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I don't know what numbers you're running, what you guys are stating makes no sense to me.
Do anyone of you even touched a solar panel IRL? Seen one? Bought one?

I'm not sure how touching one would enlighten me about the numbers behind buying one but whatever.

In central EU it would cost me about $7200 to have a decent (5kw) unit that would provide me with 630 watts 0-24h on average.
Using 630 watts 0-24h with $0.14/kWh costs $760 a year so that's over 9 years before reaching ROI.
So yeah, you might be able to get your hands on some super cheap solar panels+inverter+batteries but I'd much rather pay the $0.14 with a grin on my face and spend that $7k on more hardware.


ROI takes a really long time. However, you'll probably never need to get rid of solar because the price of BTC crashes, so it's a much, much, much safer investment. I don't think people really understand how risky crypto mining is. Mining with AMD hardware was literally destroyed for the average joe by a couple developers that got greedy. Like an entire generation of miners were wiped off the map due to a couple private kernels.
again ? I understand you don't like devs making profit (or more than you... don't know...)
But at some point you should stop blaming us and blame yourself (you and the other miners):
 * For wanting faster miner than anyone else (yeah it's human, but nobody force anyone to buy faster miners... so if there is a demand, price increase... that's business, I thought you would at least understand that, since you are in altcoin which is mostly about buying and selling stuff  Grin
 * For not being able to hold their coin and dump like crazy no matter how unprofitable it is for them and any one else (dev included)
I am sorry but each time coins are being dumped, it is because of greedy miner who don't feel like holding a little more... so yes, blame yourself first.


Don't you feel like biting constantly the hand that feed you ?
In that condition, why any dev would help you making money for free
and again developing takes times it is then normal that we get something for our work and when the majority feels like not giving anything, we might turns to those who are ready to give... (again your fault and no we are not greedy, we just want a fair retribution for our work and there is nothing wrong in helping people who help us)

Blaming other is always easy with you, but at some point you should try to do some auto-critics...
 

I agree entirely with this fantastic developpers and I am sending right away 10btc  Grin Grin
legendary
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I don't know what numbers you're running, what you guys are stating makes no sense to me.
Do anyone of you even touched a solar panel IRL? Seen one? Bought one?

I'm not sure how touching one would enlighten me about the numbers behind buying one but whatever.

In central EU it would cost me about $7200 to have a decent (5kw) unit that would provide me with 630 watts 0-24h on average.
Using 630 watts 0-24h with $0.14/kWh costs $760 a year so that's over 9 years before reaching ROI.
So yeah, you might be able to get your hands on some super cheap solar panels+inverter+batteries but I'd much rather pay the $0.14 with a grin on my face and spend that $7k on more hardware.


ROI takes a really long time. However, you'll probably never need to get rid of solar because the price of BTC crashes, so it's a much, much, much safer investment. I don't think people really understand how risky crypto mining is. Mining with AMD hardware was literally destroyed for the average joe by a couple developers that got greedy. Like an entire generation of miners were wiped off the map due to a couple private kernels.
again ? I understand you don't like devs making profit (or more than you... don't know...)
But at some point you should stop blaming us and blame yourself (you and the other miners):
 * For wanting faster miner than anyone else (yeah it's human, but nobody force anyone to buy faster miners... so if there is a demand, price increase... that's business, I thought you would at least understand that, since you are in altcoin which is mostly about buying and selling stuff  Grin
 * For not being able to hold their coin and dump like crazy no matter how unprofitable it is for them and any one else (dev included)
I am sorry but each time coins are being dumped, it is because of greedy miner who don't feel like holding a little more... so yes, blame yourself first.


Don't you feel like biting constantly the hand that feed you ?
In that condition, why any dev would help you making money for free
and again developing takes times it is then normal that we get something for our work and when the majority feels like not giving anything, we might turns to those who are ready to give... (again your fault and no we are not greedy, we just want a fair retribution for our work and there is nothing wrong in helping people who help us)

Blaming other is always easy with you, but at some point you should try to do some auto-critics...
 
legendary
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I don't know what numbers you're running, what you guys are stating makes no sense to me.
Do anyone of you even touched a solar panel IRL? Seen one? Bought one?

