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Topic: ChangeHero.io - exchanger scammed me for 21 010 USDT - page 2. (Read 1260 times)

hero member
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[Nope]No hype delivers more than hope
I've seen the proof sent by the OP here.
In my conclusion, this is one of the many ridiculous exchanges of scammers. Avoid to return customers' money for reasons of suspicious activity (other than IP/ hacking acc. trial issues).

I just wanna suggest the OP wherever you'll exchange your crypto in the future. Make sure the exchange offer "No data/signup data required" applies to all activities including withdrawals. Roll Eyes


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why didn't you answer these questions?

What is their legal base for coming to such a conclusion ? Are they an law-enforcing authority ( I assume no ) . So what legal right do they have to hold the user's funds hostage.
legendary
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Buy/Sell crypto at BestChange
How exactly did that exchange come to the conclusion that said funds are from fraudulent activities? What is their legal base for coming to such a conclusion ?

According to the exchanger, their risk management system identified the transaction as a suspicious one, which made them freeze the transaction and launch the investigation.
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Unfortunately, it’s also possible to understand the exchanger, because if the funds were indeed obtained illegitimately, they will be held responsible for helping fraudsters/drug dealers or the like.

On the other hand, the exchanger has not yet provided any serious evidence for their suspicions, just their subjective opinion.

Our moderator temporarily switched off the exchanger after they stopped responding to his requests, and not because of the current situation. The way the monitor works, after the punishment term expires, the exchanger gets automatically switched on. The theories about kickbacks shared in the original topic are very interesting and under other circumstances we would even discus them, but unfortunately these guesses have nothing to do with reality and only distract attention from this current situation.

We do not have the habit (neither the authority) to hastily call others scams or fraudsters, but try to get to the bottom of the situation, listen to different viewpoints and gather facts. We believe that this approach is more competent, although many users would prefer to point a finger and put the blame on somebody (including us), judging solely on their speculations.

That’s a logical conflict, don’t you think?
It turns out that you are spreading subjective speculations about us being a fraud, based only on a fact that administration of the exchanger listed also subjectively thinks that the user is a fraud.

We would like to empathize that the users participating in our advertising campaign and being paid for it, have nothing to do with this incident.

In any case, given that there is no request from the law-enforcing authorities or real proof from the exchanger, we continue to insist they return the full amount to the user. Today we have switched the exchanger off until this situation is solved, their investigation is dragging on and they do not provide any new facts.

How exactly did that exchange come to the conclusion that said funds are from fraudulent activities ?  What is their legal base for coming to such a conclusion ? Are they an law-enforcing authority ( I assume no ) . So what legal right do they have to hold the user's funds hostage.
legendary
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For faster clearification, Veleor created flags of the first type. Support here please - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1265
legendary
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Hey,

they seem to have a user, here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/changeheroio-2589379

That user has no activity, but I sent them a PM anyway (maybe they receive email notifications upon new PMs), asking to respond to this thread. Your evidence looks convincing; at least they should reply and present their view of the situation, and explain why they acted this way. Treating their customers like this is a dick move.

Hope you get your funds back.
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My original topic (on russian): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/changehero-21-010-usdt-5219259
Translation is below.



Hello dear forum users. Additionally, I duplicate the topic on this forum, original forum is less popular.
I decided to change USDT-ERC20 to XMR Monero, chose an exchanger from the official list of the Monero website https://web.getmonero.org/community/merchants/#exchanges

SCAM exchanger: https://changehero.io/

Brief summary:

1) I chose the exchanger on the Monero website, checked it was also on bestchange

2) Created a test application for an exchange of 100 USDT, everything went well that time

3) Then I threw USDT 21 010 for exchange (Hash: 0x5de8a70b83d945c613e2781e6261053fa4ecf9b38fb54234bb45dbae222f3a9d)

4) The exchange was stopped, documents were requested. I referred to their exchange rules, which indicate that if AML / KYC is not passed, the money will be returned to the wallet. After that, rules were edited, they have removed this item, editing was NOT noted

5) I sent all the documents, selfie. I gave the data where I have received the cryptocurrency to prove that I am not a terrorist / drug dealer / carder, etc.

