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legendary
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[...] Steem is fair, it's just a very unoptimal model for miners. [...]

You don't seem familiar with the facts of the Steem launch. Most/More information is available for anyone interested in learning more about it, so I'll avoid posting further about it here. I would only add that fair is all kinds of wrong in the highlighted sentence.

Using it in the context of mining.

That's really the same context as in my response bensam1231. The details are too long winded to be posting here, and I have no inclination to extend on it either.

Anyhow, back to mining: Anyone has been testing the Claymore dual miner that can report on profitability for Pascal cards? A few comments I read here and there, seem to suggest a very moderate profit increase, especially if we take into account the added power usage.
legendary
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I know what could be a great CPU coin, make POW CPU coin, make it as steemit concept but pure POW and fair, miners must use private key for mining so pools are not possible, make it only minable solo, use as harder algo to kill any GPU mining attempt in near future
I could see good prospect for that kind of CPU coin

This depends on how important mining is to the sucess of the coin. If you view it as an undesireable necessity it's fine if
you discourage miners by making them jump through hoops. but if you view mining as a way to market the coin it would
be counterproductive. From my own perspective my initial interest in crypto was via mining. I didn't care then, or care now,
about coins that can't be mined easilly.
legendary
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For comparison my i7-6700K @ 4 GHz does 290 h/s XMR.

The issue with "CPU algos" and GPUs is a combination of architectural limitations limiting the potential gain combined with
increased development effort to try to overcome these limitations. Lots of work for little gain -  low motivation.

Lyra2 is an interesting case. Lyra2RE performs much better on a CPU than Lyra2REv2 compared with nvidia GPUs. Using the latest
optimisations for both CPU and GPU miners, and hash rates normalised, Lyra2RE mines at 4x Lyra2REv2 on a CPU compared with
a GPU at 1x.

A 750ti mines cryptonight @ 300H/s @ around 50 watt with my private miner.
What speed are you getting in lyra2v2 and lyra2RE with your cpu miner?

300 sounds good but private miners don't interest me.
I get 290 but I haven't measured the power. It runs a lot cooler than most other algos so it's probably fairly light on power.

On my i7-6700K @ 4 GHz:

lyra2re: 1390 kH/s
lyra2rev2: 1350 kH/s
legendary
Activity: 1764
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[...] Steem is fair, it's just a very unoptimal model for miners. [...]

You don't seem familiar with the facts of the Steem launch. Most/More information is available for anyone interested in learning more about it, so I'll avoid posting further about it here. I would only add that fair is all kinds of wrong in the highlighted sentence.

Using it in the context of mining.
legendary
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The last free miner for cryptonight XMR windows x64 which is ? , i want try one idea with my gtx 1070 .
legendary
Activity: 1154
Merit: 1001
[...] Steem is fair, it's just a very unoptimal model for miners. [...]

You don't seem familiar with the facts of the Steem launch. Most/More information is available for anyone interested in learning more about it, so I'll avoid posting further about it here. I would only add that fair is all kinds of wrong in the highlighted sentence.
legendary
Activity: 1764
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I know what could be a great CPU coin, make POW CPU coin, make it as steemit concept but pure POW and fair, miners must use private key for mining so pools are not possible, make it only minable solo, use as harder algo to kill any GPU mining attempt in near future
I could see good prospect for that kind of CPU coin

What's wrong with pools? In your example, big CPU miners would show up and obliterate any small CPU miners. There are no pools, so they get almost all of the blocks... You end up with block times in the 2-4 weeks range... You see no blocks in the first five days, then give up. Big CPU miners gobble all of your 'fair' blocks.

Steem is fair, it's just a very unoptimal model for miners. Specifically because mining costs electricity and there is no way to tell how much Steem power will be worth two years from now... or if it will even still be around. Just like HODL coin. You're essentially burning dollar bills for the sake of them not wanting you to dump on their coin that they're paying you to secure/process.

You could totally automate a system where each machine needs a wallet though, especially with a botnet. Each machine runs a stealth wallet, wallets autosend to one bigger wallet if they find a block. It's a adhoc pool. Something similiar was made with BURST if I remember correctly.


