Topic: Certified Bitcoin Professional - page 4. (Read 33936 times)
These people are Michael Perklin (Tigereye - https://www.linkedin.com/in/perklin), Vitalik Buterin, Anthony Di Iorio, and advisers like Peter Todd, Charles Hoskinson, and Piotr Piasecki, all of whom are very high level people in this space, whom I have met in person and would personally vouch for as highly respected and fairly trustworthy. Which makes me really wonder about this...
OP neglected to mention the $25 renewal fee (after two years, renewal extension is not specified.) I hope you didn't leave an active credit card with these people.
@Tigereye, assuming he/she is associated with the "cryptoconsortium"
What you should have done: Provide a list of businesses which either require a cryptocurrency certification for certain positions or explicitly state that having it on a resume is beneficial towards their hiring process.
How to make your "certification" less scam-like: Create a highly intensive online course without a fee, pay for it by offering physical classes with a fee and a certificate. Require a highly intensive, mandatory test and publish scores anonymously to companies--who can then send job offers to users in chosen score distributions. I doubt it would be difficult to get some venture capital on this sort of system.
Why you won't: This is a scam; and you seem to be located in Canada, which does not exist.
I suspect there's a growing demand for cryptocurrency certifications. Kudos to anyone willing to learn about cryptocurrencies. Double kudos to anyone willing to pay for a cryptocurrency certification. Shame on anyone for giving these people money.
9kv, you're incorrect regarding it being an "Internet Certificate."
We mail out a physical certificate to those who earn certification. You can see an example of them on our twitter feed here: https://twitter.com/_CFour_/status/507592388424921090
I can list a dozen websites that will mail you bottles of dehydrated water for less than $75 CAD, a much better deal. Shiny website != $75 CAD certification with a net benefit.We mail out a physical certificate to those who earn certification. You can see an example of them on our twitter feed here: https://twitter.com/_CFour_/status/507592388424921090
@Tigereye, assuming he/she is associated with the "cryptoconsortium"
What you should have done: Provide a list of businesses which either require a cryptocurrency certification for certain positions or explicitly state that having it on a resume is beneficial towards their hiring process.
How to make your "certification" less scam-like: Create a highly intensive online course without a fee, pay for it by offering physical classes with a fee and a certificate. Require a highly intensive, mandatory test and publish scores anonymously to companies--who can then send job offers to users in chosen score distributions. I doubt it would be difficult to get some venture capital on this sort of system.
Why you won't: This is a scam; and you seem to be located in Canada, which does not exist.
I suspect there's a growing demand for cryptocurrency certifications. Kudos to anyone willing to learn about cryptocurrencies. Double kudos to anyone willing to pay for a cryptocurrency certification. Shame on anyone for giving these people money.
Does the certification fee provide you with study materials too? I could see that being worth the $50, considering the list of topics covered, but if all you get is an online quiz and a fancy piece of paper...
BTW, I noticed a list of some high level people in the About section. Asked them to confirm whether they are actually responsible for this (I could maybe sorta see them putting something like this together, but want to make sure this place isn't just dropping names without permission). I'll get back to you with their reply
BTW, I noticed a list of some high level people in the About section. Asked them to confirm whether they are actually responsible for this (I could maybe sorta see them putting something like this together, but want to make sure this place isn't just dropping names without permission). I'll get back to you with their reply
It was $75 CAD total, $50 for the test and $25 for the certificate. I saw the thing posted on reddit. I saw Peter Todd as the top advisor. I listen to him on let's Talk Bitcoin and I trust what he says so I figured it was OK. they also said they have a registered non-profit and any extra funds will be donated.
Yeah, confirmed it's the legit group, with people like Vitalik and Anthony Di Iorio helping run this thing. Honestly I'm surprised and perplexed that they would do this. Seems rather... I don't know... Opportunistic? Maybe even a bit pointless, especially at this stage?