6) A Skype video call was requested. I send them my contact, for the first time they did not contact. Then I missed the call. Then I have made videocall, we talked. And from December 21, they ignore me anywhere. Silence in Skype, silence on email. The Chat with suppport button on their site was removed.

7) I did leave a feedback on bestchange.ru and trustpilot.com - on both sites the feedback were deleted, not hidden. For a week ago Bestchange.ru asked me for all the information about the exchange, with screenshots, documents. I sent everything, with details. For 1-2 days they set the exchanger status "Not Available", but now the exchange status is "Active" and no one notified me for what reason they have gived back the status of an active exchanger. And trustpilot.com is generally a useless resource, I left feedback for 3 times, with all the exchange data, they simply delete it and keep be silent in email support conversation.

I think it’s not difficult to make conclusions. I am writing on great emotions, I could have missed something, there will be updates if I remember something important. I will try to disclose the situation as much as possible, I appreciate any usefull help. If someone would found the owner of the exchanger, I would be very grateful. I would immediately go to the police to make a statement.


UPD:
1)
I received a letter from bestchange, after which the status of the exchanger changed for a while. Here is a letter:
 "Good afternoon! On our part, measures have been taken to temporarily exclude the ChangeHero exchange from the monitoring listing.
We hope that this fact will affect the processing speed of the exchanger for your application.
Thank you for contacting, we wish you reliable and profitable exchanges!
Best regards,
Alexa (BestChange). "

Now the status is again “Active”,  changed back without explanation. Is this an adequate reaction to the letter with full story and data about 100% scam? So they are completely OK with listing scammers on their site? Excellent...


2)
The exchanger's country on bestchange.ru and bestchange.com has changed. It was "Russia", now it is "Italy".
To check the country, just open the page now:
https://www.bestchange.ru/changehero-exchanger.html

On the Internet cache site we can still see the version of page with the country info "Russia".

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jNw-ZKj69UMJ:https://www.bestchange.ru/changehero-exchanger.html+&cd=1&hl=uk&ct=clnk&gl=ua
https://web.archive.org/web/20190707205855/https://www.bestchange.ru/changehero-exchanger.html

For what purposes was this done?








For those who are not lazy, I attach screenshots of their rules at the time of exchange, correspondence on Skype, by mail:

My first exchange in their exchanger which was successful: ixjfxh8gaps5zhxntb
My exchange ID for 21 010 USDT: mywb3uuyvr4z6cneu7

According to their rules at the moment of the exchange, they should have returned everything to me without going through AML / KYC. They didn't.

https://framapic.org/oqDpveczsddU/Ec56Oi1YtLj8.png

Chat with CryptoHero and the rules of their exchanger.
Screenshot "ChangeHero-1.png" - I requested a refund via chat on their website

https://framapic.org/XFEkrpU9NUZO/tT2ULtU68hzG.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-2.png" - They wrote me an email addres for communication with "dev team", in this chat the issue of money returning cannot be solved


https://framapic.org/2a4T29lBw7xX/BsetOmivOgqp.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-3.png" - Showing the text from their own site about their "anonymity of exchange"


https://framapic.org/TPkjDhluYsMZ/TIXDnOOoUX89.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-4.png" - I indicate that the exchange status requires the passage of AML / KYC


https://framapic.org/e2ZFgR5rwfYo/oKSpwKesWQ7Y.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-5.png" - Here the chat support gives a link to the AML / KYC rules of procedure and I quote from their rules that "All the crypto assets of that particular transaction will be refunded to where it was originated from deducing applicable fees."


https://framapic.org/fogEc7nW5WC2/yiAJzkClPvCC.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-6.png" - Support writes that they can really return the money to me according to their rules, I will be notified when there will be an additional info


https://framapic.org/OtNxwkhH95ll/pffaKUiMIPPg.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-7.png"


Screenshot "ChangeHero-8.png" - Here you can clearly see that the last edit was at "May 2019", but if you open their rules now, there is no text on the site that is highlighted in the screenshot. At the same time, the last edit is stated as “May 2019”. You can open the screenshot “ChangeHero-5.png” of chat on their site where they don’t argue that they really have such text and even confirm it as evidence that this line was there.

