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Topic: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. - page 349. (Read 2347659 times)

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legendary
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Everyone wants shit for free. People bitch and moan so it's 'free'. Don't be afraid to charge for your work. Real support doesn't come from people who only give you kind words so they get free things.

SP I'm going to once again suggest using a dev fee as I did multiple times. Even in work that uses other peoples work you can have a dev fee, the source just needs to be provided. At 2% there aren't many people that are going to go out of their way to remove it, especially with readily available binaries. OR add it as a option that's enabled by default and can be disabled with -nofee or something along those lines. You can charge for work that uses others work as long as the source is available.

I will opensource my feecode.

Good that you're improving equihash though.

9% faster than the opensource is still a few percent slower than EFWB. When I release it, he will probobly integrate my changes into his fork and continue to be the fastest..
legendary
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Everyone wants shit for free. People bitch and moan so it's 'free'. Don't be afraid to charge for your work. Real support doesn't come from people who only give you kind words so they get free things.

SP I'm going to once again suggest using a dev fee as I did multiple times. Even in work that uses other peoples work you can have a dev fee, the source just needs to be provided. At 2% there aren't many people that are going to go out of their way to remove it, especially with readily available binaries. OR add it as a option that's enabled by default and can be disabled with -nofee or something along those lines. You can charge for work that uses others work as long as the source is available.

So there really is no difference between giving it away 'for free' or just having a dev fee already built in with source available. If people choose to remove it you're still earning more then you would be otherwise.

Good that you're improving equihash though.

yeah make it open source, i don't think you need peanuts of 0.05 from random dude that will resell it to another random dude, you have your farm that will cover everything

That literally has nothing to do with his work. His farm will regardless of him 'donating' work to other miners. Matter of a fact it earns more if he doesn't. Also earning .05BTC from one person is more then earning none from everyone.
legendary
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yeah make it open source, i don't think you need peanuts of 0.05 from random dude that will resell it to another random dude, you have your farm that will cover everything
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legendary
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Team Black developer
any link for download ?
couldn`t find it on github

It's not done yet.
newbie
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any link for download ?
couldn`t find it on github
legendary
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I am working on tvpruvot / DJezo's opensource Equihash kernel and managed to gain 9%. I am pretty sure my changes are different from excevator and ewfb.. I might opensource my work for free.. My mod works best with 4 threads pr gpu

IF YOU KEEP IT OPEN SOURCE I WILL DONATE AGAIN--

Please keep the code open source.  The storm of nasty comments that fester up after each of your binary releases is too much for me to bear.  

A few new coders have already posted binaries, several had an "illegal memory error" that seemed similar.  Epsylon3's own version has a broken Jackpot Hashing Algorithm (JHA) that generates a similar error.  Whatever you release may be prone to this error on some users' systems.  Just a warning, because miners need stable software just as much as they want speed enhancement.       --scryptr

EDIT: Everyone who is interested in an enhanced, open source CCminer that mines Equihash should at least pledge a donation.  The CPU boost feature on sp_ 's CCminer can add up to 5% speed in adition to any assembly code improvements.       --scryptr
full member
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I am working on tvpruvot's opensource Equihash kernel and managed to gain 9%. I am pretty sure my changes are different from excevator and ewfb.. I might opensource my work for free.. My mod works best with 4 threads pr gpu
That's good news. I like sp forks for the speed and what more important stability. Hope this kernel will be stable too
sp_
legendary
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Team Black developer
I am working on tvpruvot / DJezo's opensource Equihash kernel and managed to gain 9%. I am pretty sure my changes are different from excevator and ewfb.. I might opensource my work for free.. My mod works best with 4 threads pr gpu
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legendary
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Team Black developer
They have a cuda core that can do 4x4 matrix multiplication in 1 GPU cycle.

But few cryptocoin algos need fast matrix multiplications.. The only algos I can think of is M7 (cryptonite), primecoin, Nexus (prime solver) ..
legendary
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hello everyone ,

nvidia volta appeared , and maybe we`ll see the new cards by christmas

i`m courious to see first mining rigs build on new arhitecture (nvlink vs pcie ) any thoughts ?

performance of v100 seems to be 4x gtx 1060 ...and that is on one single card Shocked

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3196026/components-graphics/nvidias-monstrous-volta-gpu-appears-packed-with-21-billion-transistors-and-5120-cores.html

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/volta-gpu-architecture/?ncid=van-volta-gpu-architecture

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-volta-gv100-gpu-tesla-v100-architecture-specifications-deep-dive/

These cards are designed specifically for scientific computing. They have a cuda core that can do 4x4 matrix multiplication in 1 GPU cycle. The kind of optimization like Bitcoin mining ASICs.

