Topic: Certified Bitcoin Professional - page 3. (Read 33920 times)

When the C4 was first discussed, I signed up for an email update to be notified when the program was ready.
That was a few months ago and didn't hear anything until this thread.
Thanks to the OP, I am again on track to obtain my intended certification.

okay, so you guys got everything fucked up, no one is I'm not nor is the OP complaining about why certifications are required or not or important or not.  I'll be damn sure that my doctor or engineer that I am using for consulting has the proper qualifications and certifications.

My beef with this was the fact that a pointless thread was put up here to 'showcase' absolutely nothing.

To be honest help, we don't care (no fucks have been given) that you got the certifications; good job if that makes you feel better.  If you wrote this on a blog somewhere, that would have been different.  I came to read this because I thought you were going to discuss 'what should be considered necessary' to be considered a certified bitcoin professional - like maybe explaining a new user orientation process or how to engage with a potential business owner on the pros and cons of bitcoin implementation for their smb.  

Starting a pointless thread saying 'hey look guys, I got it!' just points out your ineffectiveness to use your credentials.  I would have to say that a majority of the members and above here could use a wallet, send bitcoin, receive bitcoin, and probably link their bank account to coinbase to convert to cash to cover company expenses.  

Next time pen a thread that provokes discussion amongst us, you probably could've gotten better feedback across the board by saying:  "just got my CBP credentials - open for business!"  With a body that says, "yea I know it might not mean much to anyone, but I'm glad I did it!  I think it will help me help others in the area of X, Y, and Z.  Am I missing something that could make things even more awesome?"

Since you've gotten your cpb, how many businesses have you consulted with?  How many have you successfully convinced to adopt and implement bitcoin?  

You come off as full of yourself is all I'm saying.  I'm pretty sure you've locked me into your ignore radar so its not like you can see this anyway without someone blockquoting me

No I don't, and that's not how certifications work.

The message we're sending is that people who are able to answer these questions in a restricted time-frame DO have the minimum knowledge required to use Bitcoin properly.

Like with any industry, certifications are not black/white between people who know/don't know about a subject. I come from the information security industry and I know many uncertified professionals who can run circles around certified professionals with their knowledge and experience. You don't need to have a certification to be a good security professional, and you don't need to have a CBP to be able to use Bitcoin.

That said, certificates do prove that you have a minimum level of knowledge. In the security industry, there are many jobs which require at least a CISA, CISM, or CISSP certification before even being considered for the position. Speaking with these HR personnel, they understood fully that there are many candidates out there who would fit the role perfectly despite not having one of these prerequisite certs, however it takes too many resources to risk that role on someone who wasn't certified. What if they seemed good in the interview but didn't actually know what was necessary? The HR paperwork, the month of pay, and the on-site training in the company's procedures would all go to waste while they resubmitted the job description and resumed the hunt for another candidate. By requiring the certificate they knew in advance that the candidates had the knowledge without spending a month to figure that out.

Finally, like with all certifications, they're not for everyone. Many people believe in certs, and many people think they're a waste of money and time.
C4 was built to establish these minimums in our industry in a not-for-profit way. If someone or their business doesn't have a need for measuring knowledge against these minimums, then they don't have to use it; C4 is here for those that do.

The questionnaire could be freely distributed to companies and the trainers/bosses hand out the tests to make sure employees aren't newbies.

The real reason most fortune 500 companies require certifications/diplomas from third parties is primarily for legal reasons so they don't get sued because in 1971 the U.S. Supreme Court issued a ruling (Griggs v. Duke Power) saying that if companies use aptitude testing to screen potential employees, they must be prepared to show that their tests are precisely calibrated to the needs of the job, otherwise, they will be guilty of employment discrimination.

Any employer understands that it is typically far more effective to test employees directly as they regularly cycle through recently certified and graduated idiots.

so , yes , this "certification" does server a role for large companies , but for all the wrong reasons.



Nope, not even that. There are plenty of certifiable idiots graduating from Ivy league institutions or getting "prestigious" certifications.
The proof is in the work, and I would better trust the capabilities of an individual who has real experience and contributions over any online test(that one can easily cheat with )

Aye they do need to build up a rep, give them time.  IMO it is a great time to try to start something like this.  If they can get a bunch of people to take it and a few companies they will gain traction.
Perhaps they will be able to team up with a college in the future.