In other news not too thrilled with MSI 1070s. I've been using them for over a month, both the white and reds, as well as X and 0 versions. They run really hot (close to 90%+ fan speed compared to 70% with other cards in the same setup) and I've had four of them fail already. May have been a bad batch, but none of my other 1070s have failed yet.

Unfortunately it's also becoming obvious that the TDP limit that other brands have of around 110% isn't high enough. Some algos like NeoS bump up against that. The MSI reds all have 126 limits, but they have problems as I've mentioned.
legendary
Activity: 1901
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I know what could be a great CPU coin, make POW CPU coin, make it as steemit concept but pure POW and fair, miners must use private key for mining so pools are not possible, make it only minable solo, use as harder algo to kill any GPU mining attempt in near future
I could see good prospect for that kind of CPU coin
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1024
For comparison my i7-6700K @ 4 GHz does 290 h/s XMR.

The issue with "CPU algos" and GPUs is a combination of architectural limitations limiting the potential gain combined with
increased development effort to try to overcome these limitations. Lots of work for little gain -  low motivation.

The way I see it all these cpu algos have that same problem, too much free hashing power available. You don't pay for electricity & hardware.

Your latest i7 does .29 khs
Mine dinosaur 295x2 does 1.48 khs
Dwarfpool top miner who owns 66% of that pool does 1262 khs.
Nethash is about 50000 khs.

These are insane numbers, you would need 4000 i7 6700k's to beat that dwarfpooler alone.


It's all botnets, this has been known for quite sometime. Infected PCs using CPU miners. That's why CPU mining has always been a bad idea, it's easily exploitable by people with nefarious purposes.
sp_
legendary
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Team Black developer
For comparison my i7-6700K @ 4 GHz does 290 h/s XMR.

The issue with "CPU algos" and GPUs is a combination of architectural limitations limiting the potential gain combined with
increased development effort to try to overcome these limitations. Lots of work for little gain -  low motivation.

Lyra2 is an interesting case. Lyra2RE performs much better on a CPU than Lyra2REv2 compared with nvidia GPUs. Using the latest
optimisations for both CPU and GPU miners, and hash rates normalised, Lyra2RE mines at 4x Lyra2REv2 on a CPU compared with
a GPU at 1x.

A 750ti mines cryptonight @ 300H/s @ around 50 watt with my private miner.
What speed are you getting in lyra2v2 and lyra2RE with your cpu miner?
legendary
Activity: 1901
Merit: 1024
totaly agree any CPU hashing algo need to die, I know there are many ppl that will defend scam botnet operation, they have ZERO investment and they earn cash stealing servers, ppl computers, etc

if GPU is not at least 10x faster, then dump the coin kill it whole worth, don`t support thieves!

say GTFO to monero!!!!!!!!!!


what bout gpu bot net  Roll Eyes

sure find a way to kill them still they are maybe 1-4% of the whole mining GPU power, pools can keep the track of them if they wish
legendary
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member
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totaly agree any CPU hashing algo need to die, I know there are many ppl that will defend scam botnet operation, they have ZERO investment and they earn cash stealing servers, ppl computers, etc

if GPU is not at least 10x faster, then dump the coin kill it whole worth, don`t support thieves!

say GTFO to monero!!!!!!!!!!


what bout gpu bot net  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1901
Merit: 1024
totaly agree any CPU hashing algo need to die, I know there are many ppl that will defend scam botnet operation, they have ZERO investment and they earn cash stealing servers, ppl computers, etc

if GPU is not at least 10x faster, then dump the coin kill it whole worth, don`t support thieves!

say GTFO to monero!!!!!!!!!!
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
For comparison my i7-6700K @ 4 GHz does 290 h/s XMR.

The issue with "CPU algos" and GPUs is a combination of architectural limitations limiting the potential gain combined with
increased development effort to try to overcome these limitations. Lots of work for little gain -  low motivation.

The way I see it all these cpu algos have that same problem, too much free hashing power available. You don't pay for electricity & hardware.