Unfortunately there is no old page in the Internet cache, but the good reason that they edited the text is the correspondence with the support on the 5th screenshot


https://framapic.org/opx7oYSWTLML/xlDiOUzYPRYy.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-9.png" - version of the rules without highlighting text


https://framapic.org/drfjz3NjyD5s/QSRxEKIp8BjQ.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-10.png" - version of the screenshot about anonymity without highlighting


https://framapic.org/5L2MIyYvALkA/mg5ckmPBqmMZ.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-11.png" - it is written that they change anonymously and do not need any personal data, but in fact they request all the documents. Disinformation.

Ignore from December 21
https://framapic.org/oWixDr4xTZYo/5QwsKg6S6esr.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-mail1.png" - the history of my incoming messages where you can see, there is no letters since December 20. They did not write me anything

https://framapic.org/PQB15T9oUQCI/CxVIhpCXp57e.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-mail2.png" - the history of outgoing messages, where you can see, I wrote them several times from that day


https://framapic.org/XegeToiUz5ul/ktvkRd0dm0K9.png
Screenshot "ChangeHero-mail3.png"

I noticed an important thing, which says that whatever evidence I would provide them with, they would still deceive me. In the letter (Screenshot "ChangeHero-mail3.png") there are no longer those lines from my screenshot of the rules that I made at the time of the exchange, fearing such a situation of fraud which refers to a full refund in case of insufficient data for AML / KYC. Accordingly, I think they edited the rules on their website at that moment, so that I could not use this rule and then they will just tell I am a scammer.

The following facts indicate fraud on their part:

1) Disabling the chat on the site more than a month ago.
2) Editing rules with very important information about refunds without marking.
3) After providing all the evidence, after the video call, they just ignore me. They realized that I am honest and the truth is on my side.
4) They did not contact the exchanger where I exchanged fiat money for cryptocurrency, so how they even could be able to check the origin of the funds? I do not believe they send some kind of requests to authorities or exchanges if they couldn’t simply write to the exchanger’s mail.
5) The exchanger does not indicate the country of its' registration. It is not clear what country laws they refer to, they themselves have not answered this question on Skype. In their letters there is no reference to real laws of any country according to which I must pass through such examination. They themselves came up with rules that have nothing to do with reality.

I’m afraid now they can write there wasn’t any chat, there was no such text in the rules, and I drew screenshots of the chat myself. But how then did they contact me by email? They do not have an account registration on the site, mail was not indicated during the exchange.

Skype conversation screenshots (here you can see they are ignoring me since December 21)
https://framapic.org/JSqRFik8qc8k/sdz3N13eBAgx.jpg
https://framapic.org/QcPKzCwkZyZG/RymlYPjkZB2O.jpg
https://framapic.org/VQfN5tfn5hRn/8tvZQsbAxoZm.jpg
https://framapic.org/AqHSI1gmAb9O/h7k0ggJFuXTL.jpg
https://framapic.org/php3krRGEw5I/mgHJt0oqIQgp.jpg
https://framapic.org/1CrFK5BI8797/XjU0iCgmoGT7.jpg
https://framapic.org/1cAofj9CZhFK/wYHVfS3hBKOY.jpg
https://framapic.org/AhySqXupJNAW/gHGPW5oIV4Rm.jpg
https://framapic.org/uK20mXXgnzQD/5QBtqURnxDLk.jpg

Also in thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/about-bestchange-again-5219339
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