Chips.gg - Scammed around ~1500 USDT

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Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 01:04:51 PM

What term i breached?

Well, to be completely fair, I checked their ToS and yes, there is no explicit clause about value betting or other betting tech, other than this,

Nonetheless, I don't think other casino also mentioned it.

As stated before, those techniques are rather controversial. But if you've been limited by many casinos for utilizing such technique, it should give you a picture of what may and may not. Your call though, to continue the practice in the future, they're your accounts, after all.

Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 01:04:51 PM

beating the casino? lmao i'm still using casinos that use betby without any problem, and like always, i beat them and i win. (example: https://imgur.com/a/S1gPLpm)

Thank you, might be helpful for future reference.

Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 01:04:51 PM

You obviously have 0 knowledge on sportsbetting.

I will be having fun within the next few months when the complaints start pilling up.

And I assume I will be busy trying to get to the bottom of each of them. For the time being though, what's the status of this case? With their rep explaining as above? Resolved?

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Quote from: holydarkness on November 23, 2024, 12:30:37 PM

Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 09:20:52 AM

Quote from: chipsgg on November 23, 2024, 09:03:55 AM

Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 02:50:05 AM

Quote from: chipsgg on November 22, 2024, 04:46:10 PM

1. The OP account was dormant from any activity for a period of 10 months, previously only placing a handful of bets.
2. The OP was engaging in betting patterns which has gotten them banned / limited on various other casinos.
3. The OP failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process.

Thanks,
Chips

1. So what? chips still stole more deposits than I have made withdrawals, does it matter when?
2. 95% of the betby casinos limit me BUT let me withdraw my money afterwards.
3. Want to clarify the "failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process. "? I made the KYC right away without any problems

And I don't do arbitrage betting, that's a ridiculous slow way to make money, I just find value and go against it.

You have stole 1500 USDT for me and this is the reasons you find? Tell me one casino who doesn't limit sharp bettors besides pinnacle.

Hello OP,

You have gotten more than what you have deposited.

Our policies are in alignment with industry standards and processes. As you said yourself, you get limited by other casinos for this behavior. What makes you think we will tolerate it?

You are welcome to disagree with our judgement, however we stand firm in our decision.

Thanks,
Chips

Can you please stop running from my questions and please provide.

1. Proof where i breached the terms.
2. Where do i failed in the KYC procedure.

And like i said i usually get limited NOT straight out scammed, anyway if this how you proceed the complaints will start stocking up and we will see whos the scammers by the end of the day, and as per usual, it's not me.

As I brushed on my previous post, the fact that you're limited by providers through other casinos should explain enough, and it should answer your question of breached term. And yes, it's nothing new, it's [arguably] not a loophole, but it's debatably a "mistake", the forum ourselves has endless debate whether value betting should or should not be considered as a prohibited technique. However, [this is the most important] it is something that casinos and providers frowned upon. You being limited throughout casinos who share same providers should spell it clear enough. Their home, their rules.

Are the explanation clear enough and clarify your case here?

What term i breached? beating the casino? lmao i'm still using casinos that use betby without any problem, and like always, i beat them and i win. (example: https://imgur.com/a/S1gPLpm)

You obviously have 0 knowledge on sportsbetting.

I will be having fun within the next few months when the complaints start pilling up.

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Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 09:20:52 AM

Quote from: chipsgg on November 23, 2024, 09:03:55 AM

Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 02:50:05 AM

Quote from: chipsgg on November 22, 2024, 04:46:10 PM

1. The OP account was dormant from any activity for a period of 10 months, previously only placing a handful of bets.
2. The OP was engaging in betting patterns which has gotten them banned / limited on various other casinos.
3. The OP failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process.

Thanks,
Chips

1. So what? chips still stole more deposits than I have made withdrawals, does it matter when?
2. 95% of the betby casinos limit me BUT let me withdraw my money afterwards.
3. Want to clarify the "failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process. "? I made the KYC right away without any problems

And I don't do arbitrage betting, that's a ridiculous slow way to make money, I just find value and go against it.

