Topic: Christianity is Poison - page 23. (Read 52639 times)
Despite the fact that I was baptized as a child, that's why I did not choose my faith, but I am very pleased. I am glad that I am not worried about this peasant at the same time. I'm not a fan of faith, but I am a peasant.
I disagree. But I still lurvs you...
Ignorance is bliss... literally...
It's a proven fact that stupid people are happier
It's a proven fact that religious people have lower IQ
Idiots are happy believing in fairy tales... intelligent people, not so much
Charles de Gaulle was quoted as saying, 'Happy people are idiots'
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
I wouldn't... it's silly, and nonsense claiming people live 500-1000 years... nonsense
There is zero point in a genealogy beyond trying to provide evidence that such people existed... which a genealogy can't do anyway...
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
No... it's the words of someone who doesn't understand where the water in rivers comes from (verse 7)
Life is not meaningless, it's an evolution... like all things, society evolves a little at a time...
"What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun?" (verse 3)
Everything! He gets to eat, have shelter, discuss religion on the internet with random strangers
"there is nothing new under the sun" (verse 9)
wtf? New things are invented every day! Was this guy born in the bronze age or something?
I suppose you could call it poetic because its in the form of poetry, but it's just ignorance when you really look at the meaning of the words
There is nothing profound or moving in this poetry... it's quite lacking
I hope that isn't your best example
I disagree. But I still lurvs you.
Again, we are arguing opinion. This will go nowhere. And, you have alot of hostile tone bleeding through, it's difficult to read your intent. I haven't really attacked atheism like you have attacked Christianity, because I don't really gave any spare fucks to give out. But if I did, we would simply be comparing and contrasting two religions with opinions (atheism and christianity). We might as well be bragging about our favorite team.
But yeah, man, I fucking love those words. So sorry, if that didn't do it for you,.
Thanks for your time
that wasn't productive, but it did offer useful insight. And on a meta thought, the religion threads have been hot tonight, this may have been productive after all. We got people reading and thinking, high five.
If that is the style of fictional writing you like..... "power to you".
Me, I prefer "Lord of the Rings".
It has a way better story line.
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
I wouldn't... it's silly, and nonsense claiming people live 500-1000 years... nonsense
There is zero point in a genealogy beyond trying to provide evidence that such people existed... which a genealogy can't do anyway...
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
No... it's the words of someone who doesn't understand where the water in rivers comes from (verse 7)
Life is not meaningless, it's an evolution... like all things, society evolves a little at a time...
"What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun?" (verse 3)
Everything! He gets to eat, have shelter, discuss religion on the internet with random strangers
"there is nothing new under the sun" (verse 9)
wtf? New things are invented every day! Was this guy born in the bronze age or something?
I suppose you could call it poetic because its in the form of poetry, but it's just ignorance when you really look at the meaning of the words
There is nothing profound or moving in this poetry... it's quite lacking
I hope that isn't your best example
I disagree. But I still lurvs you.
Again, we are arguing opinion. This will go nowhere. And, you have alot of hostile tone bleeding through, it's difficult to read your intent. I haven't really attacked atheism like you have attacked Christianity, because I don't really gave any spare fucks to give out. But if I did, we would simply be comparing and contrasting two religions with opinions (atheism and christianity). We might as well be bragging about our favorite team.
But yeah, man, I fucking love those words. So sorry, if that didn't do it for you,.
Thanks for your time
that wasn't productive, but it did offer useful insight. And on a meta thought, the religion threads have been hot tonight, this may have been productive after all. We got people reading and thinking, high five.
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
I wouldn't... it's silly, and nonsense claiming people live 500-1000 years... nonsense
There is zero point in a genealogy beyond trying to provide evidence that such people existed... which a genealogy can't do anyway...
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
No... it's the words of someone who doesn't understand where the water in rivers comes from (verse 7)
Life is not meaningless, it's an evolution... like all things, society evolves a little at a time...
"What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun?" (verse 3)
Everything! He gets to eat, have shelter, discuss religion on the internet with random strangers
"there is nothing new under the sun" (verse 9)
wtf? New things are invented every day! Was this guy born in the bronze age or something?
