China bans, Son Jun-ho, 42 others for life for gambling, match-fixing. - page 3.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on September 14, 2024, 06:45:04 AM

It is avoidable and you can reduce the chance of your bet to be of fixed matches. Go for top leagues like EPL, La Liga, Seria A, France Lique 1 and some the top leagues.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

They should also be put in jail for like 6 months would be better. But the reason they are not doing that is because they believe the name of the player has no reputation again. No club will buy the player. No salary again. So they do not consider jail to be worth it.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some casinos?

They do not need to work with bookies before they will manipulate.

The truth is that there is no League that could not be vulnerable to such match fixing scheme, this is the most events that give birth to some games call fixed game's, although the chances for a match to be fixed are lower in the international league and very visible in the local league, the Chinese government have strict punishment for corruption as you can see from the news that some other offenders got life in prison, this is hard enough and I wish other countries around the world will treat corruption in such light as china.

Match fixing have been a lot visible since the coming of gambling and the whales will always want to manipulate the market, that is why most countries bans football officials and players from gambling, but even at that some of them still gamble and involved in match fixing in one way or the other.

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From what I read on Portuguese news channels, Son Jun-ho told the South Korean press that he is innocent and did not understand anything of what he was being accused of. He also said that the Chinese threatened his family and that is why he had to confess to something he did not do. But he considers himself innocent. Cameroonian Ewolo Donovan was also punished. In my opinion, I would not trust anything that comes from China. They may be doing this as a way of sending away foreign players who receive high salaries. Because there are cases of players and directors who are involved in this alleged scheme who received less severe punishments. Which clearly shows that this is a case with obscure motivations on the part of the Chinese government.

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Am I the only one who is noticing the term Allegedly?

It means there's no proof yet to claim the wrong doings so you can sentence someone based on suspicion and even banning the player doesn't seem fair I smell some political game involved in this.

I doubt we will see any severe punishment even if they were proved to be involved in match fixing, they can ban the player temporarily or permanently.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

I'm not sure that either such players work hand in hand with some bookies but I'm pretty sure that match-fixing is a very bad act one does and such person should get proper punishment for that act.

Getting banned from gambling for life time is a good punishment for such match fixers but I believe that there should be some more punishments for such fixers like fining them with at least $100k or even more severe punishment than that.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on September 14, 2024, 06:45:04 AM

It is avoidable and you can reduce the chance of your bet to be of fixed matches. Go for top leagues like EPL, La Liga, Seria A, France Lique 1 and some the top leagues.

It is true, the chances of match fixing in top leagues like the ones you mentioned should be next to impossible because the clubs and players are very rich. I doubt that anybody that is personally involved in these leagues will risk their reputations and the kind of money that they earn to be involved in match fixing. But I won't be surprised about match fixing scandals in lower and unpopular leagues because you can't compare them in anyway with these top reputable leagues. I'm not very familiar with the Chinese football league and I guess that match fixing is possible there and in any other regular leagues. China, is a no nonsense country and I'm not surprised to hear about their harsh punishment on the offenders

I don't know how frequently people watch the Chinese leagues and other leagues that are not too popular. But if I must say I understand and agree that match-fixing can happen in those leagues. Their officials are not so strict like the Premier League and other top leagues in football. And any player who has decided to be part of those who are interested in fixing a match even then does not value their football career. Such players are not allowed to support their country in international games.

I do not watch South Korean footballs but I am sure that I have staked in some of their games lately and I can't remember if the match ended well or not. Well, leagues that are not popular can easily tricky, just like the way Son Jun-ho for fixing football games. I don't believe that such things also exist in those popular leagues that you mentioned.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

The ban is okay, and I suggest that they should be given a second chance. Maybe after a long time.

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Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some casinos bookies?

No they don't, the players are just selfish because they are gaining something from the games that they fixed. If they are not gaining anything from in those games that they are fixing they wouldn't have been doing it.

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Quote from: Woodie on September 14, 2024, 07:02:49 AM

The Chinese don't play around when it comes to sentencing wrongdoers 🥵, and for a country that I dont really consider as a footballing nation .this is a harsh punishment to be honest, why not go for a hefty fine and a couple of years behind bars so that when they serve they can be the ambassadors to dicourage their fellow professional footballers from this bad business practice that seems to be growing all around the world...

Am just hoping these are the big fish and not some agents being implicated.

Well the thing is, in China not only is match fixing obviously against the law but also gambling. So the culprits in question basically got double the punishment because of double the damage. A life sentence is truly crazy and over the top but they took the risk and got caught, if you do this in a place like China then god be with you. Tongue

That's what you need to be aware of if you do something like this in China unfortunately, officials ( also obviously corrupt as fk ) don't play around when something like this happens. Guess the guys didn't pay off enough people.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some casinos?

