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Topic: ChangeNow.io (Evercode Lab) - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins). - page 13. (Read 34427 times)

newbie
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There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?
legendary
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You're absolutely right - we don't have any right to share the files that the OP has sent. We respect the law, as we have stated multiple times.
As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.

About the GDPR: it's a part of global improvement package that we are implementing. It's a work in progress, and we are introducing changes as they come.
In our public statement we have mentioned that in just a year we have grown from a tiny service into a relatively big project. We are collaborating with legal specialists and advisors in order to keep up with all requirements of the market and to be compliant with all the necessary things. Unfortunately, some implements take some time to get up and running, more than we'd like to. In any case, we are trying to do everything in our power to become the most transparent, convenient, and understandable service on the market and we are eternally grateful for all the constructive comments you've given us.

@Polina_ChangeNOW

Many thanks for the reply Polina, I appreciate it.

Having said that I am not accepting you saying: "As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible."

You actually have no legal grounds to hold his funds, what you are doing is illegal by keeping the crypto the OP sent.

I have had enough of this fiasco. You have been dealing with this for over two months and you are in breach of EU law by not having GDPR on your website. Take that back to your legal firm and website designers, it would take a couple of hours for any competent coder to get that added.

What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?
full member
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As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.


There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP unless you are absolutely certain they were involved in a crime. In that case they would have to be turned over to the agency investigating that particular crime and not held by you.
What legal grounds are you talking about? @Polina_ChangeNOW

I’m sure he is involved. Will be waiting for the result of the investigation
full member
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I don't know them. But they look like a very small exchange under threat by the russian authorities. And 70000 usds are a lot of money for a small exchange already burned by this scam. Since the OP has personal details from them he can try use that, but we all know how things work on Russia. OP you have all my sympathy but say goodbye to your money.

Lol, new farmed acc.

Ni23457, could you please buy better accs? We don’t believe you Smiley

My account is from 2014, scammer.

It was bought this year, it’s clearly understandable from the posts history.
Seems that ni23457 (or someone from his scamteam) was also blocked by freewallet. I think they have also marked his coins as suspicious.
It’s too hard to launder stolen money now, isn’t it?
jr. member
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As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.


There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP unless you are absolutely certain they were involved in a crime. In that case they would have to be turned over to the agency investigating that particular crime and not held by you.
What legal grounds are you talking about? @Polina_ChangeNOW
jr. member
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I know he will be refunded 100%.
I can predict this outcome for sure.
I know they will do this.
jr. member
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You're absolutely right - we don't have any right to share the files that the OP has sent. We respect the law, as we have stated multiple times.
As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.

About the GDPR: it's a part of global improvement package that we are implementing. It's a work in progress, and we are introducing changes as they come.
In our public statement we have mentioned that in just a year we have grown from a tiny service into a relatively big project. We are collaborating with legal specialists and advisors in order to keep up with all requirements of the market and to be compliant with all the necessary things. Unfortunately, some implements take some time to get up and running, more than we'd like to. In any case, we are trying to do everything in our power to become the most transparent, convenient, and understandable service on the market and we are eternally grateful for all the constructive comments you've given us.
newbie
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I don't know them. But they look like a very small exchange under threat by the russian authorities. And 70000 usds are a lot of money for a small exchange already burned by this scam. Since the OP has personal details from them he can try use that, but we all know how things work on Russia. OP you have all my sympathy but say goodbye to your money.

Lol, new farmed acc.

Ni23457, could you please buy better accs? We don’t believe you Smiley

My account is from 2014, scammer.
legendary
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newbie
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If you check the profile each of his shills you'll find lots of interesting facts (for example that he can be connected to voyagerapp scam scheme).

I also drew attention to it. This person needs publicity, he thinks this will force the exchange to return him coins without ID. This is silly! If I were the owner of the exchange, I would have found out who this ni23457 was and would have court him for damaging the company's image. This person does not understand what he is doing. The madman!
legendary
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He said he only sent some obvious fake files as a joke/mock. If that's true, I would say it's pretty obvious that he wasn't seriously trying to get verified with fake ID's.

We can assure you that he didn't send those documents as a joke or mock. In his earlier posts the OP claimed that he was "embarassed", which is why he sent us fake documents not only once but twice.

For the record: he didn't send us pictures of Trump or Putin, there was just a scan of some random passport and a selfie with a different face and a different ID.
We would like to share the documents he sent us, but it would be very unprofessional of us.

@Polina_ChangeNOW

If you did share the documents it would also be in breach of any known norm of privacy that would lead to a hefty fine or your website being shut down. The fact you said you would like to share the documents but will not because you did not want to be seen as unprofessional (instead of the fear of doing something illegal), sadly reinforces the widely held views that your business is not fit and proper. Please prove us all wrong by kindly refunding the OP.

Speaking of privacy, why are there no GDPR options on your website when so many of your customers reside within the EU?

GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) is a regulation in European Union law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union. These laws provide obligations of Right of Access and the Right to Erasure. These laws also covers obligations of collecting customer consent. GDPR laws affect all websites (including changenow) that have users that are citizens from within the European Union regardless of those websites and their business owners being based in or out of the European Union. So whether your business is based or registered in Belize or Netherlands or anywhere else is irrelevant, you have to abide by GDPR laws because European Union residents are accessing the changenow website.

Please reply
newbie
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just looking for sensation. just return the BCH funds to the original address. the problem is finished.
jr. member
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@Polina_ChangeNOW

Many thanks for the post and your clarifications. I hope you will implement some of those changes as soon as possible and I wish you success in your business.

Regarding the OP who has his funds frozen, it is about time you returned the funds to him using the same address you received them from. What confirmation are you waiting for and from who?