Do you realize that certifications are only as valid as the stature of the certifying organization? If it were being managed by Columbia University I'm sure I'd feel differently. http://ce.columbia.edu/certificates/business-certificate

I know the people that signed off on the curriculum are big names in Bitcoin business and development but how do I know what they know? Maybe a verifiable CV from everyone involved should be posted on the website for review. I like to be frugal with my education dollar. If I can see a return value in it maybe I'll spend the money and then get a job at one of these new call centers I keep hearing about. lol

Indeed this could be used by companies as pointed out the more knowledge the better.

.. how do you guys not understand this concept...  

Have anyone of you worked in a company of more than 10 000 in a positon that isn't flipping burgers........?


If you are a bitcoin exchange you can have all of your employees get this so you know the receptionist, etc all understand the basics of bitcoin.  Now you can claim all of your employees have CBP.  Sure the techies won't care but the masses will.  When you are considering 3 different exchanges every step up on yours helps.

Just like at rockwell, they don't care if you are a P eng if you are going to wire you must take and pass a wiring course.  

Perhaps someone wants to open up a crypto help line!!  You can put on your website everyone is CBP certified and they have some CBX people as well.. Now if you are a noob in the crypto industry you would be tempted to use their services as you know they some proven knowledge.

Wait, do you think its a good idea to send the message that in order to use Bitcoin properly you have to be a certified professional?
If this is the case, Bitcoin is doomed to never get widely adopted.

Rename it to CBU then.

I think most of time wasters and drama queens will not bother to get any certification.  In fact several of the complainers in this thread were already on my ignore list.  Deepceleron is an exception as he is an expert and if he wants a certification I will pay for it.

nah more like people will pay $50 to pretend they are experts to then make useless comments, as they think they need a certificate to validate what they say, rather then saying what they have too say and people automatically recognize the comment itself hold merit.

i have employed more people not based on certification but on example of actual skill. as i said before the certificate validates the user is not a noob, but still does not confirm that the person is either mature or an expert.

If you die in Canada, do you die in real life too?

Boys.. girls... look at the price of Cisco cert.... this is hardly "over priced"...  When I worked at Rockwell they wanted me to take this stupid wiring course for $500...  Even though I was an electrical technologist..  Companies could easily use this, for example an exchange could require all employees to take this simply so the receptionst has an idea of what bitcoin is.

This is not something designed for Devs.



How many of you are actually in the working world and not High school/college..  There are a lot of stupid things you have to do to prove you are "certified"..  Furthermore almost all groups have annual fees.. 

Ha, epic-level trolling right there.

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Great points, deepceleron, and we agree with everything except for the name.
A Certified Bitcoin Professional (CBP) is someone who is able to use Bitcoin properly.
A Certified Bitcoin Expert (CBX) is someone who understands the Bitcoin protocol, block format, transaction format, and related technical details. C4 will definitely be testing this knowledge in its CBX exam which is slated to be released this winter. As with the CBP exam, we will make sure the question database has been adequately peer-reviewed by as many knowledgeable experts as possible to ensure they measure competency in each of the topics a Certified Bitcoin Expert should know.

If you feel you are able to assist with this process I'm happy to have you work with our other advisors as appropriate.

Rassah, I see you're "wondering about this."
C4 is a "free-market solution" to a human resource problem. We're not trying to be any more than that. We've built what we feel is an accurate measuring stick because of its peer review and are making it available for anyone to use for comparison. We're purposely doing this as a non-profit to emphasize our mission and not the money needed to accomplish it.

Thanks for your interest, all, and don't hesitate if you have any questions.
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I agree, I don't think bitcoin has been around long enough for there to be any kind of accredited test to give that shows they are a "bitcoin professional"

IMO this is just a test to show how gullible people are and how willing they are to give money for a stupid reason. The OP failed the test.

This is more in line with what I thought the Bitcoin Foundation was going to be about. Everyone know who contributes to the Bitcoin Core code because the developers use github. They would be an authority that could bestow acknowledgement of competency.