I'm not sure how touching one would enlighten me about the numbers behind buying one but whatever.

In central EU it would cost me about $7200 to have a decent (5kw) unit that would provide me with 630 watts 0-24h on average.
Using 630 watts 0-24h with $0.14/kWh costs $760 a year so that's over 9 years before reaching ROI.
So yeah, you might be able to get your hands on some super cheap solar panels+inverter+batteries but I'd much rather pay the $0.14 with a grin on my face and spend that $7k on more hardware.

Yeah, depending on where you live, there are some pretty serious subsidies as far as renewables go.

But that's a completely different topic. You're essentially buying a solar panel to deal with the power grid, not mining. It wont make power any cheaper for you as selling it back to the grid earns you money too (sometimes more then the cost of the power normally). I guess it really depends on how much power costs are for you normally. If you're over 50% of your mining revenue in power, it'll probably be better for you. But if you're at something like 30%, it's not going to matter.

ROI takes a really long time. However, you'll probably never need to get rid of solar because the price of BTC crashes, so it's a much, much, much safer investment. I don't think people really understand how risky crypto mining is. Mining with AMD hardware was literally destroyed for the average joe by a couple developers that got greedy. Like an entire generation of miners were wiped off the map due to a couple private kernels. I really don't think a lot of people understand that... Literally the ASICs of the GPU market. That could still also happen with Nvidia (which is why I push a miner fee so hard).
legendary
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I don't know what numbers you're running, what you guys are stating makes no sense to me.
Do anyone of you even touched a solar panel IRL? Seen one? Bought one?

Of course! I have some. Best investment I ever made.
legendary
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ICO? Not even once.
I don't know what numbers you're running, what you guys are stating makes no sense to me.
Do anyone of you even touched a solar panel IRL? Seen one? Bought one?

I'm not sure how touching one would enlighten me about the numbers behind buying one but whatever.

In central EU it would cost me about $7200 to have a decent (5kw) unit that would provide me with 630 watts 0-24h on average.
Using 630 watts 0-24h with $0.14/kWh costs $760 a year so that's over 9 years before reaching ROI.
So yeah, you might be able to get your hands on some super cheap solar panels+inverter+batteries but I'd much rather pay the $0.14 with a grin on my face and spend that $7k on more hardware.
legendary
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I don't know what numbers you're running, what you guys are stating makes no sense to me.
Do anyone of you even touched a solar panel IRL? Seen one? Bought one?
Grin
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I don't know what numbers you're running, what you guys are stating makes no sense to me.
Do anyone of you even touched a solar panel IRL? Seen one? Bought one?
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1051
ICO? Not even once.
Now that Tesla Powerwall is available (for some countries it will be in some months), a little solar plant for mining may be feasible (and profitable in the long term).
Specially if you can apply for some government incentives.

I guess it's nice but I don't see it offering anything extra for miners. I mean the main purpose of it is to be an uninterruptible power supply and so it's only as valuable to miners as the solar panels you're connecting to it.
Without any numbers to back it up I'd guess it's more profitable to buy more hardware than spending money on solar panels, unless your electricity is very expensive.

... and is getting even more expensive in the future :-(
Also, the purpose would be to avoid selling power to the grid for a very low price, when producing in excess.

What I mean is that if your only goal is profit, I think just buying more hardware and putting them to work on utility has better ROI than investing into solar (more cards with less profit per card > fewer cards with solar infrastructure)
IF we assume the profitability of mining stays relatively the same so solar is less risky in that regard. Where I live the sun shines about 2100 hours a year and even then it would take quite a few years before I would reach ROI as it is so expensive.
With mining I'm well below a year with $0.14/kWh.

You're using private miners normally?

No, but I would if they were more profitable and advertised.
legendary
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Now that Tesla Powerwall is available (for some countries it will be in some months), a little solar plant for mining may be feasible (and profitable in the long term).
Specially if you can apply for some government incentives.

I guess it's nice but I don't see it offering anything extra for miners. I mean the main purpose of it is to be an uninterruptible power supply and so it's only as valuable to miners as the solar panels you're connecting to it.
Without any numbers to back it up I'd guess it's more profitable to buy more hardware than spending money on solar panels, unless your electricity is very expensive.

