick trade profit.
Lux sp-mod  (0.05btc) is very profitable to mine right now.

LUX rally on the exchanges..
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Do or do not.
it's true with two rig you can instamine shitcoin early and make tons of money, i did it in the past and sometimes now

But you can also get burned. Mine a shitcoin that doesn't cover the power usage. Alot of work to research, install wallets, check for viruses and then hold and gamble on future price increase.
The only way to make a descent profit with a few cards.

That only makes sense if the shitcoin isn't tradeable yet. Because if it is, just mine the most profitable and buy it daily until you become a whale imho.
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it's true with two rig you can instamine shitcoin early and make tons of money, i did it in the past and sometimes now

But you can also get burned. Mine a shitcoin that doesn't cover the power usage. Alot of work to research, install wallets, check for viruses and then hold and gamble on future price increase.
The only way to make a descent profit with a few cards.
sp_
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Is this release will be optimised for 1080 ?

Increased speed on the 1070ti so I think it will scale good on the 1080 as well. I don't have 1080 cards..
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I plan to release #5 with more profit, but need more time...

Is this release will be optimised for 1080 ?
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You can mine dozens of such shitcoins.

then you get a shitload of coins.. You can become a crypto billionaire with just a few rigs in this klondyke...

it's true with two rig you can instamine shitcoin early and make tons of money, i did it in the past and sometimes now
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1) I'm not going over your convoluted numbers (like right off the bat I see you multiplying profits months ago as if you held?!? when you've been saying exactly the opposite that for your entire argument), but I can 100% guarantee that you didn't make 3x ROI in five months.

2) Some of those coins were good for a little bit, that only lasted a couple days though, as I've mentioned. When I talk about 56% growth, that's over the entire month. Not one day of good profits.

3) I don't use Nicehash. I said $2.5 a day because that's about the average per public (not super niche coins) that you can earn for a 1070 over the last month. That takes into account coin price fluctuations. Also not sure why you weed out ZEC/XMR/Ethereum, matter of a fact Cryptonight is one of the top earning algos right now as far as GPU mining goes. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

4) Memory types only really matters for mining Ethereum and even then if you adjust timings on cards it doesn't matter much. Not even sure why you're talking about the price of a 1060 and how it relates to the argument.

5) You were originally talking about resale value of your cards and how they're worth money. You once again have no idea what you're talking about and just randomly throw out parts of your argument after it's been disproven. The whole reason I'm talking about it is because you mentioned your amazing appreciation of your GPUs. XD

6) And you just stepped into the realm of extreme prospecting. That's even more volatile and more luck based then playing markets with low volume amounts. You try to make a argument for consistentcy while mining and then go talking about mining coins that have absolutely no value. For every coin that you've been able to mine before they even come out there are dozens upon dozens that are absolute garbage and have went absolutely no where.

1) The more I talk to you - the more doubts in your mental abilities. If you can't understand that 2.35BTC NOW left as BTC cost right NOW 30K$ than I don't know what will help you. For the moment in past when it was 5months ~2BTC in total were already cashed out at much cheaper prices. So for THAT moment in past it was ~35K$ (cashed out+remaining coins) made in 5months. Today it is close to 6month and it is much more - thanks to XSH and XZC.

2) What "couple" of days are you talking about? BTX was 400+Ksat for couple of weeks and even now it cost 250Ksat while in june-september it was ~50K. And it was one of the most profitable coins to mine all of that time. 25% airdrop and 3% each week also added a lot of value - actually I've mined only about a half of total coins. XSH still cost 70sat with maximum of 120sat. While even at 1 sat price it was profitable to mine.

3) Once again. If you don't have a clue how to make 35K(+10K) from 10K in 5 months than it's better to shut your mouth and learn Smiley. Yes, only niche coins can make you x10-x100 profit. You won't be able to make it with eth/zec/xmr etc top coins nowadays. For last month - average profit for not niche coins - was 3-4$ per 1070. Thats your lack of knowledge that leads you to 2.5$. So - mine zec and be happy.  Grin
And yes - all that is only when we are talking about $$$-$$$$ for 1coin. In bigger numbers field it is impossible as the total market is too small.

4) At least 3 algos heavily depend on memory type. Ethash/neoscrypt/cryptonight. 1060/6G can make 920H/s being the most profitable for dozen of neoscrypt vivoclone shitcoins that appeared in the last 3months. Right now it makes 6$/day on one of that coins. And right now even 14$ with VIVO (but of course it won't last long)

5) What are you talking about? I've sold 1 farm for more money that I payed for it 5.5months ago. And invested them in Vega. ETN mining for several days makes 8-10$ if I simply dump coins imediately after mine.