You have stole 1500 USDT for me and this is the reasons you find? Tell me one casino who doesn't limit sharp bettors besides pinnacle.

Hello OP,

You have gotten more than what you have deposited.

Our policies are in alignment with industry standards and processes. As you said yourself, you get limited by other casinos for this behavior. What makes you think we will tolerate it?

You are welcome to disagree with our judgement, however we stand firm in our decision.

Thanks,
Chips

Can you please stop running from my questions and please provide.

1. Proof where i breached the terms.
2. Where do i failed in the KYC procedure.

And like i said i usually get limited NOT straight out scammed, anyway if this how you proceed the complaints will start stocking up and we will see whos the scammers by the end of the day, and as per usual, it's not me.

As I brushed on my previous post, the fact that you're limited by providers through other casinos should explain enough, and it should answer your question of breached term. And yes, it's nothing new, it's [arguably] not a loophole, but it's debatably a "mistake", the forum ourselves has endless debate whether value betting should or should not be considered as a prohibited technique. However, [this is the most important] it is something that casinos and providers frowned upon. You being limited throughout casinos who share same providers should spell it clear enough. Their home, their rules.

Are the explanation clear enough and clarify your case here?

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Quote from: Beparanf on November 23, 2024, 09:27:50 AM

Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 09:20:52 AM

And like i said i usually get limited NOT straight out scammed, anyway if this how you proceed the complaints will start stocking up and we will see whos the scammers by the end of the day, and as per usual, it's not me.

Being limited means your gambling method is not tolerable with casino standards. You already get more than what you deposit and I’m sure you are aware on the danger for doing your method since other casino limit you for doing the same.

The community will not in favor to your case since clearly your shows a sign that it’s not a normal way of gambling rather it involves value bets that taking advantage on bookie mistake/loophole on the odds.

My method is finding value and winning bets, every casino limits their winners, except pinnacle, and stays with the ones who lose, it's nothing new, it's not a "loophole" or a "mistake".

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Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 09:20:52 AM

And like i said i usually get limited NOT straight out scammed, anyway if this how you proceed the complaints will start stocking up and we will see whos the scammers by the end of the day, and as per usual, it's not me.

Being limited means your gambling method is not tolerable with casino standards. You already get more than what you deposit and I’m sure you are aware on the danger for doing your method since other casino limit you for doing the same.

The community will not in favor to your case since clearly your shows a sign that it’s not a normal way of gambling rather it involves value bets that taking advantage on bookie mistake/loophole on the odds.

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Quote from: chipsgg on November 23, 2024, 09:03:55 AM

Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 02:50:05 AM

Quote from: chipsgg on November 22, 2024, 04:46:10 PM

1. The OP account was dormant from any activity for a period of 10 months, previously only placing a handful of bets.
2. The OP was engaging in betting patterns which has gotten them banned / limited on various other casinos.
3. The OP failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process.

Thanks,
Chips

1. So what? chips still stole more deposits than I have made withdrawals, does it matter when?
2. 95% of the betby casinos limit me BUT let me withdraw my money afterwards.
3. Want to clarify the "failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process. "? I made the KYC right away without any problems

And I don't do arbitrage betting, that's a ridiculous slow way to make money, I just find value and go against it.

You have stole 1500 USDT for me and this is the reasons you find? Tell me one casino who doesn't limit sharp bettors besides pinnacle.

Hello OP,

You have gotten more than what you have deposited.

Our policies are in alignment with industry standards and processes. As you said yourself, you get limited by other casinos for this behavior. What makes you think we will tolerate it?

You are welcome to disagree with our judgement, however we stand firm in our decision.

Thanks,
Chips

Can you please stop running from my questions and please provide.