I suppose you could call it poetic because its in the form of poetry, but it's just ignorance when you really look at the meaning of the words
There is nothing profound or moving in this poetry... it's quite lacking
I hope that isn't your best example
No, Moloch, I was trying to respond to you in a civil fashion, and explain my motivations. Identifying motivations is key to solving problems involving human actors, I was trying to be efficient. My apologies if it came off wrong.
Yes, I dispute your claim that Leviticus is full of laughably silly laws, to use your parlance in summation. The following few sentences are my argument as evidence. The laws in question were a specific covenant with a specific set of God's followers, and have additional historical context. In my opinion (which doesn't really matter) they served multiple purposes: they spelled out rules for hygiene at a time when people that disease was a magical function, they set up rules for the religious caste and property ownership/ community duties (the Levite's and the complicated relationship with the rest of the tribes, being the dedicated priestly tribe), and rules on sexual congress at a time when sister fucking was a meh thing. The rules are blunt, admittedly, but for a reason: they are being dictated to a simpler people, and broadly enough to stand the test of future interpretation. I don't get all of them, to be sure; I have no beef with shellfish (see what I did there?) But just because I don't understand something doesn't invalidate it.
Which leads to my next argument (notice I'm not citing verse, you seem aware of the Book, there is no need). Just because there is a singular undesirable part of a thing, does not mean that the whole is invalidated. Especially with a concept such as elegance, which is purely subjective in the first place. Hell, this whole convo is pretty meaningless given we are arguing opinion; I was surprised you engaged me in this manner, given that I was offering such subjective content initially in our discussion (my opinion of the mop video). Anywho, I'll give one of my favorite books (well, series of books), the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. It's a lot, but suffice it to say there is every form of fuckery known to man (rape, murder, witchcraft, pedophilia, shit, if it's bad, it happened). But, it's part of the story; it helps define the experience through contrast, or simply illustrates the starkness of the situation.
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
And my favorite passage at the moment (it changes, but I always come back to this because it is so universal) is this, an example of the elegance I was talking about (at least in my opinion, which isn't the same as your obviously). We will never agree on your argument, we are giving opinions and not facts. So, fittingly:
Ecclesiastes 1
Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
Yes, I dispute your claim that Leviticus is full of laughably silly laws, to use your parlance in summation. The following few sentences are my argument as evidence. The laws in question were a specific covenant with a specific set of God's followers, and have additional historical context. In my opinion (which doesn't really matter) they served multiple purposes: they spelled out rules for hygiene at a time when people that disease was a magical function, they set up rules for the religious caste and property ownership/ community duties (the Levite's and the complicated relationship with the rest of the tribes, being the dedicated priestly tribe), and rules on sexual congress at a time when sister fucking was a meh thing. The rules are blunt, admittedly, but for a reason: they are being dictated to a simpler people, and broadly enough to stand the test of future interpretation. I don't get all of them, to be sure; I have no beef with shellfish (see what I did there?) But just because I don't understand something doesn't invalidate it.
Which leads to my next argument (notice I'm not citing verse, you seem aware of the Book, there is no need). Just because there is a singular undesirable part of a thing, does not mean that the whole is invalidated. Especially with a concept such as elegance, which is purely subjective in the first place. Hell, this whole convo is pretty meaningless given we are arguing opinion; I was surprised you engaged me in this manner, given that I was offering such subjective content initially in our discussion (my opinion of the mop video). Anywho, I'll give one of my favorite books (well, series of books), the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. It's a lot, but suffice it to say there is every form of fuckery known to man (rape, murder, witchcraft, pedophilia, shit, if it's bad, it happened). But, it's part of the story; it helps define the experience through contrast, or simply illustrates the starkness of the situation.
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
And my favorite passage at the moment (it changes, but I always come back to this because it is so universal) is this, an example of the elegance I was talking about (at least in my opinion, which isn't the same as your obviously). We will never agree on your argument, we are giving opinions and not facts. So, fittingly:
Ecclesiastes 1
Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
The Bible is lying to you. In religion each pursues his goal. The clergy live at the expense of deceived their people, and people are willing to be deceived but would not take responsibility for decisions. How they want to do what they are told.
I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.
Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)
The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)
The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...