6) Of cause there are a lot of garbage or simply unsuccessful coins (e.g. XVG). Yes - in many aspects crypto is a lottery but it is not only matter of luck but also research, calculations, analyzing etc. All that increases my chances. On that road there are a lot of faults - I could have made much more if for instance I would have sold all remaining SIGT at 1000sat. Or if I sell BTX an 600+Ksat etc.
But again you don't understand simple thing. Investment in GPU(mining) is like getting XXX lottery tickets instead of ONE. It simply increase your chances.
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Playing with hardware is much safer than playing the market, you'll never lose 80% of the value on your GPUs over night, but Bitcoin can go back to $1000-2000 in matter of hours though.

Holding isn't 'playing the market'.

So curiously, you guys DO realize that when you mine coins that's directly tied to market value right? Every time you mine a coin, it is directly connected to the value of the market. If it goes up or down before you sell, you lose or gain money. You area already playing the market you just don't know it. Just because you sell immediately doesn't mean you are immune to market fluctuations. One of the reasons we're making $3 per 1070 IS because BTC has increased in value. If it didn't, the amount of money you're making would more then likely not increase (there are very, very, very few coins that will move against BTC and when they do it's temporary).

So if BTC crashes and burn, so will your daily profits. Mining isn't like this magically safe sanctum of guaranteed profit. It is literally, directly tied to market value.

1) The thing is YOU DIDN'T MAKE 3.5 ROI! That's what we're talking about you silly goose. You aren't earning $7.5 a day per 1070. Like you just will numbers out of your ass and go 'nuh uh'. The whole reason I brought it up is because we AREN'T making that sort of money and it's more profitable holding BTC then investing it in mining hardware.

2) Why did you magically make an extra 5k in five months?

3) Your numbers don't even make sense. Jesus...

4) LOL hardware doesn't increase in value, it depreciates. And no, the prices of GPUs have relatively returned to the original values so they aren't artificially worth more (nor would you sell them right now anyway).
5) When you would sell them, your quoted 'five years' down the line they'll be worth about $70 a piece.
I understand that it's hard to believe or simply understand but:
1) It's simple - I did. The recipy for today was simple SIGT(~1BTC), BTX (~2.5BTC), XSH(0.8BTC) and several others less profitable. 0.8BTC of XSH was mined by ~15*1070 for 2 days. ~0.3BTC(part of the total SIGT) was mined by 2*1080 by 1 night with the shittest sgminer that made less than 8Mh on 1060. 10K in GPUs made around 5.5BTC in total for 6months. Some were cashed out. Some remains in coins. If I wouldn't cash some BTC earlier - it would be ~60K at current price.
2) It's simple - price of coins change every day.
3) Yes - these numbers doesn't make sense for nichehash/zpool&yaap's/ethereum/zec/xmr and others mining and cashing out imediately. For most of those who mine only with x$/day in mind they don't make sense.
4) 1060/6 just before June pump cost <200Euro. You can check the price today. So even used they still cost +/- the same or even more - it's hard to find Samsung memory in 1060 nowadays.
5) Actually I don't care whether I would sell them or not in five years. I think in a year I can throw them in a trash and buy new generation of GPU's.

I'm not going over your convoluted numbers (like right off the bat I see you multiplying profits months ago as if you held?!? when you've been saying exactly the opposite that for your entire argument), but I can 100% guarantee that you didn't make 3x ROI in five months. Some of those coins were good for a little bit, that only lasted a couple days though, as I've mentioned. When I talk about 56% growth, that's over the entire month. Not one day of good profits.

Yes they do change every day, as does the price of BTC. No shit, that's literally what I've been talking about and how that increase has been more profitable then directly mining.

I don't use Nicehash. I said $2.5 a day because that's about the average per public (not super niche coins) that you can earn for a 1070 over the last month. That takes into account coin price fluctuations. Also not sure why you weed out ZEC/XMR/Ethereum, matter of a fact Cryptonight is one of the top earning algos right now as far as GPU mining goes. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

Memory types only really matters for mining Ethereum and even then if you adjust timings on cards it doesn't matter much. Not even sure why you're talking about the price of a 1060 and how it relates to the argument.