And do they provide study materials, or do you basically have to be a genuine expert and know all this stuff to take the test? (I'm somewhat tempted to try, since I know all the topics listed, but want to know what I would get for my $75, since I don't actually need this to get a bitcoin job)
hasnt anyone realised that bitcoin is not about holding pieces of paper that have been rubber stamped by a central agency.
i bet 2 satoshi's that those thinking bitcoin certification is good are also the same people that see a bitlicence as a good thing.
both of which do not help real people with real lives, they are just a money grabbing exercise purely to look official, even if your sat on a sofa trading in your underpants, rubbing a ball of freshly pick snot into the arm of the chair.
all i can see happening is a bunch of bitcoin scammers waving round useless pieces of paper shouting out how they are bitlicenced and professionally certified to hold your money.. then 3 months later wave their plane ticket to the Caribbean at customers as they run off
i bet 2 satoshi's that those thinking bitcoin certification is good are also the same people that see a bitlicence as a good thing.
both of which do not help real people with real lives, they are just a money grabbing exercise purely to look official, even if your sat on a sofa trading in your underpants, rubbing a ball of freshly pick snot into the arm of the chair.
all i can see happening is a bunch of bitcoin scammers waving round useless pieces of paper shouting out how they are bitlicenced and professionally certified to hold your money.. then 3 months later wave their plane ticket to the Caribbean at customers as they run off
Bitcoin is about a software program and protocol, essentially a tool, that people can use for all sorts of things and agendas. Some people like to attach their personal agenda to it.
The Bitlicence problem is caused by all the Bitcoiners who complained when they lost money with things like Mt. gox, Inputs.io, pirateat40, etc.
One use of the Certification program is to filter people whose authority consists of writing hundreds of useless comments on discussion boards.
Step 1: pay money to someone else to make you 'feel legit' cause their site and program seem legit.
Step 2: pass exam...immediately go to the first popular message board and post useless comment on useless 'certification'
Step 3: ?? ?? ?? ??
Step 4: sell the steps above to the next sucker in line
Step 5: profit!!!
Looks like you just finished step 2, great job
Does the certification fee provide you with study materials too? I could see that being worth the $50, considering the list of topics covered, but if all you get is an online quiz and a fancy piece of paper...
BTW, I noticed a list of some high level people in the About section. Asked them to confirm whether they are actually responsible for this (I could maybe sorta see them putting something like this together, but want to make sure this place isn't just dropping names without permission). I'll get back to you with their reply
BTW, I noticed a list of some high level people in the About section. Asked them to confirm whether they are actually responsible for this (I could maybe sorta see them putting something like this together, but want to make sure this place isn't just dropping names without permission). I'll get back to you with their reply
It was $75 CAD total, $50 for the test and $25 for the certificate. I saw the thing posted on reddit. I saw Peter Todd as the top advisor. I listen to him on let's Talk Bitcoin and I trust what he says so I figured it was OK. they also said they have a registered non-profit and any extra funds will be donated.
hasnt anyone realised that bitcoin is not about holding pieces of paper that have been rubber stamped by a central agency.
i bet 2 satoshi's that those thinking bitcoin certification is good are also the same people that see a bitlicence as a good thing.
both of which do not help real people with real lives, they are just a money grabbing exercise purely to look official, even if your sat on a sofa trading in your underpants, rubbing a ball of freshly pick snot into the arm of the chair.
all i can see happening is a bunch of bitcoin scammers waving round useless pieces of paper shouting out how they are bitlicenced and professionally certified to hold your money.. then 3 months later wave their plane ticket to the Caribbean at customers as they run off
i bet 2 satoshi's that those thinking bitcoin certification is good are also the same people that see a bitlicence as a good thing.
both of which do not help real people with real lives, they are just a money grabbing exercise purely to look official, even if your sat on a sofa trading in your underpants, rubbing a ball of freshly pick snot into the arm of the chair.
all i can see happening is a bunch of bitcoin scammers waving round useless pieces of paper shouting out how they are bitlicenced and professionally certified to hold your money.. then 3 months later wave their plane ticket to the Caribbean at customers as they run off
Bitcoin is about a software program and protocol, essentially a tool, that people can use for all sorts of things and agendas. Some people like to attach their personal agenda to it.
The Bitlicence problem is caused by all the Bitcoiners who complained when they lost money with things like Mt. gox, Inputs.io, pirateat40, etc.
One use of the Certification program is to filter people whose authority consists of writing hundreds of useless comments on discussion boards.