I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction
Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...
Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?
...
It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.
So, where do we disagree?
So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.
Did you just completely ignore my entire post?
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that the bible is a elegantly written, "the bees knees as far as writing goes"?
It seems like you only care about your post count, and not having an actual discussion, which requires reading, answering questions, posting facts and evidence to back up a claim, etc
If you are talking about getting rid of all the evil on earth, that will happen for you when you die. Nobody talks about evil after they are dead.
The Bible simply explains about the New Heavens and the New Earth, and the permanent destruction of this one, so that all evil will be destroyed, and the good will remain in the new universe.
Latch onto the knowledge in the Bible so that you can live with the good rather than be destroyed with the evil.
I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.
Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)
The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)
The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...
I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction
Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...
Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?
...
It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.
So, where do we disagree?
So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.
Did you just completely ignore my entire post?
Do you dispute my claim that an elegant book would not include pages full of laughably silly laws where the penalty is death (Leviticus 18-22), and pages of nothing but names (genealogy)? That alone contradicts the elegance claim, doesn't it?
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that the bible is a elegantly written, "the bees knees as far as writing goes"? Can you provide any example of elegant writing in the bible? Anything at all?
Quote from: Genesis 11
This is the account of Shem’s family line.
Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad. And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah. And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.
After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.
Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad. And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah. And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.
After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.
How is this elegant, poetic, or anything other than bullshit?
It seems like you only care about your post count, and not having an actual discussion, which requires reading, answering questions, posting facts and evidence to back up a claim, etc
....
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you have passages like these:
OLD TESTAMENT:
Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden
NEW TESTAMENT (written thousands of years after the OLD testament):
Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children
Psalm 137:9 - killing babies
How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me. It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people. If you enjoyed it, you are not well. You might be a psychopath. But then again you already knew that.
What in the world backward place do you live at? Go to any popular bookstore. Look on Amazon. People devour this kind of stuff.
When the Bible talks about it, the Bible is talking about ways to make things more bearable for people, and even righteous. Quit taking things out of context in the Bible.
I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.
Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)
The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)
The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...
I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction
Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...
Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?
What claims have I made? Ive stated that I think the Bible is the bees knees, as far as writing goes, as well as the Koran. Ive also stated that I think Jesus was a badass speaker. And that most Christians don't diddy bip each other with mops during service. I'm not really try to sell you anything, anyone anything, for that matter. We haven't really discussed your particular deal with Christianity, I don't know your beef.. I would enjoy the conversation, I like to test my faith and reaffirm it. It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.
So, let's start an actual discussion about Christianity,. I agree with your views on organized religion. The sects, and not the message, are the problem in my book. People go off by themselves and interpret the book in novel ways, then come back to the fold with unfamiliar ideas that the whole rejects. At the worst, these sects turn into cults, social societies that reflect a singular person ideas, rather than the message. But the message itself, in my opinion, is beyond reproach. Yes, there is shittyness in the Bible; it reflects a harder time when Gods touch was more evident. We werent as smart, the symbols were alot bokder, so to speak, to drive the point home. It's not cute, the Old Testament reads like the Game of Thrones. Mofos dying left and right the worst ways. But the point is to learn from their adversity; the tales were recorded to instill ideas on future generations. God's wrath is a bitch, ask Old Testament Jews. But his love is infinite; and the teachings of Jesus reflect this, a softer tone with biting rhetoric that teaches moral indignation and divine wrath , but a civil, pacifist approach to conflict resolution. That's what the Big Guy intended, but sadly, the message got list, so to speak, in modern society.
So, where do we disagree? I don't have time to read this whole thread, bit I speed read, so if you want me to familiarize myself with your previously stated positions, inform me, and allow me some time to research. I love a good synthetic conversation, in my opinion, a good argument among friends about something stimulating is God's gift. Floats my boat
So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.
I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.
Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)
The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)
The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...
I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction
Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...
Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?
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I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you have passages like these:
OLD TESTAMENT:
Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden
How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me. It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people. If you enjoyed it, you are not well. You might be a psychopath. But then again you already knew that.
I do not tend to shy away from the realities of this existence. Cannibalism, sacrifice, slavery, they are features of my reality, unfortunately. I live on planet Earth, it's quite fucked here.
