Changing Gambling Narratives - page 8.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

I want to bring to our notice that we all have to stand in support for gambling, because its now becoming so alarming that the government as well as some individual have always been seeing gambling as an illegal thing to do

Governments are hypocritical. Here in my country they had the monopoly of gambling through federal lottery, besides some other individuals who had connections to the government also being allowed to operate some gambling games following the lottery concept. Everyone else weren't allowed to run a gambling business, though.

Then, since crypto appeared, online gambling has become more popular and the activity has spread fastly year after year. Just when this phenomenon happened, the media started badmouthing gambling, as only from this moment on people started developing addictions and started losing money. Curiously, if people were losing money to the federal lottery, wouldn't there be any issues?

It's totally fine to criticize scammers and social influencers who lead people to mistakes, like making them to believe gambling is a source of extra income. However, to say gambling is the worst activity in the world and only harmful in every cases is totally dishonest from their part.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

Lets join in support for the growth and development of gambling, eradicating the narrative of gambling doing more evil than the good if offers.

Gambling narratives differ from one person to another; it is just the narratives of irresponsible gamblers that were enhanced that make gambling so bad in the eyes of the public.
There are bad and good sides to gambling; let's take the case of a lottery here in our country: lives have changed since winning the jackpot in the lottery.
And millions of people have benefited from the taxes of the lottery, as a huge part of the income goes to the health sector. Gambling, if not properly handled, can make a person's situation bad, but if you look at the big picture, countless lives have been saved by its operation.

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However, just for the sake of argument, which would it be if gambling is entirely eradicated from society, net positive or net negative? For me, and I guess it's pretty much obvious empirically, it's net positive.

If in 100 gamblers 5 of them are more or less addicted, gambling money that's supposed to be for bills payment or food or whatever the family needs, I'd rather that the remaining 95 be deprived of a hobby, one source of fun, for the sake of the 5 and their families, their jobs, their financial well-being, and so on.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

Lets join in support for the growth and development of gambling, eradicating the narrative of gambling doing more evil than the good if offers.

To me, gambling is not bad, gambling is basically a means of entertainment, but some people see gambling as cursed or sinful because while gambling, some people become addicted to gambling and addicted gamblers commit various crimes, which is why people consider gambling to be bad. Especially in Muslim countries, gambling is seen as a sin or bad because gambling is completely illegal in the Islamic constitution of Muslims. Islam never supports gambling for Muslims, which is why Muslim countries consider gambling bad or cursed. However, even in these countries, gambling is always done secretly. I am in favor of gambling because I can get entertainment from gambling. Gambling gives me a lot of pleasure.

Actually gambling is not bad, but it's just the way most of us gamble that makes it look bad sometimes. If you gamble responsibly you would enjoy gambling, it's essential to see gambling as an entertainment or having fun. Because once you see gambling as a way to get fun there's no how you get addicted to gambling, but when you gamble to get rich quick in gambling that's how you would start developing criminal art and before you no it the gambler would start doing bad things, just to satisfy him gambling urge.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

Lets join in support for the growth and development of gambling, eradicating the narrative of gambling doing more evil than the good if offers.

To me, gambling is not bad, gambling is basically a means of entertainment, but some people see gambling as cursed or sinful because while gambling, some people become addicted to gambling and addicted gamblers commit various crimes, which is why people consider gambling to be bad. Especially in Muslim countries, gambling is seen as a sin or bad because gambling is completely illegal in the Islamic constitution of Muslims. Islam never supports gambling for Muslims, which is why Muslim countries consider gambling bad or cursed. However, even in these countries, gambling is always done secretly. I am in favor of gambling because I can get entertainment from gambling. Gambling gives me a lot of pleasure.

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Each gamblers have the rights to think what they want about gambling, some regions don't like gambling because they thought gamble is a disaster to the nature. Funny thing is gambling can be bad if the gambler over Gamble irresponsible ways. Gamblers are not scammers but scammers are using gamble as a method to scam gamblers. How? Because there are channels that advertise a free predictions to attract the audience in social media so that they can subscribe and gain access to higher odds. Moreover, those that pay money to get predictions are normally new gamblers and old gambler that doesn't understand that winning is by luck.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

I want to bring to our notice that we all have to stand in support for gambling...