1. Proof where i breached the terms.
2. Where do i failed in the KYC procedure.

And like i said i usually get limited NOT straight out scammed, anyway if this how you proceed the complaints will start stocking up and we will see whos the scammers by the end of the day, and as per usual, it's not me.

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Quote from: bachezy on November 23, 2024, 02:50:05 AM

Quote from: chipsgg on November 22, 2024, 04:46:10 PM

1. The OP account was dormant from any activity for a period of 10 months, previously only placing a handful of bets.
2. The OP was engaging in betting patterns which has gotten them banned / limited on various other casinos.
3. The OP failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process.

Thanks,
Chips

1. So what? chips still stole more deposits than I have made withdrawals, does it matter when?
2. 95% of the betby casinos limit me BUT let me withdraw my money afterwards.
3. Want to clarify the "failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process. "? I made the KYC right away without any problems

And I don't do arbitrage betting, that's a ridiculous slow way to make money, I just find value and go against it.

You have stole 1500 USDT for me and this is the reasons you find? Tell me one casino who doesn't limit sharp bettors besides pinnacle.

Hello OP,

You have gotten more than what you have deposited.

Our policies are in alignment with industry standards and processes. As you said yourself, you get limited by other casinos for this behavior. What makes you think we will tolerate it?

You are welcome to disagree with our judgement, however we stand firm in our decision.

Thanks,
Chips

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Quote from: chipsgg on November 22, 2024, 04:46:10 PM

1. The OP account was dormant from any activity for a period of 10 months, previously only placing a handful of bets.
2. The OP was engaging in betting patterns which has gotten them banned / limited on various other casinos.
3. The OP failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process.

Thanks,
Chips

1. So what? chips still stole more deposits than I have made withdrawals, does it matter when?
2. 95% of the betby casinos limit me BUT let me withdraw my money afterwards.
3. Want to clarify the "failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process. "? I made the KYC right away without any problems

And I don't do arbitrage betting, that's a ridiculous slow way to make money, I just find value and go against it.

You have stole 1500 USDT for me and this is the reasons you find? Tell me one casino who doesn't limit sharp bettors besides pinnacle.

chipsgg

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Quote from: bachezy on November 20, 2024, 12:32:15 PM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 20, 2024, 12:15:49 PM

All the sportsbook with Betby odds provider is identical. You should have avoided Chips.gg if your account was limited on a different sportsbook where the odds provider was same. It is pretty clear that the decision has come from the odds provider to block your account. And Chips.gg team have decided to withhold all your funds, including the deposit (according to terms 13.1 from 'PM/Chat logs'). They should have allowed you to withdraw your deposited funds.

I made a withdrawal for 500 USDT 3 days ago, I'm still 100% I've made more deposits than withdrawals so they should refund my deposits if they have go by their terms.
As for the sportsbook thing, 80% of the casinos use Betby nowadays and only a little percentage of those have shady practices. I still have activate Betby accounts as of now.

Hello,

Contrary to what the OP has claimed, the OP has withdrawn the original deposit along with profits from a portion of his betting activity.

The OP deposited a total $300 initially on 17/11/2024 and withdrew a total of $500 on 19/11/2024, netting a profit of ~$200.

The OP stated his behavior has gotten him limited on other platforms as with chips and he chooses to continue this pattern. This shows chips is in alignment with other casino operators policies regarding this betting behavior.

Quote from: bachezy on November 20, 2024, 10:29:38 AM

Quote from: Eternad on November 20, 2024, 10:20:42 AM

Typically casino will allow withdrawal of your deposit before they ban your account. Seems like you commit violation of their ToS which is related to sportsbook. Probably you are involved with arbitrage bet and other techniques which the casino deemed not allowed to use in the casino.

Chips.gg is an established casino and well known in the forum. I doubt that they will do a selective scam by using fake accusations of ToS violation just to hold your balance.

Hello,

I don't do "arbitrage betting" but similar casinos using the same sportsbook provider (betby) are also throwing accusations and banning/reducing my stake me for "value betting" which is a ridiculous accusation, basically implying if I beat their sportsbook I'm breaking ToS.