You were originally talking about resale value of your cards and how they're worth money. You once again have no idea what you're talking about and just randomly throw out parts of your argument after it's been disproven. The whole reason I'm talking about it is because you mentioned your amazing appreciation of your GPUs. XD

No, there isn't a 'pluses', you have to BUY hardware and it's not easily liquidable. Furthermore you would be earning a lot more then that this month considering (as of the original post) increased in value 56%.
Your problem is that you don't understand main plus of hardware. You can MINE coins that you can't buy. You can mine them first, mine before someone will be able to buy them. And you can mine them a LOT. You can mine dozens of such shitcoins. XSH - definite shitcoin - pumped = 0.8BTC for 2 days of 15*1070.
3$*15GPU*30days = 1350$
0,8BTC = 9200$
So my 15*1070 can earn nothing in the nearest 6months and still will be more profitable than niceminers.

And you just stepped into the realm of extreme prospecting. That's even more volatile and more luck based then playing markets with low volume amounts. You try to make a argument for consistentcy while mining and then go talking about mining coins that have absolutely no value. For every coin that you've been able to mine before they even come out there are dozens upon dozens that are absolute garbage and have went absolutely no where.

You can buy a lottery ticket and win the lottery tomorrow. That has no place in a discussion of stats and economics. Matter of a fact I bought a coin yesterday and it's 100000000000x times in value! I made so much money, te-herp. See how that works? You can do the same thing without using mining hardware.

You can mine dozens of such shitcoins.

then you get a shitload of coins.. You can become a crypto billionaire with just a few rigs in this klondyke...

Yup, everyone will become a billionaire in these five easy steps.
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New record high for bitcoin...

news @ 07 october 2017:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/feds-net-48-million-from-the-sale-of-silk-roads-bitcoins-but-miss-out-on-600-million-payday/

news @ 03 december 2017:

Feds-net-48-million-from-the-sale-of-silk-roads-bitcoins-but-miss-out-on-1698-million-payday

Seems it’ll never stop!
All the more reason to HODL your Bitcoins rather than "donate" them to sp_
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Seems it’ll never stop!

Next season I think I will hire Todd Hoffman to boost the profit of my farm..  Grin
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New record high for bitcoin...

news @ 07 october 2017:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/feds-net-48-million-from-the-sale-of-silk-roads-bitcoins-but-miss-out-on-600-million-payday/

news @ 03 december 2017:

Feds-net-48-million-from-the-sale-of-silk-roads-bitcoins-but-miss-out-on-1698-million-payday

Seems it’ll never stop!
sp_
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You can mine dozens of such shitcoins.

then you get a shitload of coins.. You can become a crypto billionaire with just a few rigs in this klondyke...
sp_
legendary
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New record high for bitcoin...

news @ 07 october 2017:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/feds-net-48-million-from-the-sale-of-silk-roads-bitcoins-but-miss-out-on-600-million-payday/

news @ 03 december 2017:

Feds-net-48-million-from-the-sale-of-silk-roads-bitcoins-but-miss-out-on-1698-million-payday
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No, there isn't a 'pluses', you have to BUY hardware and it's not easily liquidable. Furthermore you would be earning a lot more then that this month considering (as of the original post) increased in value 56%.
Your problem is that you don't understand main plus of hardware. You can MINE coins that you can't buy. You can mine them first, mine before someone will be able to buy them. And you can mine them a LOT. You can mine dozens of such shitcoins. XSH - definite shitcoin - pumped = 0.8BTC for 2 days of 15*1070.
3$*15GPU*30days = 1350$
0,8BTC = 9200$
So my 15*1070 can earn nothing in the nearest 6months and still will be more profitable than niceminers.
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1) The thing is YOU DIDN'T MAKE 3.5 ROI! That's what we're talking about you silly goose. You aren't earning $7.5 a day per 1070. Like you just will numbers out of your ass and go 'nuh uh'. The whole reason I brought it up is because we AREN'T making that sort of money and it's more profitable holding BTC then investing it in mining hardware.

2) Why did you magically make an extra 5k in five months?

3) Your numbers don't even make sense. Jesus...

