China bans, Son Jun-ho, 42 others for life for gambling, match-fixing.

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And just the last month we had a topic in which everyone here was saying that match-fixing doesn't happen in top leagues
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-referees-get-bribed-to-cheat-in-a-match-5507349

Almost everyone was in complete denial a refer or a player could arrange a match in a top league because there are cameras, there is VAR, and so on, now let me remind you what happened and how big this thing was:
- the former vice president of the Chinese Football Association got 11 years
- in March a former chief of China's soccer association got life in prison
- 10 CFA officials under scrutiny in different cases
- 61 people directly involved in the cases, 43 convicted
- 20 matches, 128 criminal suspects, and 41 football clubs
- just one of the cases involves $10 million in bribes

And as I said just one month ago everyone thought something even remotely close to this scale would be impossible, and in another thread, there was no visible problem with somebody owning more clubs, now adding that one to the corruption here and think what it would lead to!

Quote from: alani123 on September 15, 2024, 08:16:18 AM

I have never seen such a large round of arrests. Authorities in most countries are rarely involved in their sports scene and actually let the rich people owning the teams write the rules completely, but it seems like China won't let it be that way.

The club involved Shandong Taishan is owned by State Grid Corporation of China, completely state owned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandong_Taishan_F.C.
Most clubs are state or province-owned through government companies!

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 16, 2024, 04:39:44 AM

Yes, I always have those suspicion and it's actually true that some of those bad actors have hands with some bookies as they use them to alter the supposed results of matches. With this their evil activity, they cause innocent and genuine players to lose their money. The worst part of the situation is that, it's only the football officials or players that gets caught, they don't mention the casinos they are working with.

Well you know, money is everything.

When the police caught a scandal, they need to bring something to the public. In this case there are two entities i.e. the player and the casino, if both of them can bribe the police, they will be fine. But, they need to find someone who willing to be the "perpetrator", of course this will make them lose their reputation.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on September 15, 2024, 09:07:53 AM

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Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

Several cases that I have read about involving cheating between players and bookies have been happening for a long time, such as: Cheating, a history: 10 scandals that rocked the world of sports., Whatever happens, the dealer's payment to those who cheat scandals is greater than the payment after finishing the tournament, the payment to the player.

Yes, I always have those suspicion and it's actually true that some of those bad actors have hands with some bookies as they use them to alter the supposed results of matches. With this their evil activity, they cause innocent and genuine players to lose their money. The worst part of the situation is that, it's only the football officials or players that gets caught, they don't mention the casinos they are working with.

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Quote from: stadus on September 15, 2024, 03:49:09 AM

I think a big portion of sports is rigged, it’s just that only a few get caught. Since it’s not the major leagues, not many people hear about it. But if this happened in the NBA, NFL, or MLB, their markets would surely take a hit, and viewership would drop even if those involved were punished.

As a sports bettor, there's not much you can do about it. If you happen to bet on the team that was rigged to win, good for you. If not, just move on. That’s why you shouldn’t forget about bankroll management, so losses don’t sting as much when things go sideways.

In other words, match fixing has affected the performance of most athletes, which behavior now derails the charisma that once existed in games like football. For instance, players two decades ago, invested more energy and skill into soccer compared to recent day footballers. Who barely, make dramatic moves, or utilize sharp opportunities in the pitch, in one way or another, due to their interest in winning a bet.

It’ll ruin the league, plain and simple. And once the league’s destroyed, the experience for the fans is gone too. That's why this kind of thing shouldn’t happen, because it's the fans who are really keeping the league alive. Without us watching, that league wouldn’t exist, and they wouldn’t make any money.

It's a shame they get so greedy, feeling the need to deceive people just to serve their own interests. I think this calls for much harsher punishments to really send a message and make an example out of them.

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Quote from: Text on September 14, 2024, 07:30:38 AM

In my opinion, the punishment should go beyond just a lifetime ban. Corruption in sports affects millions of fans and bettors worldwide who trust the outcomes to be fair. Players who take part in these activities should face criminal charges as well, depending on the severity of their involvement.

As for the connection with casinos, it’s quite possible that some of these players work with gambling establishments or criminal networks behind the scenes. It’s not just an individual decision, it often involves organized groups that profit from rigged outcomes. The whole system, from players to gambling institutions, should be investigated and held accountable to protect the integrity of the game.

I believe they have been doing this for quite a long time already, which means with that long span of time, a lot of people and gambling establishments may have been involved already. If the case will be more investigated, it's more likely that there will be more prominent people that will come out that are protecting this anomaly.

Lifetime banning may be a hard sanction already, but I think it's not yet enough. At least they should also be in prison and pay their wrongdoings and should serve a lesson that everything that is done wrongly under the table will never succeed in the long run. There's always comes a time that they will get sanctioned and put into jail, thus losing their freedom in exchange for their bad deeds.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

This happens everywhere, it is just that many leagues decide to hide this information as this will hinder the trust of the fans on the fairness of the competition, and casinos do not want this to be found either as the losses they will suffer will be way higher than whatever those scammers could get out of them, it is only when things get out of control when you could see someone taking actions against those criminals, and make no mistake, that is exactly what they are as people are losing money due to their manipulations and they deserve to go to jail.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 15, 2024, 01:38:16 PM

This is pathetic, Son Jun-ho started well in his career and ended badly due to greed. I wonder what else these internationally known players who have been so blessed still want in life that causes this greed. I hope others will learn from his predicament. Shame!

