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Quote from: sokani on September 14, 2024, 05:54:48 PM

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This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

Yes, but you wouldn't know. Clubs, coaches, players and referees are very much involved in it. Lazio, AC Milan, Juventus has been fined and relagated in the past because of matching fixing.

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If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Each sport such as football, baseball, basketball, cricket, lawn tennis etc, has existing laws that forbids players from gambling and the punishment varies depending on the sport, league, and country. The law is clearly made known to the players, and anyone that violates it knows what's at stake and should be ready to face the music.

I didn't know about the case of Juventus and AC Milan If not as you mentioned it like this, but apart from this, I have always suspect that some of these football Leagues have some very corrupt officials that carry out match-fixing and not only that, they employ every possible strategy to make sure their plans is carried out successfully, without even having any sympathy for normal gamblers that's going to lose money on the bet.

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Chinas has done the right thing. Anyone who is cheating or trying to cheat must get the most severe punishment. Also it will act as a reminder for others, who were just thinking of dreaming. Imho those cheaters must have been banned everywhere, not in China. That will be a true life lesson for them. Despite ban, it will be good to fine them for the amount they have cheated. Because ban does not help those who were cheated.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

We usually hear how some players and top officials are corrupt in terms of football matches, just in China, Son Jun-ho, a form former South Korean player and 43 other were banned for life for gambling and match-fixing.

That serves them right... You can't eat your cake and have it, never! One thing is certain; these officials know too well the influence of this unusual manipulation in the game, but since it adds to their pockets from different sources, they don't really care about the impact.
I've read a couple of comments above saying the punishment was rather too harsh on them -- have you realized the damage these set of corrupt officials have done in the system so far? Considering the fact that they wouldn't stop on their own unless they were apprehended?

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If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

i feel, since this is becoming too rampant and the number of recorded cases have skyrocketed over the years, anyone caught should be fined heavily, banned and made to serve time.

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Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

I can assume they don't need to colab with bookmakers... They just need to summon the administrative department of the fixed teams, make a huge payment on bribe for both ends and that's it...

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This is what you get for choosing money over the prospect of your carrier. How much can you win from making such level of compromise when you already know that it's against the code of conduct as a sports person? It's only painful that for sports lovers that supports some of these guys are just doing wo without knowing that we're gradually moving into an era where football is now more about money than real entertainment and fun.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

some of them knows the worse case scenario that will happen should they get cought and are already prepared to go off the sporting space to enjoy their money. For the pains and the potential loss they've cost gamblers, they deserve to get at least a few months of jail term

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

do they need to collaborate with the bookies before outsmarting the result of a game? With one or two causual moves from them, it can just cause them to lose a game or make a game go in the direction they've pre willed it.

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Big leagues are having less chances of getting tangled up in such scandals, coming from China, I was not expecting to see such things, I considered them a disciplined country - maybe too much discipline makes them crave for a little freedom. Grin

I dont blame them, they are human after all.

This dude was also into another match fixing controversy in 2023 and was detained for the same [1]

On the other hand, this is rampant and openly happening from where I live and nobody gets caught. The clubs here are always getting support from politicians and have been pet goons for the same too. When they are not playing they are doing all sorts of debauchery.

Still at least some sort of harsh punishment needs to be done for wrongdoing players like these. It his second rodeo after all. Cool

[1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20230515004200315

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

The decision taken by the China football association is reasonable, with millions of fans involved in a sport with some unscrupulous players fixing matches for nefarious purposes. Fixing matches is not desirable in any way whether it is small or big matches especially fixing in international matches causes more damage than fixing in domestic matches. If match fixing is done in La Liga, English Premier League, Euro Football Champions League, etc leagues, gamblers lose billions of dollars while some unscrupulous players engage in these heinous criminal activities just for their own interests. If I am asked how justified this incident in China is, I would say that the CFA has taken a good enough initiative and brought these players under punishment.

Its reasonable for the fact that they are engaging with illegal activities that can affect the result of the game. Banning for life is good actions towards this kind of activities so that no other players or connected to that sports would follow their actions. The decision made by China surely create huge fear to those people who's not yet doing this since for sure their career will be ruined especially if they receive this ban since for sure that they cannot get decent pays especially if those players got ban from big leagues.

This kind of activities is not effective since we are now living on digital era. All people have camera and can able to speak on social media towards the game result they are watching so if they do this activities for sure that they will be easily found out doing things and receive this kind of sanction from league or government like China.