Because it's only a life ban given as an offense, that's why the issue of corruption and match-fixing exists in football matches despite a life ban. If a few months or years of imprisonment are added as an offense to players or top officials who default to gambling, this terrible act will be curtailed

It's quite fortunate that some human beings are ready to risk their careers for personal benefits which can be classified as greediness. You can imagine how shameful it can be that one's career is over because of a simple act they can afford not to be involved with.

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Match-fixing is an act that is detrimental to many parties, because it not only benefits the parties involved but also they tarnish the sportsmanship of football through the actions they take. Chinese officials have done the right thing by banning them for life for these despicable activities. This also proves that match-fixing is still a problem in football and there are many mafias, officials, and players, who still take advantage of it to make a profit - and that further risks bettors who want to bet on smaller leagues because of this problem.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 14, 2024, 08:52:28 AM

Imagine if law enforcement could track the amount of money they robbed from people. Anything over $1 million stolen results in death by firing squad or something crazy. Really no reason tax payers of any country should have to pay to house these fucktards for the next xxx years. Maximum punishment might really put an end to the corruption.

The article mentions that they were fixing matches for a period of approximately two years; imagine how many matches were fixed and for what amounts of money we're talking. And that's if we suppose that the two years are actually two and not more. Imagine the amounts of money we're talking about; I'm guessing it should be at least a few million dollars worth of bets. It would be interesting to see if law enforcement went through their bank accounts and confiscated all their funds.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

And now I know the reason why an athlete in some sports are usually banned from gambling, most especially same game, in other to avoid stories such as this, because it's literally not fair for these people to have been taking advantage of games to their personal profit, despite the fact that they knew such act was against the rules.

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If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Banning them for life from gambling should be a reasonable punishment giving to people that fall victim to this illegal act, because you literally can't kill them, hence, preventing them from having access to fix a game later in the future and gambling is a better punishment

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Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

Most times, I think a casino may have a hand in fix matches, especially on games on small league, whereas, when it comes to big leagues, then the referee or coach likely to do that.

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Quote from: Text on September 14, 2024, 07:30:38 AM

In my opinion, the punishment should go beyond just a lifetime ban. Corruption in sports affects millions of fans and bettors worldwide who trust the outcomes to be fair. Players who take part in these activities should face criminal charges as well, depending on the severity of their involvement.

As for the connection with casinos, it’s quite possible that some of these players work with gambling establishments or criminal networks behind the scenes. It’s not just an individual decision, it often involves organized groups that profit from rigged outcomes. The whole system, from players to gambling institutions, should be investigated and held accountable to protect the integrity of the game.

It is true that cases like this must be resolved to the root, where sometimes the champion has to be willing to lose for the sake of greedy people, I think this does not only happen in China but in every country, and this incident often occurs when there is an event between countries such as the World Cup

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Match fixing has always been a problem in sports and the stakes are higher at the higher level. At modern times, high level leagues and national sports associations keeps a good eye on players activities and balances and we believe there are lesser of those match and spot fixings. But again sports is also used as a way of laundering your money as well as tax evasion, leagues associated with business and clubs bought by rich people. When there's too much money involved, there could be many loopholes to take advantage of.
The correct response to every proved instance of match fixing and spot fixing is life time ban but it would have not much effect when they are already retired or have kept their money on some safe haven and enjoying their life.

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It's good that they have been caught and will be imprisoned for manipulating the games. I think having direct contact with teams and betting on them would result in bad things. I think they would reach the point where they know that they will be caught.

It might have been easy for them if they had the right connections, and people who are greedy will also be influenced.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 14, 2024, 09:03:50 AM

Quote from: Woodie on September 14, 2024, 07:02:49 AM

The Chinese don't play around when it comes to sentencing wrongdoers 🥵

What's what make China great, they're harsh and objective with the punishment they gave. Harsh punishment is better than unfair punishment.

Their brutal judgement may also be the reason Son accepted he did it, because in an interview his response showed some signs of innocence. And he also mentioned being forced to accept the allegation, or his wife will go into detention. Who do we believe?

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"I never took part in match-fixing," Son told a news conference. "The only evidence they have is my false confession made under coercion," he added, breaking down in tears.
"I was threatened that if I didn't accept the charges, my wife would be arrested and investigated, too."

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In this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyheP28eeuM he testified that the judge promised him freedom, in 3 days, if he agrees to the allegation of receiving $28,120, and he'll also continue his career. We can look into the story from both sides. Is it admissible for a player to risk his career because of 28k dollars? Also, for the profits involved, wouldn't he get a bigger offer above what he allegedly got? Overall, why would he cry for nothing? Something may have been concealed behind the scene.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

apart from the lifetime ban, there should also be a hefty fine(or maybe more) because match-fixing can ruin the reputation of an entire league, club, team, etc... players need to realize that getting caught match-fixing is more than just not being able to play the sport on any league.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 06:38:11 AM

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some ~~casinos~~ bookies?

maybe but I doubt it. What I do think is that they work for an organization that specialises in match-fixing. if I remember correctly there was a thread posted here in the past talking about a large match-fixing syndicate making fixed games on cricket(I can't remember the name of the thread).