4) LOL hardware doesn't increase in value, it depreciates. And no, the prices of GPUs have relatively returned to the original values so they aren't artificially worth more (nor would you sell them right now anyway).
5) When you would sell them, your quoted 'five years' down the line they'll be worth about $70 a piece.
I understand that it's hard to believe or simply understand but:
1) It's simple - I did. The recipy for today was simple SIGT(~1BTC), BTX (~2.5BTC), XSH(0.8BTC) and several others less profitable. 0.8BTC of XSH was mined by ~15*1070 for 2 days. ~0.3BTC(part of the total SIGT) was mined by 2*1080 by 1 night with the shittest sgminer that made less than 8Mh on 1060. 10K in GPUs made around 5.5BTC in total for 6months. Some were cashed out. Some remains in coins. If I wouldn't cash some BTC earlier - it would be ~60K at current price.
2) It's simple - price of coins change every day.
3) Yes - these numbers doesn't make sense for nichehash/zpool&yaap's/ethereum/zec/xmr and others mining and cashing out imediately. For most of those who mine only with x$/day in mind they don't make sense.
4) 1060/6 just before June pump cost <200Euro. You can check the price today. So even used they still cost +/- the same or even more - it's hard to find Samsung memory in 1060 nowadays.
5) Actually I don't care whether I would sell them or not in five years. I think in a year I can throw them in a trash and buy new generation of GPU's.
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Hi. please help with keccak-mode.
It doesn't work with CREA coin.

CREA coin is using a different keccak implementation so my mod won't work. Mine Smartcash,Maxcoin rent out hash at nicehash or zpool or other compatible coins..
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We aren't talking about prices five years ago, we're talking about right now and the last couple months. You've been able to make more by holding BTC then buying mining equipment for the last five or so months.

Yeah, seems you're a victim of your own logic. As I've already mentioned BTC, currency is fluid. Meaning instead of holding it you can sell and buy mining equipment. You CAN'T do that with mining equipment, mentioning this for the third time because you keep seemingly overlook it.

No, you didn't manage to catch up with BTC, your math is seriously flawed. It's all percent based dude. This last month BTC increased in value 54%, the amount you earned back on that GPU is 19%, that compounds, which you're attempting to do, but also forget that applies to BTC as well. Meaning if you earn more, that will in return also earn you more. I'm not sure why you're stuck on GPUs being some weird sort of magic money creator that doesn't apply to other parts of investing.

And also, no you didn't make 3x ROI in five months. That's fucking retarded. That means on that $2500 you were earning $1500 a month. Based on $2500 I'm going to assume it's a 6x1070 rig. At $2.5 a day (completely disregarding power costs), you earned $450 a month. Meaning you still haven't quite ROI'd in five months. Otherwise you were earning $7.5 a day per card, what coins have you been mining these last couple months? Profits haven't been that good since the beginning of summer and it only lasted for about a month. And no your cards aren't worth 4x their value. They're worth less now then when you bought them as they've been depreciating. The closer we get to new release of GPUs the more they'll depreciate. $400 in BTC is still worth $400 (actually it'd be worth a lot more now as BTC has been appreciating). GPUs don't appreciate

'But what if' is not what we're talking about. I wasn't talking about fantasy. BTC increased by 54% over the last month as of making that post. I'm not even sure why you're doing 'what if's', this isn't make believe.
If you have problems with maths - don't call someone retarded - it is solely your problem.
If 10K invested in GPU's made 35K in 5 months - it is 3.5xROI. Additionally 10K in GPU's cost even more now.
So in 5 months 10K => at least 45K.
10K  invested in BTC => 40K today
Return to school boy - don't look more foolish than you are.


Pointing the finger back doesn't make it true dude.

The thing is YOU DIDN'T MAKE 3.5 ROI! That's what we're talking about you silly goose. You aren't earning $7.5 a day per 1070. Like you just will numbers out of your ass and go 'nuh uh'. The whole reason I brought it up is because we AREN'T making that sort of money and it's more profitable holding BTC then investing it in mining hardware.

Why did you magically make an extra 5k in five months? Your numbers don't even make sense. Jesus... LOL hardware doesn't increase in value, it depreciates. And no, the prices of GPUs have relatively returned to the original values so they aren't artificially worth more (nor would you sell them right now anyway). When you would sell them, your quoted 'five years' down the line they'll be worth about $70 a piece.

I guess it's better to be a 'boy' (apparently you know my age?) then someone who can't even do multipliciation, look at his earnings, or know about opportunity cost. We aren't even touching on the ability to move assets around since you can barely grasp earnings. -_-

10K rigs ROI in 1.4 months? Please teach me master! You must have an ASIC factory in your garage.

He's an idiot.