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If there will be an ample punishment for this, they wouldn't just go for jail but also pay a penalty fine for the wrong doing they've made. The country leaders should pay attention on this matter because this is really unfair to every person who trusted the game play, and yet in the end their money will suffer without any good returns. Not all players only play for fun, also they're hoping to increase their profit as well.

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That will depend on each government and the law in that country. If the law is too strict, those player will get a ban for life from gambling and more punishment will be given. The other punishment can be in a jail for few years or even forever.

That can give a deterrent effect to people so they will not want to gambling especially if their country prohibit gambling. But that will not stop people from gambling secretly because they can gambling in an underground casino. Maybe the government will difficult to find those people because only few people will know the casino places.

So that will depend on the government how to act to gambling. People should know about the punishment so they will think twice to playing gambling. That will be better if the government can

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

The Chinese league have been involved in many scandals ranging from match-fixing to bribery and other illegalities. Players or officials caught in this shameful act should be heavily sanctioned because this criminal offence can kill the beautiful game of football. These scandals might be the reason why the Chinese league crumbled even after the government invested so much.

The punishment culprits should face will depend on the nature of their offence. First-time offenders should receive more lenient punishment than habitual offenders. Sanctions can include fines and a temporary ban, but in severe cases, a permanent ban from football should be the punishment.

I have not come across any case where casinos partner with players to fix matches, maybe it might exist. But in most cases match fixing is associated with players and officials.

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It is very outrageous and disheartening to hear that some people go as far as fixing match for there selfish interest without considering the effect that it will cause on other bettors whom rely on their performance to win some billion of dollars, knowing the consequences that will befall them if caught. I usually hear some speculation in regards to this event, on how most match are fixed but I don't really know how true the information might be, because I wounder how a match played on the pitch with the view of everyone and how it went smoothly will be a fixed match. But sometimes the way some games are being played, I have that instinct that the game didn't play as expected. Now from this information i believe more cases will unfold. But to be sincere, the penalty to the offense where too harsh and uncalled for. They should be punished but not baning them for life. Because many people have Committed offense above this yet they where given a Fair judgement.

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I think a big portion of sports is rigged, it’s just that only a few get caught. Since it’s not the major leagues, not many people hear about it. But if this happened in the NBA, NFL, or MLB, their markets would surely take a hit, and viewership would drop even if those involved were punished.

As a sports bettor, there's not much you can do about it. If you happen to bet on the team that was rigged to win, good for you. If not, just move on. That’s why you shouldn’t forget about bankroll management, so losses don’t sting as much when things go sideways.

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Quote from: sokani on September 14, 2024, 05:54:48 PM

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This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

Yes, but you wouldn't know. Clubs, coaches, players and referees are very much involved in it. Lazio, AC Milan, Juventus has been fined and relagated in the past because of matching fixing.

I have just known about Calciopoli scandal, although I have read before that Juventus relegated to Seria B but I did not know they were to win the title that season. Calciopoli scandal was common in Seria A before but I do not think it is common now as those clubs in the top leagues were severely punished in the past.

I think referee is not need to be involved because the players and the coaches are enough to do the manipulation.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

The decision taken by the China football association is reasonable, with millions of fans involved in a sport with some unscrupulous players fixing matches for nefarious purposes. Fixing matches is not desirable in any way whether it is small or big matches especially fixing in international matches causes more damage than fixing in domestic matches. If match fixing is done in La Liga, English Premier League, Euro Football Champions League, etc leagues, gamblers lose billions of dollars while some unscrupulous players engage in these heinous criminal activities just for their own interests. If I am asked how justified this incident in China is, I would say that the CFA has taken a good enough initiative and brought these players under punishment.

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This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

Yes, but you wouldn't know. Clubs, coaches, players and referees are very much involved in it. Lazio, AC Milan, Juventus has been fined and relagated in the past because of matching fixing.

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If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Each sport such as football, baseball, basketball, cricket, lawn tennis etc, has existing laws that forbids players from gambling and the punishment varies depending on the sport, league, and country. The law is clearly made known to the players, and anyone that violates it knows what's at stake and should be ready to face the music.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

We usually hear how some players and top officials are corrupt in terms of football matches, just in China, Son Jun-ho, a form former South Korean player and 43 other were banned for life for gambling and match-fixing.