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Quote from: shield132 on September 14, 2024, 08:38:28 AM

I believe that there isn't corruption in major leagues like La Liga, Premier League, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1. World Cup, Copa America, EURO, Champions League and similar ones are definitely out of question. I can't imagine why will any club accept match-fixing because they earn money by winning leagues and they also get a higher reputation, awareness, fanbase, fame and status. Everyone wants to join Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and other top clubs because of these reasons.

You think so? the match Barcelona vs Chelsea in 2009 wasn't a corruption? I don't find any single correct or appropriate explanation to say there was no corruption, except you're a Barcelona's fans which make you can't judge objectively.

Even the organization itself i.e. FIFA, many people think this organization is full of corruption too.

Quote from: Woodie on September 14, 2024, 07:02:49 AM

The Chinese don't play around when it comes to sentencing wrongdoers 🥵

What's what make China great, they're harsh and objective with the punishment they gave. Harsh punishment is better than unfair punishment.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 14, 2024, 08:48:59 AM

Quote from: Woodie on September 14, 2024, 07:02:49 AM

this is a harsh punishment to be honest, why not go for a hefty fine and a couple of years behind bars so that when they serve they can be the ambassadors to dicourage their fellow professional footballers from this bad business practice that seems to be growing all around the world...

Even this kind of punishment you speak of is also harsh but I really can not defend players that involves themselves in such kind of corrupt act, they actually deserve what ever punishment they receive. Banning them or dismissal from playing for life is actually a good punishment that others can learn from too.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 14, 2024, 08:29:25 AM

I would rather see long term prison sentences given to these criminals. They're not only cheating the game, but they are cheating the bettors out of a ton of money. What if someone lost a huge bet and took their life over it? Would you blame the cheaters? Would you tell people they shouldn't be gambling?

Same opinion as that of @Woodie, it was exactly the same thought that ran through my head too but I didn't want to sound too harsh. They are supposed to be banned from playing and also sentence to prison because they must have caused some gamblers to lose a huge sum of money.

Imagine if law enforcement could track the amount of money they robbed from people. Anything over $1 million stolen results in death by firing squad or something crazy. Really no reason tax payers of any country should have to pay to house these fucktards for the next xxx years. Maximum punishment might really put an end to the corruption.

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Quote from: Text on September 14, 2024, 07:30:38 AM

In my opinion, the punishment should go beyond just a lifetime ban. Corruption in sports affects millions of fans and bettors worldwide who trust the outcomes to be fair. Players who take part in these activities should face criminal charges as well, depending on the severity of their involvement.

As for the connection with casinos, it’s quite possible that some of these players work with gambling establishments or criminal networks behind the scenes. It’s not just an individual decision, it often involves organized groups that profit from rigged outcomes. The whole system, from players to gambling institutions, should be investigated and held accountable to protect the integrity of the game.

I agree, a lifetime ban on gambling is such a petty punishment for who knows how much money they've acquired through match fixing. These people were professionals and were experts in what they're doing, it's certainly in cooperation with gambling institutions. Shouldn't they be sentenced to at least a few years in prison, and confiscating their money? This sentence is a slap on the wrist. On the other hand, I'm not sure how the ban is going to be implemented, although China is pretty strict regarding privacy and monitoring its citizens, perhaps they could bypass it with a VPN or proxy.

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Quote from: Woodie on September 14, 2024, 07:02:49 AM

this is a harsh punishment to be honest, why not go for a hefty fine and a couple of years behind bars so that when they serve they can be the ambassadors to dicourage their fellow professional footballers from this bad business practice that seems to be growing all around the world...

Even this kind of punishment you speak of is also harsh but I really can not defend players that involves themselves in such kind of corrupt act, they actually deserve what ever punishment they receive. Banning them or dismissal from playing for life is actually a good punishment that others can learn from too.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 14, 2024, 08:29:25 AM

I would rather see long term prison sentences given to these criminals. They're not only cheating the game, but they are cheating the bettors out of a ton of money. What if someone lost a huge bet and took their life over it? Would you blame the cheaters? Would you tell people they shouldn't be gambling?

Same opinion as that of @Woodie, it was exactly the same thought that ran through my head too but I didn't want to sound too harsh. They are supposed to be banned from playing and also sentence to prison because they must have caused some gamblers to lose a huge sum of money.

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Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some casinos bookies should be banned the answer is yes but really how you can ban people from gambling

You might can banned one people from one casino but he can still register in other sites and can still play right?
Or he can easily use other people account

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