Relevant sources can be found here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63456602
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/arbitrage-betting-surebets-5437136
https://sumsub.com/blog/arbitrage-gambling/
https://www.idenfy.com/blog/arbitrage-sports-betting/
https://readwrite.com/gambling/guides/arbitrage-betting/

What behaviors contributed to this outcome?

1. The OP account was dormant from any activity for a period of 10 months, previously only placing a handful of bets.
2. The OP was engaging in betting patterns which has gotten them banned / limited on various other casinos.
3. The OP failed numerous compliance checks during the KYC process.

Thanks,
Chips

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Quote from: bachezy on November 21, 2024, 10:37:02 AM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 21, 2024, 09:08:12 AM

Are you able to place bet on any Betby sportsbook without having any restrictions? Sooner or later, you will face issues on each platform where the odds provider is Betby. Some of them will act like Chips.gg with you.

Most of them limit my stake to 0 and i go onto the next casino, banning me for "value betting" is a ridiculous excuse

Aaanddd... that's our answer. Don't get me wrong, I am not a fans of chips and I am not defending them, but what you wrote above kinda explain and close this case.

When you got limited by a provider, they marked your account through several "fingerprints", and when you opened an account in other casino to "bypass" the limitation imposed by and on the other casino, that limitation actually followed you. The provider will quickly notice that it's you, in different casino, and requested your account on that new casino to be banned too.

Yes, banning for value betting is controversial as many gamblers [who also frequently oversee this board] think it should be a legit strategy. But from time to time we can safely infer that providers explicitly prohibit this. Sad, but that's reality.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 21, 2024, 09:08:12 AM

Are you able to place bet on any Betby sportsbook without having any restrictions? Sooner or later, you will face issues on each platform where the odds provider is Betby. Some of them will act like Chips.gg with you.

Most of them limit my stake to 0 and i go onto the next casino, banning me for "value betting" is a ridiculous excuse

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Quote from: bachezy on November 20, 2024, 01:00:51 PM

I'm allowed to gamble in this specific casino on my country.
About the reason for the ban I'm also waiting for proof regarding the "sportsbook abuse"

You already mention above that other casino using same odds provider to Chips.gg restricting/lowering your max bet due to accusation of doing value bets which is written on casino ToS as forbidden to do or with some casino they usually have a statement that they have the right to restrict user without further explanation.

I think you already get the answer here. Your account was flagged by odds provider for abused due to the same strategy you are using from different casino.

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Quote from: bachezy on November 20, 2024, 12:32:15 PM

I made a withdrawal for 500 USDT 3 days ago, I'm still 100% I've made more deposits than withdrawals so they should refund my deposits if they have go by their terms.

They will only refund the amount of your last deposit. According to the "Proof of Payment" your last deposit was 300 USDT. If you have already made 500 USDT withdrawal after this deposit, then you shouldn't expect anything more. Usually, betting site doesn't refund the old deposits losses.

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As for the sportsbook thing, 80% of the casinos use Betby nowadays and only a little percentage of those have shady practices. I still have activate Betby accounts as of now.

Are you able to place bet on any Betby sportsbook without having any restrictions? Sooner or later, you will face issues on each platform where the odds provider is Betby. Some of them will act like Chips.gg with you.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 20, 2024, 12:39:00 PM

The scenario doesn't look complete, why would a casino ban users without any explanation?

Did you check, the country you're residing isn't having any restrictions for Gambling in general?

The casino has active account so let's wait for their response to have the other side of this story but casino should state whatever the reason for banning account if the account is in use for a while and suddenly got banned.

I'm allowed to gamble in this specific casino on my country.
About the reason for the ban I'm also waiting for proof regarding the "sportsbook abuse"

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The scenario doesn't look complete, why would a casino ban users without any explanation?