Those who are greedy are greedy; they will never learn such a type of news. It can only make them stop what they are doing at that point in time, and after that time they will start all over again.

Some can even go as far as saying that those who were caught are because there is a loophole among themselves, which could probably be the reason why they get caught without thinking about it in the other way that nothing is always forever hidden.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 15, 2024, 01:38:16 PM

This is pathetic, Son Jun-ho started well in his career and ended badly due to greed. I wonder what else these internationally known players who have been so blessed still want in life that causes this greed. I hope others will learn from his predicament. Shame!

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

I don't have doubts about match-fixing and its effect on the outcome of any match, but I still wonder how potent it could be on the intended outcome and bettings when it's not all the team members who are privy to the act.

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If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

If it were to be for gambling, players should only be suspended for years in my opinion to serve as a deterrent for them. But if it's match-fixing, it's fraud they committed, they should all be jailed for it.

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Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

I've heard this allegation many times but I don't believe it.

What a big disappointment for him and that is what greed normally do to people that are not wise and want to make extra money from people's sweat. This is a bad example for other players too that are involved in this kind of activities. I just hope everyone will learn from this and make corrections as soon as possible. China is one country that I liked and they are very strict when it comes to corruption. The country has been trying so hard to bring many corrupt people to book and the penalties are very severe. How I wish other countries too will learn from Chinese anger against infidelity and corruption.

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This is pathetic, Son Jun-ho started well in his career and ended badly due to greed. I wonder what else these internationally known players who have been so blessed still want in life that causes this greed. I hope others will learn from his predicament. Shame!

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

I don't have doubts about match-fixing and its effect on the outcome of any match, but I still wonder how potent it could be on the intended outcome and bettings when it's not all the team members who are privy to the act.

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If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

If it were to be for gambling, players should only be suspended for years in my opinion to serve as a deterrent for them. But if it's match-fixing, it's fraud they committed, they should all be jailed for it.

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Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

I've heard this allegation many times but I don't believe it.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

Match fixing is bad. First I don't know if the accused actually was involved or not but what I think is that a ban for life is a fair punishment for those who are caught. Match fixing has far reaching and damaging effects on the game, the club, the bookies, fans, and even those who gamble. It should be frowned at and the ban for life is very fair compared to being thrown in jail. Unfortunately, it happens so much in smaller leagues that FIFA or the sports body may not even have the time to look into or follow up with it. Match fixing is not an individual thing even though it is only an individual who is caught that becomes the scapegoat. So many people are all involved in pulling off a successful match fixing including some very corrupt bookies.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on September 15, 2024, 02:49:36 AM

I think referee is not need to be involved because the players and the coaches are enough to do the manipulation.

Referees are pretty much involved in match fixing. Below are some excerpts I took from the article: When the man in black goes rogue.

"Ghana banned more than 60 officials who had conspired to fix match results for money. Many of them were secretly filmed accepting bribes by investigative journalist Anas Aremeyaw Anas."

"In June 2004, thirty-three people including nineteen referees of the South African Football Association were arrested on match-fixing charges."

"Last year, three tennis umpires – Anucha Tongplew, Apisit Promchai and Chitchai Srililai – from Thailand were handed life bans for match-fixing and betting offences, including manipulating the official scoring system during matches."

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 15, 2024, 07:55:21 AM

I didn't know about the case of Juventus and AC Milan If not as you mentioned it like this, but apart from this, I have always suspect that some of these football Leagues have some very corrupt officials that carry out match-fixing and not only that, they employ every possible strategy to make sure their plans is carried out successfully, without even having any sympathy for normal gamblers that's going to lose money on the bet.

I actually made those few mentions. They're many cases of match fixing in the Italian league, though mainly in the 80's. There's one hilarious case that ended 95-0. The scoreline prompted an investigation and it was later discovered that Cremonese’s goal keeper added sleeping pills in the drinking water of his team mates, just because he wanted to pay off his gambling debts.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

I don't think that such deals could be possible with grand players who are earning up to hundred millions of dollar per year ^{(some of them even more)} and most Premier League players are from such class. Probably small-time players from the team of the second or even third division could have such temptation to work with bookies but we don't know for sure this, so to be on the safe side in your betting affairs it would be clever to make them for Premier League events.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

I agree with the punishment of banning such athletes from the official competitions of the respective sports they play. It encourages the fairness and legitimacy of the outcomes and discourage another greedy athletes from following the same shady path. Further punishments is something to think about. I believe the profit they made fixing matches should be also seized and redistributed to those who were prejudiced by their scheme.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

Yes, it's possible. The fact casinos or bookies are the main sponsors of sports industry nowadays triggers a serious alert on this matter.