Your latest i7 does .29 khs
Mine dinosaur 295x2 does 1.48 khs
Dwarfpool top miner who owns 66% of that pool does 1262 khs.
Nethash is about 50000 khs.

These are insane numbers, you would need 4000 i7 6700k's to beat that dwarfpooler alone.




legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1114
r9 290 on cryptonight gives 600 h /s  no way it will get you to 1200 .... the only card taht can do such is 295x and 7990  but they are dual gpu and smal ovens.... .... and at current difficulty and price it is not profitable.... r9 290 will consume at 700 h /s  250w , 0.34 XMR in day .... around 1.7 USD .... so forget abt it... same will be nvidia... i suppose with an nvidia we can get around 800 h/s with an optimized miner ( 250 / 260h tsiv miner that was optimized for gtx 750 to... same hash rate was anyway on gtx 560 .... but of course 560 was a small fournance ... 750 was kind on the wattage)

Boring day so I went and tried claymores miner on 295x2. Underclocked and volted, 0.98volts, 940/1000. Windows 7x64 with some old mobo and s775 cpu, cpu usage max 10% with some other gpu's running at the same time. Memory controller load 40%.

At first I thought it crashed immediately because it felt like nothing is going on but wattmeter started showing some numbers. Only thing that is connected to this wattmeter is gold rated 1000w psu that feeds a single 295x2. 240 volts.

Minerside 1480h/s and 300 watts from the wall.

Dwarfpool poolside shows same numbers, according to their calculator I would earn 0.5XMR/ day. Yes I know, I told you it is a boring day.

It is impossible to compete with botnets and server farms but I am happy to see that someone runs the blockchain.

For comparison my i7-6700K @ 4 GHz does 290 h/s XMR.

The issue with "CPU algos" and GPUs is a combination of architectural limitations limiting the potential gain combined with
increased development effort to try to overcome these limitations. Lots of work for little gain -  low motivation.

Lyra2 is an interesting case. Lyra2RE performs much better on a CPU than Lyra2REv2 compared with nvidia GPUs. Using the latest
optimisations for both CPU and GPU miners, and hash rates normalised, Lyra2RE mines at 4x Lyra2REv2 on a CPU compared with
a GPU at 1x.
legendary
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Not going to say it's not hard, there might be a different dev with a different take on things or looking at things again might give current devs a different view. Who knows... It's a huge market though, it's a shame to just give it up to botnets as it's lost. It's not even claimed by ASICs.

Speaking of ASICs, Quark and Qubit are now dead due to new ASICs...
legendary
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Or everything else at gpu mining drops to xmr levels.

But bensam is right here, this algo really needs some dev magic. That would be good for all (except bottnets and serversfarms).
sp_
legendary
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Team Black developer
They said lyra2re was a botnet algo as well, but then there was a Japanese who doubled the speed on the gpu's...
legendary
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r9 290 on cryptonight gives 600 h /s  no way it will get you to 1200 .... the only card taht can do such is 295x and 7990  but they are dual gpu and smal ovens.... .... and at current difficulty and price it is not profitable.... r9 290 will consume at 700 h /s  250w , 0.34 XMR in day .... around 1.7 USD .... so forget abt it... same will be nvidia... i suppose with an nvidia we can get around 800 h/s with an optimized miner ( 250 / 260h tsiv miner that was optimized for gtx 750 to... same hash rate was anyway on gtx 560 .... but of course 560 was a small fournance ... 750 was kind on the wattage)

Boring day so I went and tried claymores miner on 295x2. Underclocked and volted, 0.98volts, 940/1000. Windows 7x64 with some old mobo and s775 cpu, cpu usage max 10% with some other gpu's running at the same time. Memory controller load 40%.

At first I thought it crashed immediately because it felt like nothing is going on but wattmeter started showing some numbers. Only thing that is connected to this wattmeter is gold rated 1000w psu that feeds a single 295x2. 240 volts.

Minerside 1480h/s and 300 watts from the wall.

Dwarfpool poolside shows same numbers, according to their calculator I would earn 0.5XMR/ day. Yes I know, I told you it is a boring day.

It is impossible to compete with botnets and server farms but I am happy to see that someone runs the blockchain.






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