Not wanting to butt this conversation, but I have no shame.
- "GPUs don't appreciate"
Funny how I sold my 280x GPUs for almost 2x what I paid for them...of course this summer people were going crazy, was a good time to offload the old gear.  If I had the space I would keep everything.

Yeah, I bet you did, if you bought them used. Most people aren't stupid enough to buy used. In other words you bought them after the markets crashed in '14-15 and then sold them after Ethereum took off. That's rare and will more then likely (99.999%) never happen in the future. Ethereum is an extremely weird bird as far as cryptos go and there will more then likely never be anything like it again.

Simple math. Best case scenario(unrealistic and incomplete) 10000$ / 250$ = 40 rx 570 (let`s forgot psu, mobo, ram etc..)
Then profit is around 2$ per gpu per day with .10/kwh. So on a positive side let`s say we have 31 days months. So it`s 2480 of profit per month...

10000/2480= 4.03 month to roi.

But there`s some unpredictable variables to add to mining and it is: What if you have been lucky and have start mining 2-3 months before the masses a low diff coin and this one jump 300% one day following a pump. Have got this result mining Zencash while everyone was mining eth. An other one that have happened to me. Have bought some Amd 570 before the Eth mining mania and have been able to sell all of them with a 100$ profit and then have rebuy some Gtx1070 at retail price and then add the option of mining Equihash efficiently . And now if I want to buy some Rx(best short term Roi) the price have returned to normal and even better I have rebought some rx570 that I have previously sold to a guy under retail price and as extra got the mobo and all the hw to complete the rig... Smiley Sometime the game is about timing and moving fast to stay ahead of the game. Holding coins and pray is not for me 99% are shit coins anyway, I make way much more $$$ with day trading then mining, but mining is a passive income that I still found interesting cause day trading is pretty time consuming. Spending almost 16h a day on that.... But nothing is free and this is not for everyone, 90% are too lazy and fail.

So which one is the best? Holding or mining? Both have their plus and minus, I guess....

Maths with unpredictable variables = 0 . Roi time could be + or - .

Even 580s aren't making $2 per day while dual mining.

No, there isn't a 'pluses', you have to BUY hardware and it's not easily liquidable. Furthermore you would be earning a lot more then that this month considering (as of the original post) increased in value 56%.

It's hilarious you are considering playing the 'hardware' markets by buying them low and selling them high, but we haven't even touched on actual markets. You could've done that with BTC this last month and made possibly double or triple your investment (based on the really big dives and rises we had). Overall if you just held you would've made an additional 56%. There is no way you will see a return anywhere close to that with mining. Not a chance.

BTC isn't a shitcoin, nor is it 'praying'. If you don't understand markets you're in the wrong game.

Could BTC interest decrease quite a bit? Sure. But you can just buy mining hardware then. The opposite direction isn't true, you can't easily turn mining hardware into BTC.

Playing with hardware is much safer than playing the market, you'll never lose 80% of the value on your GPUs over night, but Bitcoin can go back to $1000-2000 in matter of hours though.
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We aren't talking about prices five years ago, we're talking about right now and the last couple months. You've been able to make more by holding BTC then buying mining equipment for the last five or so months.

Yeah, seems you're a victim of your own logic. As I've already mentioned BTC, currency is fluid. Meaning instead of holding it you can sell and buy mining equipment. You CAN'T do that with mining equipment, mentioning this for the third time because you keep seemingly overlook it.

No, you didn't manage to catch up with BTC, your math is seriously flawed. It's all percent based dude. This last month BTC increased in value 54%, the amount you earned back on that GPU is 19%, that compounds, which you're attempting to do, but also forget that applies to BTC as well. Meaning if you earn more, that will in return also earn you more. I'm not sure why you're stuck on GPUs being some weird sort of magic money creator that doesn't apply to other parts of investing.

And also, no you didn't make 3x ROI in five months. That's fucking retarded. That means on that $2500 you were earning $1500 a month. Based on $2500 I'm going to assume it's a 6x1070 rig. At $2.5 a day (completely disregarding power costs), you earned $450 a month. Meaning you still haven't quite ROI'd in five months. Otherwise you were earning $7.5 a day per card, what coins have you been mining these last couple months? Profits haven't been that good since the beginning of summer and it only lasted for about a month. And no your cards aren't worth 4x their value. They're worth less now then when you bought them as they've been depreciating. The closer we get to new release of GPUs the more they'll depreciate. $400 in BTC is still worth $400 (actually it'd be worth a lot more now as BTC has been appreciating). GPUs don't appreciate

'But what if' is not what we're talking about. I wasn't talking about fantasy. BTC increased by 54% over the last month as of making that post. I'm not even sure why you're doing 'what if's', this isn't make believe.
If you have problems with maths - don't call someone retarded - it is solely your problem.
If 10K invested in GPU's made 35K in 5 months - it is 3.5xROI. Additionally 10K in GPU's cost even more now.
So in 5 months 10K => at least 45K.
10K  invested in BTC => 40K today
Return to school boy - don't look more foolish than you are.