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Pretty much related to the topic I just recently created, Which is easier to rig, point spread or total?

I am referring to the rigging situation. This just proves that rigging really happens, but the league in question is smaller compared to major ones we've mentioned like the NBA, NFL, and MLB. These big leagues are popular worldwide, especially in the US.

For a smaller league like the one in the OP, it's probably easier to get caught since it's more obvious. The bookies in these cases are likely to take a big hit because anyone with inside info on the rigging is almost guaranteed a win. A lifetime ban as punishment seems fair, and honestly, jail time should also be on the table to really teach them a lesson.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

We usually hear how some players and top officials are corrupt in terms of football matches, just in China, Son Jun-ho, a form former South Korean player and 43 other were banned for life for gambling and match-fixing.

I don't know how their regulations are being made strict over there, this is not something i think should have attracted a penalty on that extent, but once a rule is always a rule, we have to go by it, abide it or face the consequence, though it may looks absurd on us, but we have to understand that it is not something that has to do with our personal opinion, but the situation of how things were being done under a particular settings.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

I don't know why Son Jun-ho, a Korean national team player, was released after being arrested yesterday, unlike the bribery case involving high-ranking Chinese officials such as Chen Yongliang, Yu Hongchen, Dong Zheng and others, they were sentenced to prison and fines, even though the case is the same as they are corrupt, as is the Chinese national team coach, Li Te, only they are not players, but high-ranking officials.

Son should also be punished like those I mentioned above, regardless of his confession there was pressure, if he didn't commit the bribe he shouldn't have to admit to something he didn't do, that's logic, Bad luck had happened to Son's behavior, his friend had to lose his career in football for the rest of his life, whatever happened, it had happened, the rice had become porridge.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

Several cases that I have read about involving cheating between players and bookies have been happening for a long time, such as: Cheating, a history: 10 scandals that rocked the world of sports., Whatever happens, the dealer's payment to those who cheat scandals is greater than the payment after finishing the tournament, the payment to the player.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

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If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

Anyone involved in match fixing and bribery are indeed supposed to be banned from gambling within the jurisdiction, that makes sense to me, but also it is necessary those people to do time in prison because they committed what is considered to be a serious crime or fraud in the most of the civilized world.
If they were just banned from gambling, that would not stop them from continuing to fix matches, as they could get help from third parties to stake and withdraw the money from bookies and casinos, they would not if they are locked up in prison. Also, I generally have a bad perception and opinion on how the government of China is in general, though I am happy to see they at least take bribery and match fixing seriously enough to take actions against officials and players who are corrupt, one can feel the contrast when one lives in a country where much match fixing takes place and yet, there seems to be no consequence for the criminals involved in it.

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Chinese authorities are incredibly courageous to come through with such a large crackdown. It's not just players, but officials too. 41 clubs were faced with arrests and 128 suspects were announced:
http://en.people.cn/n3/2024/0911/c90000-20217840.html

I have never seen such a large round of arrests. Authorities in most countries are rarely involved in their sports scene and actually let the rich people owning the teams write the rules completely, but it seems like China won't let it be that way.

It's also funny that Son Jun-ho would go on to say that he was the target of a forced confession, only to later leave the club in his home country after he was banned for life in China. If he's innocent then why would a club in his home country, who truth be told doesn't have the best relations with china Either, let him go also?

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Quote from: stadus on September 15, 2024, 03:49:09 AM

I think a big portion of sports is rigged, it’s just that only a few get caught. Since it’s not the major leagues, not many people hear about it. But if this happened in the NBA, NFL, or MLB, their markets would surely take a hit, and viewership would drop even if those involved were punished.

As a sports bettor, there's not much you can do about it. If you happen to bet on the team that was rigged to win, good for you. If not, just move on. That’s why you shouldn’t forget about bankroll management, so losses don’t sting as much when things go sideways.

In other words, match fixing has affected the performance of most athletes, which behavior now derails the charisma that once existed in games like football. For instance, players two decades ago, invested more energy and skill into soccer compared to recent day footballers. Who barely, make dramatic moves, or utilize sharp opportunities in the pitch, in one way or another, due to their interest in winning a bet.

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The next day from the above article, it said that Son Jun-ho denied if he took a part in match-fixing, however his team already terminated his contract. We still don't know the official statement whether Son Jun-ho really took a part in match-fixing or not.

But, what sure is his career already ruined, just like Benjamin Mendy in Manchester City, after his case is already resolved, he's no longer a same Mendy like when he was in Manchester City.

Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/south-koreas-son-jun-ho-denies-chinese-accusations-soccer-match-fixing-2024-09-11/

"I never took part in match-fixing," Son told a news conference. "The only evidence they have is my false confession made under coercion," he added, breaking down in tears.
"I was threatened that if I didn't accept the charges, my wife would be arrested and investigated, too."
The midfielder, who has lost his spot in the South Korean side since the scandal broke, was released and returned home in March after nearly 10 months of detention in China.

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