It is rather of a matter of supporting the right people have to do whatever they want with their own money, if they decide they want to gamble and put their money at risk, it is their business. In the same manner there are people who do not like gambling because their own reasons and decide to save up all their money and go for investments like stocks and gold.
Nobody talks about how those who speculate with stocks are thieves who take advantage of those who sell at loss and buy at high prices.

As long as we understand gambling is a business and a reliable source of income for casino managers and owners, we should be okey when allowing gambling to be part of a society, even though I know pretty well those in Muslim majority countries will not agree with us.

Having disagreements is thing but forbiding others from having their own will is a completely different one.

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Quote from: stadus on January 24, 2025, 04:27:43 PM

All the negative outcomes only happen when someone fails to follow the principle of 'gambling responsibly.' So, it’s not gambling itself that causes problems, but it’s irresponsible gambling.

Anything done irresponsibly becomes often (if not all) dangerous. Especially when it involves highly addictive activities, such as drinking, smoking, and gambling. The cases of bad endings with those involved in gambling concerning those who become rich are much more, and that's the main reason that those who are gamblers are considered "cursed" or ill.

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I like the reasons you stated, but remember that gambling is not illegal in most nations. And why would they make it illegal when they can tax this huge casinos operating in their country? It might be different for online though, as it's beyond their control, unless they are going to block the website itself. But in terms of gambling having a bad narrative in the society, it's obvious that nations that accept gambling might have known the ill effects already but still they are willing to go with it because of money itself.

I know it's sound very bad, but that's how society thrive and that's why we don't have a perfect society. Most of the time there will be one or two anomalies that are already inside of everyone and it's hard to get rid of that, and that is gambling. Sure there are religions that ban it, but still there are more countries around the world that allow gambling so it's really hard to get rid of that stigma or the narratives that you have lay down here.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

Lets join in support for the growth and development of gambling, eradicating the narrative of gambling doing more evil than the good if offers.

Despite what you listed above being true if I’m called out to support gambling I don’t think I’ll; before I’ll support it or join a campaign that’s trying to push this agenda I’ll make sure that gambling education or responsible gambling edicts set up first; if not it will only make people go into gambling and then gamble irresponsibly which will lead to disastrous outcomes and those who had those negative thoughts about gambling will end up looking like they were right from the start.

If a guide is not setup on how one can navigate gambling safely then those in gambling or those that are yet to learn how to control themselves will only just be proving those anti-gambling enthusiasts right.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

I want to bring to our notice that we all have to stand in support for gambling, because its now becoming so alarming that the government as well as some individual have always been seeing gambling as an illegal thing to do, well this is not what we can force anyone go against his will, but then, we also have to know what we stand for, whom we are and also be proud of it by making our stand, therefore i bring to you the following.

1. Gamblers are not thieves, even though they exist everywhere.
2. Gamblers are not scammers or looter of money, some are doing it does not qualify every gambler same
3. Gambling does not go against human nature, we do it to have fun, meet friends and exercise our knowledge
4. Gambling do no harm except we invoke it on ourselves, many people are being responsible for their cause.

Lets join in support for the growth and development of gambling, eradicating the narrative of gambling doing more evil than the good if offers.

Bad examples in the world of gambling are what make everyone take a harsh judgment against gambling and gamblers. It is true that excessive gambling can cause disasters, but we must be aware of the danger of excessive use of anything, even drinking water. There is a risk of falling prey to behavioral addiction if we practice any activity excessively, such as gambling or deviant sexual practices.

Another important reason is that some religious laws clearly prohibit gambling, and it is enough to mention gambling to any Muslim, for example, to declare his complete rejection and denial of all economic branches related to gambling. This creates a societal awareness that gambling is not only dangerous on a financial or health level, but it is a forbidden crime that requires punishment by eternity in hell. Do you expect gambling to have any chance of having a good reputation?

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I don't even know the information you are trying to pass in this thread because there are gamblers that became thieves due to their level of addiction. I saw a thread here earlier about a father who stole her daughters money to play gamble, isn't that stealing? or are we going to say because he stole the money from his own daughter that it is not stealing.

The growth and development of gambling is just as people are staking bets in casinos but for people to change their mind on how gambling has done more harm than good, it is impossible because before anyone is entering into gambling, they already have it in mind that they can experience more losses than winnings which implies that the bad side of gambling is higher than the good side except for those who don't get addicted and spend a lot of money in gambling because since they don't lose much, they won't see it as anything that will affect them.