Does the certification fee provide you with study materials too? I could see that being worth the $50, considering the list of topics covered, but if all you get is an online quiz and a fancy piece of paper...
The skills that would actually make someone an employable "Bitcoin Professional" would take more that a few questions. I'd want an answer of how you would make web sites and their wallets steal-proof. I'd need to see you code a web interface and a database along with the code to talk to Bitcoin showing you have the skills required to run your own exchange or ecommerce site. A list of commits you've made to Bitcoin itself, or the wallet software you wrote. Being able to "use" Bitcoin doesn't make one a professional any more than your 5000 followers is going to get you a job at Twitter.
See my new signature; also applies to Microsoft, Cisco, and Redhat.
See my new signature; also applies to Microsoft, Cisco, and Redhat.
Actually something like Bitcoin needs all types of professionals, not just coders. I do have a degree in Com Sci but that was ages ago. I could write code to talk to bitcoid but I would not attempt to code an exchange or any commits but that is a tiny subset of the things that are needed to bring Bitcoin from code to a system usable by millions of people.
But, yes, the certification does not mean much just like many people act like a CISSP is a PhD.
It will be great to be pro if you can pay less whenyou buy bitcoins, is this posible? If not then the certification is useless even if you can write bitcoin articles.
hasnt anyone realised that bitcoin is not about holding pieces of paper that have been rubber stamped by a central agency.
i bet 2 satoshi's that those thinking bitcoin certification is good are also the same people that see a bitlicence as a good thing.
both of which do not help real people with real lives, they are just a money grabbing exercise purely to look official, even if your sat on a sofa trading in your underpants, rubbing a ball of freshly pick snot into the arm of the chair.
all i can see happening is a bunch of bitcoin scammers waving round useless pieces of paper shouting out how they are bitlicenced and professionally certified to hold your money.. then 3 months later wave their plane ticket to the Caribbean at customers as they run off
i bet 2 satoshi's that those thinking bitcoin certification is good are also the same people that see a bitlicence as a good thing.
both of which do not help real people with real lives, they are just a money grabbing exercise purely to look official, even if your sat on a sofa trading in your underpants, rubbing a ball of freshly pick snot into the arm of the chair.
all i can see happening is a bunch of bitcoin scammers waving round useless pieces of paper shouting out how they are bitlicenced and professionally certified to hold your money.. then 3 months later wave their plane ticket to the Caribbean at customers as they run off
Why did you take this certificate quiz, pay so much for it, and post about it on the forum? Are you partnering with these guys to try to earn money on what looks like a ripoff at least, and an "online university/certification" scam at worst?
I already explained but you are a drama queen so you are asking again.
I think you got ripped off. I paid only about $30CAD to order a sign from VistaPrint that has a big bitcoin logo and "Bitcoin Expert" text on it. Saved $45, and looks much better at conventions.
This could be used by companies as pointed out.
I have used mine at a number of conventions run by companies
Point is, I get my credit from knowledge and reputation, not an online quiz that seems to WAY overcharge (I can't see how it could cost $25 to print and ship a certificate. Even a very fancy one).You run a non-existent charity,
Nope
plan to break into FBI computers
Nope
while you work for the State of MD,
Nope
and looking silly in videos.
Most definitely
Why did you take this certificate quiz, pay so much for it, and post about it on the forum? Are you partnering with these guys to try to earn money on what looks like a ripoff at least, and an "online university/certification" scam at worst?
The skills that would actually make someone an employable "Bitcoin Professional" would take more that a few questions. I'd want an answer of how you would make web sites and their wallets steal-proof. I'd need to see you code a web interface and a database along with the code to talk to Bitcoin showing you have the skills required to run your own exchange or ecommerce site. A list of commits you've made to Bitcoin itself, or the wallet software you wrote. Being able to "use" Bitcoin doesn't make one a professional any more than your 5000 followers is going to get you a job at Twitter.
See my new signature; also applies to Microsoft, Cisco, and Redhat.
See my new signature; also applies to Microsoft, Cisco, and Redhat.
I think you got ripped off. I paid only about $30CAD to order a sign from VistaPrint that has a big bitcoin logo and "Bitcoin Expert" text on it. Saved $45, and looks much better at conventions.