It's easier for me because I do not share your prejudices. I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written. Don't agree with the Koran, but the symbols, and the fact that it rhymes in an odd way, is intriguing to me. But the Bible, tour de force.
I might not be well.
I may need counseling
You sound bitter, man. Not resistant, but bitter. Why do you hate Christianity so much? What happened to you, if you will share? Do you want to debate with us, or yell at us? I'm being genuine, I'm not trying to convert you or anything, but I would like to have genuine discourse.
This is a totally bullshit talking. How you can say that religion is poison.?. What's your logical backup against that sort of Vogue topic. Have you any logic.?.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.
Did you bother to read a single post in this thread before replying with such nonsense?
If you could fucking read, you would see the logic of 645 posts...
You are like that idiot kid in class who asks the same question the teacher JUST answered!
This is a totally bullshit talking. How you can say that religion is poison.?. What's your logical backup against that sort of Vogue topic. Have you any logic.?.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.
Are you aware what the Quran says about those that don't follow Allah?
Are you aware that the Koran doesn't have nearly the strength that the Bible has? The strength of the Koran is in Stockholm Syndrome, even though it isn't called that. Bible fear is in eternal reality. Come out of the fear, and be saved.It all tittle-tattle at the end of the day, not really of any importance.
Are you aware that the Bible doesn't have nearly the strength that the truth has?
The Bible vs Truth is important. Unlike the unimportant Quran vs Bible,
Sober up while you still have the chance.
You totally misunderstand. The Bible is truth. The thing that is NOT truth is often the misinterpretation that people place on it.
The fact that you are against the Bible and truth is self-evident. Therefore you are falsehood.
You totally misunderstand. The Quran is truth. The thing that is NOT truth is often the misinterpretation that people place on it.
The fact that you are against the Quran and truth is self-evident. Therefore you are falsehood.
*See how silly you sound.*
The Koran and the Bible are books written by people for the purpose of a certain benefit for them, so there can not be truth in them.
It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you passages like these:
OLD TESTAMENT:
Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden
NEW TESTAMENT (written thousands of years after the OLD testament):
Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children
Psalm 137:9 - killing babies
How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me. It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people. If you enjoyed it, you are not well. You might be a psychopath. But then again you already knew that.
There is no doubt that the punishments for crimes in the ancient Israeli society were very harsh. It is important to note that these were the rules given to a small tribe of Hebrew exiles who's were at all times very much in danger of being wiped out by their pagan neighbors. Strict social conformity was likely vital for survival at that time. Later rabbinic interpretations in Judaism and the teachings of Jesus in Christianity would allow for much more compassion and leanancy. Nevertheless asking why the punishments were so harsh is a fair and a hard question. Here is one answer.
Why Are Torah Punishments So Harsh?
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1269629/jewish/Why-Are-Torah-Punishments-So-Harsh.htm
Quote from: Rabbi Yehuda
Question:
I know there is an infinite, loving G‑d. It's just that I can't get my head around a few things in the Torah, like death penalties for gays, wizards, and people who curse their parents. Even if these people have erred, couldn't they just be asked to stop or be punished with exile? That's why it's hard to believe that a G‑d who can make a billion galaxies and stars would want us to kill over different beliefs.
Response:
Before answering your question, it's worthwhile to note just how difficult it actually is to impose the death penalty in Jewish law.
First of all, circumstantial evidence won't cut it. You need two impeccable witnesses who had observed the person transgressing an act punishable by death. Next, these two witnesses had to have warned the person of the capital punishment he could receive for doing the prohibited act, even if he already knew. Finally, the person must have committed the transgression immediately after the warning. Any hesitation and the death penalty is off. The same applies to other forms of punishment.
To meet all of these conditions and incur the death penalty seems more like committing suicide then simply transgressing.
Nevertheless, the questions remains: As long as you are not hurting anyone else, sinning is your own private business. Why should you receive any sort of punishment? To get to the bottom of this, let's fly to the moon.