So here's my question: how will GPU mining evolve? Currently any gaming card can mine reasonably well. But as Nvidia specializing their cards to deep learning and AMD specializing their cards to memory performance, it's become harder to democratize PoW mining. 4x4 matrix multiplication (or some future ISA innovations) could prove huge in some algos but a $15000 card is not something that common people will buy.

Same way ASICs work right now. Extremely specialized hardware that are only really good at a few things (almost never more then one algo), so similar. They'll probably be great in some algos with customized programming and trash in others, somewhat like the way FPGAs work right now. I don't anticipate these will change things that much.

The more interesting option is the desktop cards that will follow this as original post was talking about.
legendary
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--- ChainWorks Industries ---
hello everyone ,

nvidia volta appeared , and maybe we`ll see the new cards by christmas

i`m courious to see first mining rigs build on new arhitecture (nvlink vs pcie ) any thoughts ?

performance of v100 seems to be 4x gtx 1060 ...and that is on one single card Shocked

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3196026/components-graphics/nvidias-monstrous-volta-gpu-appears-packed-with-21-billion-transistors-and-5120-cores.html

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/volta-gpu-architecture/?ncid=van-volta-gpu-architecture

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-volta-gv100-gpu-tesla-v100-architecture-specifications-deep-dive/

These cards are designed specifically for scientific computing. They have a cuda core that can do 4x4 matrix multiplication in 1 GPU cycle. The kind of optimization like Bitcoin mining ASICs.

So here's my question: how will GPU mining evolve? Currently any gaming card can mine reasonably well. But as Nvidia specializing their cards to deep learning and AMD specializing their cards to memory performance, it's become harder to democratize PoW mining. 4x4 matrix multiplication (or some future ISA innovations) could prove huge in some algos but a $15000 card is not something that common people will buy.

we are interested in these also ...

we have contacted nvidia - as well as a few infrastructure companies - and looking at designing a new breed of miner for thefarm ...

none of this will be cheap - and none of it for the 'everyday' miner ... until the desktop editions come out of course - and even then they will be very high end systems ...

#crysx
member
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hello everyone ,

nvidia volta appeared , and maybe we`ll see the new cards by christmas

i`m courious to see first mining rigs build on new arhitecture (nvlink vs pcie ) any thoughts ?

performance of v100 seems to be 4x gtx 1060 ...and that is on one single card Shocked

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3196026/components-graphics/nvidias-monstrous-volta-gpu-appears-packed-with-21-billion-transistors-and-5120-cores.html

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/volta-gpu-architecture/?ncid=van-volta-gpu-architecture

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-volta-gv100-gpu-tesla-v100-architecture-specifications-deep-dive/

These cards are designed specifically for scientific computing. They have a cuda core that can do 4x4 matrix multiplication in 1 GPU cycle. The kind of optimization like Bitcoin mining ASICs.

So here's my question: how will GPU mining evolve? Currently any gaming card can mine reasonably well. But as Nvidia specializing their cards to deep learning and AMD specializing their cards to memory performance, it's become harder to democratize PoW mining. 4x4 matrix multiplication (or some future ISA innovations) could prove huge in some algos but a $15000 card is not something that common people will buy.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1024
hello everyone ,

nvidia volta appeared , and maybe we`ll see the new cards by christmas

i`m courious to see first mining rigs build on new arhitecture (nvlink vs pcie ) any thoughts ?

performance of v100 seems to be 4x gtx 1060 ...and that is on one single card Shocked

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3196026/components-graphics/nvidias-monstrous-volta-gpu-appears-packed-with-21-billion-transistors-and-5120-cores.html

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/volta-gpu-architecture/?ncid=van-volta-gpu-architecture

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-volta-gv100-gpu-tesla-v100-architecture-specifications-deep-dive/