Our legal team is dealing with this case right now and we're waiting for a resolution from them.
So your legal team is deciding if you can keep steal the $70.000 that isn't yours??

There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP unless you are absolutely certain they were involved in a crime. In that case they would have to be turned over to the agency investigating that particular crime and not held by you.
full member
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he sent us fake documents
   
I did not send any documents to you, I sent JPG files to you. There is no country in the world where the jpg image would be a document.


This is definitely the biggest bullshit I've ever heard  Grin
Thank you, you've made my day
member
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No, our Belize office is our legal address which is necessary for company registration. A legal address signifies the fact that the company has been legitimately registered, and all is well.
Our Amsterdam address is our postal address where you can direct any official claims you might have by mail.

Thanks again. To summarize what you succinctly posted, you don't have an office you operate from. What you provided us is your registration and mailing addresses. Posting these addresses, when you knew what I was asking from you was different, is an attempt to obfuscate and confuse readers.

Our team's main interest is developing great and convenient blockchain products and crypto services in peace, and publicity has never been in the scope of our work. Despite all that, we respect all the rules of the crypto world, and, when we were obligated to implement the KYC procedure, we did so without hesitation. If publishing all the info about our founders and team members becomes mandatory, we will happily oblige.
There are people in our team who are in the public eye most of the time (me, for example, since this is my job as a marketing associate), but the rest of our team members are entitled to their privacy. Actually, I don't think there are that many blockchain complanies all of whose team members are out in the open. We certainly aren't one of those.

Simply put, nobody knows who the members of your your team are. Except the team itself and your partners? So you are anonymous, with no known address, apart from your mailing and registration addresses. And nobody knows who your team members are. So you could be money launderers or criminals for all we know, if we judge you using the same standards you are using to judge the op.

Replying to the bolded part; I read somewhere that your whitepaper had the names and profiles of your team members listed before the current shenanigans started. Why did you delete them, if they were fine publishing them before?

What I see, and I am sure many others do too, is a company trying its utmost to stay hidden. You cannot have your cake and eat it. If you want the community to trust you, and for your company to grow, you have to operate in a transparent manner. Your behavior is sufficient reason for the op to give you the runaround concerning KYC.

I suggest you find an arbiter to help resolve the issues between yourself and the op. There is nothing gained rehashing old arguments. Good luck.
copper member
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he sent us fake documents
   
And why do you mislead people? I did not send any documents to you, I sent JPG files to you. There is no country in the world where the jpg image would be a document.

If you do not like what I sent, it does not mean that I'm bad. It shows my attitude towards you. YOU ARE NOBODY FOR ME. You Russian citizens grabbed my money without any legitimate reason so you are fucking bandits. That's my attitude.
full member
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He said he only sent some obvious fake files as a joke/mock. If that's true, I would say it's pretty obvious that he wasn't seriously trying to get verified with fake ID's.

We can assure you that he didn't send those documents as a joke or mock. In his earlier posts the OP claimed that he was "embarassed", which is why he sent us fake documents not only once but twice.
I can send any JPG files to you. I can tell you anything. All this will depend solely on my mood.

I can do all this because YOU ARE NOBODY. You are a bunch of pathetic people who work illegally in their country and steal other people's money (not only mine). I just do not consider you for people. You are something like dirt under my feet.

It's just my attitude to these "people". Therefore, there can be no talk of any cooperation. They must return the coins and close the exchanger.

So what about 2 attempts of submitting fake ID? How can you comment on this?

And why are your trying to hide this info? You've mentioned that you've sent putin's/tramp's photo but this is a lie as we see. Why do you lie to us?
jr. member
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All this screaming not needed
Chamgenow will return his coins back.
I know it will be like this
copper member
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He said he only sent some obvious fake files as a joke/mock. If that's true, I would say it's pretty obvious that he wasn't seriously trying to get verified with fake ID's.

We can assure you that he didn't send those documents as a joke or mock. In his earlier posts the OP claimed that he was "embarassed", which is why he sent us fake documents not only once but twice.
I can send any JPG files to you. I can tell you anything. All this depends solely on my mood.

I can do all this because YOU ARE NOBODY. You are a bunch of pathetic people who work illegally in your country and steal other people's money (not only mine). I just do not consider you for people. You are something like dirt under my feet.

It's just my attitude to these "people". Therefore, there can be no talk of any cooperation. They must return the coins and close the exchanger.
legendary
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He said he only sent some obvious fake files as a joke/mock. If that's true, I would say it's pretty obvious that he wasn't seriously trying to get verified with fake ID's.

We can assure you that he didn't send those documents as a joke or mock. In his earlier posts the OP claimed that he was "embarassed", which is why he sent us fake documents not only once but twice.

For the record: he didn't send us pictures of Trump or Putin, there was just a scan of some random passport and a selfie with a different face and a different ID.
We would like to share the documents he sent us, but it would be very unprofessional of us.

@Polina_ChangeNOW

If you did share the documents it would also be in breach of any known norm of privacy that would lead to a hefty fine or your website being shut down. The fact you said you would like to share the documents but will not because you did not want to be seen as unprofessional (instead of the fear of doing something illegal), sadly reinforces the widely held views that your business is not fit and proper. Please prove us all wrong by kindly refunding the OP.

Speaking of privacy, why are there no GDPR options on your website when so many of your customers reside within the EU?

GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) is a regulation in European Union law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union. These laws provide obligations of Right of Access and the Right to Erasure. These laws also covers obligations of collecting customer consent. GDPR laws affect all websites (including changenow) that have users that are citizens from within the European Union regardless of those websites and their business owners being based in or out of the European Union. So whether your business is based or registered in Belize or Netherlands or anywhere else is irrelevant, you have to abide by GDPR laws because European Union residents are accessing the changenow wesbite.
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