Pointing the finger back doesn't make it true dude.

The thing is YOU DIDN'T MAKE 3.5 ROI! That's what we're talking about you silly goose. You aren't earning $7.5 a day per 1070. Like you just will numbers out of your ass and go 'nuh uh'. The whole reason I brought it up is because we AREN'T making that sort of money and it's more profitable holding BTC then investing it in mining hardware.

Why did you magically make an extra 5k in five months? Your numbers don't even make sense. Jesus... LOL hardware doesn't increase in value, it depreciates. And no, the prices of GPUs have relatively returned to the original values so they aren't artificially worth more (nor would you sell them right now anyway). When you would sell them, your quoted 'five years' down the line they'll be worth about $70 a piece.

I guess it's better to be a 'boy' (apparently you know my age?) then someone who can't even do multipliciation, look at his earnings, or know about opportunity cost. We aren't even touching on the ability to move assets around since you can barely grasp earnings. -_-

10K rigs ROI in 1.4 months? Please teach me master! You must have an ASIC factory in your garage.

He's an idiot.

Not wanting to butt this conversation, but I have no shame.
- "GPUs don't appreciate"
Funny how I sold my 280x GPUs for almost 2x what I paid for them...of course this summer people were going crazy, was a good time to offload the old gear.  If I had the space I would keep everything.

Yeah, I bet you did, if you bought them used. Most people aren't stupid enough to buy used. In other words you bought them after the markets crashed in '14-15 and then sold them after Ethereum took off. That's rare and will more then likely (99.999%) never happen in the future. Ethereum is an extremely weird bird as far as cryptos go and there will more then likely never be anything like it again.

Simple math. Best case scenario(unrealistic and incomplete) 10000$ / 250$ = 40 rx 570 (let`s forgot psu, mobo, ram etc..)
Then profit is around 2$ per gpu per day with .10/kwh. So on a positive side let`s say we have 31 days months. So it`s 2480 of profit per month...

10000/2480= 4.03 month to roi.

But there`s some unpredictable variables to add to mining and it is: What if you have been lucky and have start mining 2-3 months before the masses a low diff coin and this one jump 300% one day following a pump. Have got this result mining Zencash while everyone was mining eth. An other one that have happened to me. Have bought some Amd 570 before the Eth mining mania and have been able to sell all of them with a 100$ profit and then have rebuy some Gtx1070 at retail price and then add the option of mining Equihash efficiently . And now if I want to buy some Rx(best short term Roi) the price have returned to normal and even better I have rebought some rx570 that I have previously sold to a guy under retail price and as extra got the mobo and all the hw to complete the rig... Smiley Sometime the game is about timing and moving fast to stay ahead of the game. Holding coins and pray is not for me 99% are shit coins anyway, I make way much more $$$ with day trading then mining, but mining is a passive income that I still found interesting cause day trading is pretty time consuming. Spending almost 16h a day on that.... But nothing is free and this is not for everyone, 90% are too lazy and fail.

So which one is the best? Holding or mining? Both have their plus and minus, I guess....

Maths with unpredictable variables = 0 . Roi time could be + or - .

Even 580s aren't making $2 per day while dual mining.

No, there isn't a 'pluses', you have to BUY hardware and it's not easily liquidable. Furthermore you would be earning a lot more then that this month considering (as of the original post) increased in value 56%.

It's hilarious you are considering playing the 'hardware' markets by buying them low and selling them high, but we haven't even touched on actual markets. You could've done that with BTC this last month and made possibly double or triple your investment (based on the really big dives and rises we had). Overall if you just held you would've made an additional 56%. There is no way you will see a return anywhere close to that with mining. Not a chance.

BTC isn't a shitcoin, nor is it 'praying'. If you don't understand markets you're in the wrong game.

Could BTC interest decrease quite a bit? Sure. But you can just buy mining hardware then. The opposite direction isn't true, you can't easily turn mining hardware into BTC.
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