That's on par with a year and a half to two year refresh cycle. Stuff like this usually comes out before desktop cards come out and it's scheduled for fall, so guessing we'll see cards early spring.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
hello everyone ,

nvidia volta appeared , and maybe we`ll see the new cards by christmas

i`m courious to see first mining rigs build on new arhitecture (nvlink vs pcie ) any thoughts ?

performance of v100 seems to be 4x gtx 1060 ...and that is on one single card Shocked

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3196026/components-graphics/nvidias-monstrous-volta-gpu-appears-packed-with-21-billion-transistors-and-5120-cores.html

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/volta-gpu-architecture/?ncid=van-volta-gpu-architecture

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-volta-gv100-gpu-tesla-v100-architecture-specifications-deep-dive/
legendary
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ccminer/cpuminer developer
you talk like djm lol Wink
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1024
I dont have "customers", and if i had i would refuse Amph directly

Don't buy MSI at all for mining, they are cute but inefficient and they reject directly all customer RMA requests if you have a problem. I would say the same about the Gigabyte G1 series efficiency, they are wasting watts by default.

Could be different in the US though (the RMA, cf gpushack)

vertical orientation on heatsinks is only good for open rigs... not for a desktop. About that, not all fans like to be used vertically, some will fail early.

And yes im grumpy because i hate this equihash world, full of dev fees and which almost left the opensource system... I'm trying to fix that.. but im not motivated at all by the community this time...

Vertical orientation is the direction of the fins on the card versus horizontal, doesn't have anything to do with the direction in which the card is in your case.
legendary
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despite your hate towards me i'm still mining at your pool, i have no grudge toward you, maybe your should improve yourself other than the miner  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1082
ccminer/cpuminer developer
I dont have "customers", and if i had i would refuse Amph directly

Don't buy MSI at all for mining, they are cute but inefficient and they reject directly all customer RMA requests if you have a problem. I would say the same about the Gigabyte G1 series efficiency, they are wasting watts by default.

Could be different in the US though (the RMA, cf gpushack)

vertical orientation on heatsinks is only good for open rigs... not for a desktop. About that, not all fans like to be used vertically, some will fail early.

And yes im grumpy because i hate this equihash world, full of dev fees and which almost left the opensource system... I'm trying to fix that.. but im not motivated at all by the community this time...
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1024
Yeah, seems someone pissed in Epsy's cheerios lately.


In other news, if you're looking to buy 1080s, don't get MSI Duke's. It seems like their coolers would be superb, but they aren't. MSI white coolers are terrible, their reds only barely cool 1070s (Asus, Evga, and Zotac triples all are better). The Duke cooler is huge and while it does cool better then their reds, it still is inferior to the other brands I already mentioned.

MSI coolers definitely don't cut it at higher TDPs. Much like the Zotac AMP! (with the double fan cooler), they decided to wrap the entire side of the card. While this looks great it leaves absolutely no room for air to escape. The majority of the air will try to escape from both ends of the card even though the fins aren't aligned horizontally. This is another design oversight. While the fins on the red cards are oriented horizontally, they're changed to a vertical position with the Duke. For reference Asus and EVGA orient their fins vertically. This means the air has to pass over less fins before it's exhausted resulting in much better cooling and much less pressure being needed to move air through the fins. While they changed this with the Duke they neglected to remove the extra shit from the sides of the card where the fins want to exhaust (look at the edges on Newegg pictures and compare them to Asus and EVGA). The edges are wrapped tight as a nuns knickers. It's like attempting to blow a bunch of air into a bottle, there is no where for it to go. Really, a very silly oversight.

Zotac for instance fixed this between their AMP! 1070 two fan and their three fan. After I made a tough critique on it both here and on Newegg the design was changed and the three fan models cool much better simply by having the edges trimmed to half their normal overhang.

Despite the size of the Duke the cooling isn't really that much better then the reds (also despite what their website says about it being a great cooler for harsh environments). Kinda shitty, MSI seems to make quality cards. I've never once had one of their fans die and besides the initial reliability issues with their 1070s I haven't had many burn outs, but simple testing either internally or against their competitors would easily show that their cooling solution is inferior. Even though they're huge and it seems like what you would consider to be a great cooler stay away from these cards for mining.
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
Epsylon3 has been busy with alot of nice opensource commit's lately, but Custumer Satisfaction is not his priority right now...
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