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Governments don't hate gambling usually. They'd rather you lose all your money to get some pennies out of taxes then help you.
Truth be told gambling is really addictive so if s government knows it can't regulste it with people's wellbeing in mind then maybe as well keep it illegal.

Gambling can do harm, although I guess it's not as bad as other trades. But the issue here is how everyone else thinks about it. Not just the government. If you live in a country where religious beliefs are enforced, then it's up to the preachers to help everyone understand gamblers are not theirs but just regular people. And if someone is addicted they need support,.not ridicule.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on January 24, 2025, 04:02:09 PM

Government are not against gambling. They are against illegal, irresponsible, and underaged gambling. Just the way they not against drinking but against irresponsible, and underaged drinking.

But the issue with the Kind of approach they are giving it is by generalizing it's a means of getting people behaved in an illegal manners, while they are forgetting that these same abuse of different kinds also exist with other aspects of life, some countries allow for free gambling but under a condition for regulations, while some are not even considering on this because of their traditional approach in defining what gambling is, however, we will always keep having these mixed reactions all the time and gambling cannot be stopped irrespective of the approach given.

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I’ve heard all those negative opinions from people who aren’t even gamblers themselves. Only a gambler can truly understand another gambler, so why bother listening to them?

We’re here to have fun. How is it any different from going to the movies, spending money to enjoy, or buying things to make ourselves happy? It’s all spending, right? So don’t mind other people’s judgment because if you’re a responsible gambler, you know how to manage the risks and still have fun without jeopardizing your finances.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

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1. Gamblers are not thieves, even though they exist everywhere.
2. Gamblers are not scammers or looter of money, some are doing it does not qualify every gambler same
3. Gambling does not go against human nature, we do it to have fun, meet friends and exercise our knowledge
4. Gambling do no harm except we invoke it on ourselves, many people are being responsible for their cause.

Lets join in support for the growth and development of gambling, eradicating the narrative of gambling doing more evil than the good if offers.

You have a point OP, but just as we also promote and encourage gambling, we should also create awareness of its addiction, because you and i know very well that not all humans can control themselves, especially after continuous participation in any activity.
It is very true that gambling is not illegal. I sometimes spend time watching gamblers playing pokers, and betting massive amounts, because it's quite fascinating to watch.

But my only problem is seeing those who are struggling to survive gambling with the little they have. Like i ones told a friend, "you will think gambling is illegal/bad, until you see wealthy people staking some crazy amount just for fun, Playing mind games, and acting as if they've got a better card to win all staked amount". It's really interested though, especially when you're not below average in terms of finance.

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I really do like your initiate of trying to educate gamblers about whom they are and not identifying to what the non gambling population nicknamed us. In as much, everyone are entitled to how they spend and utilize their resources for pleasure or what the choice may be.

Gambling are not meant for little ones, anyone above the age is considered an adult and should be able to withstand societal and close pressure, people are always going to condemn despite not knowing how it works, same way we still have Anti Bitcoiners till today.

Gambling is not a crime, not a sin and not every gamblers are irresponsible , whoever calls it such should really get educated and change narratives.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

Lets join in support for the growth and development of gambling,

If very influential people in our community like priest, pastors, celebrities, politicians, etc start speaking in support of gambling, talking about it positively, it will help to affect and mold general view concerning gambling. If there are more government programs that try to make sure people gamble better than stopping people from gambling, maybe people will then see it as something not to be avoided, but something to be done better taking note of tips to make sure they stay a gambler that does not become a problem to the community.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 24, 2025, 03:28:44 PM

I want to bring to our notice that we all have to stand in support for gambling, because its now becoming so alarming that the government as well as some individual have always been seeing gambling as an illegal thing to do,

What government?
You do realize gambling has been legal and regulated in many countries for centuries, right?
If you take the UK for example they've done it since the 17th century and for the majority of time it was the ruling class that presided over those, I mean for god's sake the queen (now king) had a horse racing stable.

Also if anyone really believes that those 4 things are real they need to seek help from a professional, someone believing things as stupid as those is beyond normal help and now way you're talking reasoning in him.

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Well, I understand their stand because of the negative impact it creates for some gamblers who are already committing default loans, stealing, etc.

What they have experienced from addicted gamblers and their behavior could surely make you think that gambling gives nothing good but problems. But this is not what gambling is meant for because the thing that causes problems here is ourselves, not the casino. In fact, the government doesn't see them as a troublemaker because they also allow them to operate by giving them a license.

I believe the wrong here is how we manage ourselves.

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