They are both scammers
Topic: ChangeNow.io (Evercode Lab) - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins). - page 12. (Read 34427 times)
September 16, 2018, 02:50:51 PM
The CASE is pretty clear for me : ChangeNow want to steal the money of a Scammer
They are both scammers
They are both scammers
September 16, 2018, 02:49:18 PM
I just saw the advertisement and I just read the whole topic ( The 21 pages) ,one thing is very very supicious to me : Why the OP doesn't want to fulfil the KYC process ?
Seriously,if it was me, I would have sent any document to get this huge amount of money back ...
But I can understand OP, there are a lot of horror stories about stolen documents...
OP : If you think you have done nothing wrong, Go to Russia, if you are powerful, the police will investigate this case seriously
If Changenow is involved in illegal activites, they will be sent to the gulag
Seriously,if it was me, I would have sent any document to get this huge amount of money back ...
But I can understand OP, there are a lot of horror stories about stolen documents...
OP : If you think you have done nothing wrong, Go to Russia, if you are powerful, the police will investigate this case seriously
If Changenow is involved in illegal activites, they will be sent to the gulag
Because they made it clear they would want ID for AML/KYC when the trade was made. After he sent the funds they forced him to send ID. The OP was right in not wanting to send his ID to changenow because it appears they are selective scamming and because of the OP (who spent his funds on buying ads to inform us of the changenow scam), we all owe him a big thanks.
Everybody should avoid changenow
September 16, 2018, 02:43:42 PM
I just saw the advertisement and I just read the whole topic ( The 21 pages) ,one thing is very very supicious to me : Why the OP doesn't want to fulfil the KYC process ?
Seriously,if it was me, I would have sent any document to get this huge amount of money back ...
But I can understand OP, there are a lot of horror stories about stolen documents...
OP : If you think you have done nothing wrong, Go to Russia, if you are powerful, the police will investigate this case seriously
If Changenow is involved in illegal activites, they will be sent to the gulag
Seriously,if it was me, I would have sent any document to get this huge amount of money back ...
But I can understand OP, there are a lot of horror stories about stolen documents...
OP : If you think you have done nothing wrong, Go to Russia, if you are powerful, the police will investigate this case seriously
If Changenow is involved in illegal activites, they will be sent to the gulag
September 14, 2018, 06:20:52 PM
@Polina_ChangeNOW
What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?
You did not reply to my previous request: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45690092
Waiting for your reply, thank you.
What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?
You did not reply to my previous request: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45690092
Waiting for your reply, thank you.
September 14, 2018, 05:39:14 PM
Why the hell are you placing banner ads with scam in the middle of projects threads ? Disgrace
September 14, 2018, 04:33:14 PM
They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.
The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that
The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that
I’ve read the story about “russian hackers” and the screenshots of you “conversation” with “Voyager CEO”....This is really amazing, I laughed few hours... I think even at school I wouldn’t believe this.
Ni23457, please don’t think people are as dumb as you are
Voyagerapp scam is still open, in fact they are not yet a scam proper mind except that his admin admitted it. although I will try that nobody accept them in any exchange, and I was the only one who reported it. I'm the only account that has denounced that scam. And from that complaint you relate me to the scam and then to the OP. And you mount a whole conspiracy to steal the OP money, I have come to this post by the red banner in this forum, thousands of people will read this even if they do not comment, and for anyone it is clear that you are looking for any way to legitimize your theft. But think a little before mixing others in your shit with such absurd assumptions.
September 14, 2018, 04:20:35 PM
They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.
The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that
The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that
I’ve read the story about “russian hackers” and the screenshots of you “conversation” with “Voyager CEO”....This is really amazing, I laughed few hours... I think even at school I wouldn’t believe this. I mean... account with 10 posts is really a good target for russian hackers hahahaha!
Ni23457, please don’t think people are as dumb as you are
September 14, 2018, 04:12:28 PM
They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.
The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that
The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that
September 14, 2018, 03:44:47 PM
Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.
Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for you
September 14, 2018, 03:28:20 PM
Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.
Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for you
September 14, 2018, 02:50:40 PM
So you were searching for an anonymous exchanger? Interesting.
Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.
Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.
September 14, 2018, 02:31:18 PM
I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread
Yeah, a part of some big scam story. The coins are dirtiest. And theymos received such coins for the red banner from me. Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for youYes you are right, at the time of the transaction it seems the words "anonymous and limitless" were removed.
https://www.google.com/search?q=changenow+anonymous
Even their topic here: [EXCHANGE]💰ChangeNOW: anonymous | limitless | 0.5% fee
If they suddenly changed their service, then I had to see a huge alert about it on their site. Honest people would do so.
But in any case, all this is not important. It's just a bunch of people from Russia, a country where cryptocurrency has no legal status. So these people are engaged in illegal business activities there. No state organization controls them. I'm not sure but Russian prosecutor may consider this as illegal banking activity
Thus I do not have to follow the orders of some suspicious people. They had to return my money at my first request.
And forget about Belize and Netherlands. This is a fairy tale for children. Any person can absolutely anonymously register offshore company in Belize (you need not more than $1000) and of course you can buy mailbox and phone number in Netherlands ($50-100 per month)
September 14, 2018, 02:09:07 PM
I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread
I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.
I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.
I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.
There was no mentioning of anonymity at the website at the time of his transaction.
All your and my guesses are unreasonable. Just guesses, no facts. We can only wait for the legal investigation to be finished.
Yes you are right, at the time of the transaction it seems the words "anonymous and limitless" were removed.
I do not believe there are any legal investigations going on. Changenow could not even tell you what the AML/KYC laws are in Belize which is where they are registered... changenow = selective scammers.
It is simple to see changenow messed with the wrong person and now they need to try to save face. No way do they want to release the funds back to the OP, they want to seize them to punish the OP for humiliating them.
September 14, 2018, 01:37:39 PM
I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread
I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.
I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.
I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.
There was no mentioning of anonymity at the website at the time of his transaction.
All your and my guesses are unreasonable. Just guesses, no facts. We can only wait for the legal investigation to be finished.
September 14, 2018, 01:31:54 PM
I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread
I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.
I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.
I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.
September 14, 2018, 01:10:30 PM
There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP
What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?
I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?
User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.
Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.
Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?
I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info
They are lying, there was no Europol request. They used selective scamming but messed with the wrong person (the OP).
I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.
I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread
September 14, 2018, 01:08:42 PM
I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.
September 14, 2018, 01:01:19 PM
There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP
What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?
I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?
User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.
Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.
Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?
I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info
They are lying, there was no Europol request. They used selective scamming but messed with the wrong person (the OP).
I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.
September 14, 2018, 12:59:11 PM
There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP
What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?
I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?
User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.
Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.
Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?
I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info
September 14, 2018, 12:55:13 PM
There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP
What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?
I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?
User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.
Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.
Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?
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