... and is getting even more expensive in the future :-(
Also, the purpose would be to avoid selling power to the grid for a very low price, when producing in excess.

What I mean is that if your only goal is profit, I think just buying more hardware and putting them to work on utility has better ROI than investing into solar (more cards with less profit per card > fewer cards with solar infrastructure)
IF we assume the profitability of mining stays relatively the same so solar is less risky in that regard. Where I live the sun shines about 2100 hours a year and even then it would take quite a few years before I would reach ROI as it is so expensive.
With mining I'm well below a year with $0.14/kWh.

You're using private miners normally?
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1051
ICO? Not even once.
Now that Tesla Powerwall is available (for some countries it will be in some months), a little solar plant for mining may be feasible (and profitable in the long term).
Specially if you can apply for some government incentives.

I guess it's nice but I don't see it offering anything extra for miners. I mean the main purpose of it is to be an uninterruptible power supply and so it's only as valuable to miners as the solar panels you're connecting to it.
Without any numbers to back it up I'd guess it's more profitable to buy more hardware than spending money on solar panels, unless your electricity is very expensive.

... and is getting even more expensive in the future :-(
Also, the purpose would be to avoid selling power to the grid for a very low price, when producing in excess.

What I mean is that if your only goal is profit, I think just buying more hardware and putting them to work on utility has better ROI than investing into solar (more cards with less profit per card > fewer cards with solar infrastructure)
IF we assume the profitability of mining stays relatively the same so solar is less risky in that regard. Where I live the sun shines about 2100 hours a year and even then it would take quite a few years before I would reach ROI as it is so expensive.
With mining I'm well below a year with $0.14/kWh.
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GTX750Ti + Lyra2REv2 + R69 = 5200kH/s
https://i.imgur.com/4AppIbQ.gif

PS. Maybe some advice?
legendary
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Now that Tesla Powerwall is available (for some countries it will be in some months), a little solar plant for mining may be feasible (and profitable in the long term).
Specially if you can apply for some government incentives.

I guess it's nice but I don't see it offering anything extra for miners. I mean the main purpose of it is to be an uninterruptible power supply and so it's only as valuable to miners as the solar panels you're connecting to it.
Without any numbers to back it up I'd guess it's more profitable to buy more hardware than spending money on solar panels, unless your electricity is very expensive.

... and is getting even more expensive in the future :-(
Also, the purpose would be to avoid selling power to the grid for a very low price, when producing in excess.
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1051
ICO? Not even once.
Now that Tesla Powerwall is available (for some countries it will be in some months), a little solar plant for mining may be feasible (and profitable in the long term).
Specially if you can apply for some government incentives.

I guess it's nice but I don't see it offering anything extra for miners. I mean the main purpose of it is to be an uninterruptible power supply and so it's only as valuable to miners as the solar panels you're connecting to it.
Without any numbers to back it up I'd guess it's more profitable to buy more hardware than spending money on solar panels, unless your electricity is very expensive.
legendary
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The spreadcoin, cryptonight and lyra2v2 are all memory hard algorithms.

But I still have managed to optimize them.

I believe I can optimize the Ether miner as well, but I am waiting for stratum support and a gui wallet.

I believe the GUI wallet comes out next year. It is supposed to be well after the POW for Eth is done.

If I remember correct Eth POW is over in October sometime.

Don't quote me on any of that.
sp_
legendary
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The spreadcoin, cryptonight and lyra2v2 are all memory hard algorithms.

But I still have managed to optimize them.

I believe I can optimize the Ether miner as well, but I am waiting for stratum support and a gui wallet.
sp_
legendary
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10-15%
I never used them sp....... what are the hashrates on the 750ti?
Thx

With overclocking:

legendary
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10-15%
I never used them sp....... what are the hashrates on the 750ti?
Thx
legendary
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Black Belt Developer
Now that Tesla Powerwall is available (for some countries it will be in some months), a little solar plant for mining may be feasible (and profitable in the long term).
Specially if you can apply for some government incentives.
sp_
legendary
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10-15% on the 750ti
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Optimized Spreadcoin miner: 0.1BTC Donation
Optimized Cryptonight miner: 0.1BTC Donation


Optimized it's 5/10/30% more hash?
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