You run a non-existent charity, plan to break into FBI computers while you work for the State of MD, and looking silly in videos. You are certifiable so you should get the certificate that says so.
I think you got ripped off. I paid only about $30CAD to order a sign from VistaPrint that has a big bitcoin logo and "Bitcoin Expert" text on it. Saved $45, and looks much better at conventions.
This could be used by companies as pointed out.
I like the idea of a CBP. Things like Bitcoin ATMs, Hardware wallets and other physical devices that are meant to be easy to use by the general public are still beyond the basic understanding of most people. There needs to be a technician/sales class operator to assist with these new devices.
I think you got ripped off. I paid only about $30CAD to order a sign from VistaPrint that has a big bitcoin logo and "Bitcoin Expert" text on it. Saved $45, and looks much better at conventions.
http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x96E2A1BE81D47AA2
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Hi guys,
Michael Perklin here from C4.
franky1 is absolutely correct: the CBP exam does not mean you are an expert in Bitcoin. A CBP is someone who understands enough about the blockchain, addresses, keys and wallets to use Bitcoin successfully. They understand what a confirmation is, why they should wait a few for high-value transactions, and backing up/restoring keys to protect their funds. The CBP exam covers 32 separate topics arranged in 6 domains of knowledge.
It's intended to assert that someone meets the minimum requirements to be working with Bitcoin. For example, if you need to task one of your employees to create and manage your company's wallet, you'd want them to understand Bitcoin well enough to keep your coins safe.
9kv, you're incorrect regarding it being an "Internet Certificate."
We mail out a physical certificate to those who earn certification. You can see an example of them on our twitter feed here: https://twitter.com/_CFour_/status/507592388424921090
When it comes to being an expert in Bitcoin, that will be measured with the CBX exam which is due out this winter. That will be targeted at developers, security auditors, and anyone who needs to understand all of the advanced aspects of Bitcoin, such as building a transaction manually or working with the protocol at the byte level. That exam will be much more intensive (250 questions instead of 75) and be administered in a proctored (in-person) format.
There's more information available on the website, or you can ask questions here if you'd like.
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Hi guys,
Michael Perklin here from C4.
franky1 is absolutely correct: the CBP exam does not mean you are an expert in Bitcoin. A CBP is someone who understands enough about the blockchain, addresses, keys and wallets to use Bitcoin successfully. They understand what a confirmation is, why they should wait a few for high-value transactions, and backing up/restoring keys to protect their funds. The CBP exam covers 32 separate topics arranged in 6 domains of knowledge.
It's intended to assert that someone meets the minimum requirements to be working with Bitcoin. For example, if you need to task one of your employees to create and manage your company's wallet, you'd want them to understand Bitcoin well enough to keep your coins safe.
9kv, you're incorrect regarding it being an "Internet Certificate."
We mail out a physical certificate to those who earn certification. You can see an example of them on our twitter feed here: https://twitter.com/_CFour_/status/507592388424921090
When it comes to being an expert in Bitcoin, that will be measured with the CBX exam which is due out this winter. That will be targeted at developers, security auditors, and anyone who needs to understand all of the advanced aspects of Bitcoin, such as building a transaction manually or working with the protocol at the byte level. That exam will be much more intensive (250 questions instead of 75) and be administered in a proctored (in-person) format.
There's more information available on the website, or you can ask questions here if you'd like.
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How can you be a "professional"?
Seems like a fancy way of you giving them 50$, and them giving you an "Internet Certificate" that holds no real value to anyone else.
Seems like a fancy way of you giving them 50$, and them giving you an "Internet Certificate" that holds no real value to anyone else.
Yes, many certifications seem that way. I have a CISSP as well and there are similar complaints about that. I am retired so I don't really need any kind of certification. I saw the list of advisors and I it looked legitimate so I went ahead with it.
If you're not seeking any jobs or anything with it - bravo. Thanks for learning about BTC
Yes, that is it. I just launched http://Bitcoin.me and I had that video made. I used the weusecoins video as a basis but I geared it towards how Bitcoin can be used.
I also got that ruling from FinCEN about mining:
http://www.coindesk.com/fincen-bitcoin-miners-need-not-register-money-transmitters/
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