Did you check, the country you're residing isn't having any restrictions for Gambling in general?

The casino has active account so let's wait for their response to have the other side of this story but casino should state whatever the reason for banning account if the account is in use for a while and suddenly got banned.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 20, 2024, 12:15:49 PM

All the sportsbook with Betby odds provider is identical. You should have avoided Chips.gg if your account was limited on a different sportsbook where the odds provider was same. It is pretty clear that the decision has come from the odds provider to block your account. And Chips.gg team have decided to withhold all your funds, including the deposit (according to terms 13.1 from 'PM/Chat logs'). They should have allowed you to withdraw your deposited funds.

I made a withdrawal for 500 USDT 3 days ago, I'm still 100% I've made more deposits than withdrawals so they should refund my deposits if they have go by their terms.
As for the sportsbook thing, 80% of the casinos use Betby nowadays and only a little percentage of those have shady practices. I still have activate Betby accounts as of now.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on November 20, 2024, 12:15:38 PM

Quote from: bachezy on November 20, 2024, 10:53:38 AM

Yes I had many problems with other casinos here before, turns out most of them were scammers and got red flag afterwards (ex: coinplay, ole777, 1xbit).

As of Betby (the provider) flagging me, I find quite hard since I still have active accounts on other sites, but I don't doubt it tbh.

I appreciate your help

Have you been able to make withdrawals from those other active accounts as well? The only way of finding out if the provider flagged you if you win and attempt to withdraw.
But you deserve an explanation from them on which terms of services exactly you breached. Insist on them telling whether it was something to do with multi accounting, betting patterns, VPN usage etc.

Yes with active withdrawals being done.

I've contact them via email regarding the specifics for the ban, I'm waiting for the reason

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Quote from: bachezy on November 20, 2024, 10:29:38 AM

I don't do "arbitrage betting" but similar casinos using the same sportsbook provider (betby) are also throwing accusations and banning/reducing my stake me for "value betting" which is a ridiculous accusation, basically implying if I beat their sportsbook I'm breaking ToS.

All the sportsbook with Betby odds provider is identical. You should have avoided Chips.gg if your account was limited on a different sportsbook where the odds provider was same. It is pretty clear that the decision has come from the odds provider to block your account. And Chips.gg team have decided to withhold all your funds, including the deposit (according to terms 13.1 from 'PM/Chat logs'). They should have allowed you to withdraw your deposited funds.

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Quote from: bachezy on November 20, 2024, 10:53:38 AM

Yes I had many problems with other casinos here before, turns out most of them were scammers and got red flag afterwards (ex: coinplay, ole777, 1xbit).

As of Betby (the provider) flagging me, I find quite hard since I still have active accounts on other sites, but I don't doubt it tbh.

I appreciate your help

Have you been able to make withdrawals from those other active accounts as well? The only way of finding out if the provider flagged you if you win and attempt to withdraw.
But you deserve an explanation from them on which terms of services exactly you breached. Insist on them telling whether it was something to do with multi accounting, betting patterns, VPN usage etc.

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Quote from: holydarkness on November 20, 2024, 10:47:36 AM

Did they provide any further explanation of the exact point of their ToS you violated and/or the reason behind the ban other than those shown on the screenshot that they have the right to ban you wen they detect a violation?

IIRC you have other cases with other casinos before, though I'll need a refresher course on what were they about. However, if you're limited amd/or has a previous issue with the provider that's also on chips, like you mentioned above, there is a big chance it was the provider who flagged you and resulted in your account ban.

I'll try to reach chip's rep, see if they can explain the point on their ToS that you breached and lead us to this situation.

Hey,

The info I posted in the screenshot is all the info I got.

Yes I had many problems with other casinos here before, turns out most of them were scammers and got red flag afterwards (ex: coinplay, ole777, 1xbit).

As of Betby (the provider) flagging me, I find quite hard since I still have active accounts on other sites, but I don't doubt it tbh.

I appreciate your help

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