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Chinese football on Tuesday banned 43 people for life over alleged gambling and match-fixing, including three former China internationals and South Korean player Son Jun-ho,

The 43 were among 128 people implicated in total in a two-year probe into illegal gambling and match-fixing in the domestic game,

The Chinese Football Association (CFA) accused Son, who played for Shandong Taishan in the Chinese Super League, of participating in match-fixing and taking bribes.

China’s football governing body has itself been under scrutiny — about 10 high-ranking CFA officials have so far been brought down in corruption probes.

The government in March handed a lifetime prison sentence to Chen Xuyuan,

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This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

There's no saying what the real situation was for those players that were banned, that is, if they worked in collaboration with the bookies or not, but it could be possible that something of such can be arranged, because the gambling owners will surely make a good cut and keep the business running.

Still, it is not as if the society sees gambling as a holy and worthy game of sort, but banning such persons shouldn't be just enough punishment without having a detailed confession on accomplices and alibi present.

Corruption like this, is no longer restricted to politics and football and other sports, it is a shadow that sticks to the money trail of those greedy people who love to exploit systems for their selfish gains.

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Match fixing is a serious business and highly secretive. How they were able to uncover this large scale match fixing scandal is really a mystery and shows how big the business is. Now it make more sense how some matches turn out in terms of their results because I remember suffering devastating losses in the Chinese Super League many times in the past. I can only imagine how many matches these group of 128 persons have influenced thereby making the general gambling public to lose money whereas only those with insider information will make money from the fixed matches.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

Most of the games that are being fixed are the domestic leagues, most of these top leagues are always difficult to fix because the officials already know the risk involved in fixing matches. That’s why I don’t just involve myself in most of the local sports in my country because I know most of the top officials are corrupt, and even if things like this happen, it’s going to be difficult to figure it out because even the people that are supposed to investigate things like dis are corrupt already.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

That’s cheating. seriously, I will say ban is not really enough, their punishment should be more, they have committed a great crime by cheating people, that’s just greediness, so seriously, I will say their punishment should be more, at least it will serve as an example to others trying to do the same.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 01:56:36 PM

If the authorities can actually go through their account and cease some of those funds, then sentence them to jail too.

That would be a good move from the authorities as such criminals should go to jail and they may not get bail for at least a year so they can understand the pain of others. They fulfill their own desires and loot money of the poor players by fixing the matches, and for such act they should get behind the bars for at least a year or more.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

We usually hear how some players and top officials are corrupt in terms of football matches, just in China, Son Jun-ho, a form former South Korean player and 43 other were banned for life for gambling and match-fixing.

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Chinese football on Tuesday banned 43 people for life over alleged gambling and match-fixing, including three former China internationals and South Korean player Son Jun-ho,

The 43 were among 128 people implicated in total in a two-year probe into illegal gambling and match-fixing in the domestic game,

The Chinese Football Association (CFA) accused Son, who played for Shandong Taishan in the Chinese Super League, of participating in match-fixing and taking bribes.

China’s football governing body has itself been under scrutiny — about 10 high-ranking CFA officials have so far been brought down in corruption probes.

The government in March handed a lifetime prison sentence to Chen Xuyuan,

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This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

I would not like to be this guy, because of all the places to get caught cheating - China is probably one of the worst. The government their does not like anything that tarnishes their reputation, they are quite happy with cheating going on if it makes the country look better, but if it is ever found out and released publicly then you will pay dearly. Not quite to the levels of North Korea punishing generations of your family, but they can make you disappear rather easily or give you a very long jail sentence. It sounds like a wide scale scam as well and the ringleaders usually get punished quite severely. They will likely have to pay back any money with fines on top, along with getting prison sentences.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 14, 2024, 11:06:00 AM

The article mentions that they were fixing matches for a period of approximately two years; imagine how many matches were fixed and for what amounts of money we're talking. And that's if we suppose that the two years are actually two and not more. Imagine the amounts of money we're talking about; I'm guessing it should be at least a few million dollars worth of bets. It would be interesting to see if law enforcement went through their bank accounts and confiscated all their funds.

I doubt if it's just going to be a few million dollars but rather a huge unimaginable sum of money that they have accumulated from their greedy corrupt act, while they must have also cost bettors to lose a huge sum of money. If the authorities can actually go through their account and cease some of those funds, then sentence them to jail too.

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