On December 24, 1968, the crew of Apollo 8 made history as the first astronauts to go into orbit around both sides of the moon and beam back pictures of the lunar landscape. The next day, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, of blessed memory, discussed a lesson to be learned from the event.1
Central Command trains the astronauts how to eat, sleep, dress, and behave in all areas of their life while on board. Deviations, they are told, can mean the waste of billions of dollars. Hearing that such large sums of government money are at stake, the astronauts take every detail of their instructions very seriously.
Moreover, astronaut compliance has nothing to do with how much, if at all, they understand the benefits of the instructions, or the damage caused by not complying. Only the experts on the ground, who spent years researching the issues, know all the specific details. Therefore, the astronauts follow orders without question, even if they don't know the entire reasoning behind everything, because they understand that there are dire consequences for themselves and their team members.
Neither does an astronaut say, "Look, I'm only one of three—which makes me the minority. So if I don't do everything correctly, it's not going to make such a difference." Rather, he knows that any one miscalculation on his part endangers not only himself, but the other two astronauts as well.
Like a flight manual, the Torah guides and instructs us for a safe mission through life. In it, G‑d warns us of the 365 don'ts (the negative commandments) that can derail us and jeopardize our life mission. We don't always know why certain actions are more damaging and dangerous than others, and therefore carry a more severe punishment. But Mission Control does. So we listen.
Moreover, our decisions impact not only ourselves, but our friends, family, community, and the entire world. Actually, the entire idea can be found in a Midrash, composed long before anyone dreamed of space travel:
Moses exclaimed, "One person sins, and You are angry at the entire community?"2
Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai taught a parable for this, of people sitting in a boat. One of them took a drill and began drilling underneath his seat.
"What are you doing?" demanded his friends.
"What concern is it of yours?" he responded. "Am I not drilling under my own seat?"
They said to him: "Yes, but the waters will come up and drown the entire boat."3
The Mishnah states, "Why was the human being created alone? ... To teach you that every person must say: For me the world was created."4 This world, as well as all of the spiritual realms leading to it, was created for each and every person individually. As Maimonides teaches, "A person should always view himself and the entire world as if it is exactly balanced. If he does one mitzvah, he is meritorious, for he has weighed himself and the entire world to the side of merit, and he has caused for himself and for all, salvation and redemption."5
Taking all this into account, let's look back at our situation: We're talking about a very stable, Torah-directed society—evidenced by the fact that there is a Bet Din that has the power to enforce Jewish law. We are talking about a community where people know the difference between right and wrong and only very rarely does someone step out of those boundaries. One person comes along and decides to do something totally outrageous, despite a warning from two witnesses and right in front of them, knowing exactly what he is doing and what will happen to him for doing it. Basically, drilling a hole in a watertight boat for every and any sin to enter.
Truthfully, I doubt that such cases occurred too often. Rabbi Akiva was of the opinion that a court that issues a death sentence once in 70 years is a murderous court. But the message is there: Don't imagine you're an island to yourself. Think twice before sinning. The entire world depends on you.
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I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you passages like these:
OLD TESTAMENT:
Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden
NEW TESTAMENT (written thousands of years after the OLD testament):
Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children
Psalm 137:9 - killing babies
How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me. It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people. If you enjoyed it, you are not well. You might be a psychopath. But then again you already knew that.
Yes, this is a collection of different proverbs invented by man, not God. God would never have given people such instructions.
Could someone please explain to me what is going on in these videos?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/25/what-sort-of-weird-mop-slapping-new-church-ritual-is-this/
Since when do christian pastors bash their congregation in the face with a mop?
These are just crazy heads, they fuck it up for every organization (read: Islamic terrorists, hyper conservative evangelicals, etc). I can't promise you, mop bashery is not part of the Good Book. But, it makes for a great clip. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/25/what-sort-of-weird-mop-slapping-new-church-ritual-is-this/
Since when do christian pastors bash their congregation in the face with a mop?
The most extreme elements of an organization are usually the definition of said organization, to those with little knowledge of the true ideology of the organization. I see it on CNN and Fox, it's a fault of rhetoric.Its not partisan, I mean. Religions are full of rhetoric, same.principles apply. Jesus was the best rhetorician that has walked the Earth, it would be dishonest to deny this.
ROFL
First, Jesus never existed
Second, biblical quotes are far from profound (some are quite horrifying)... the bible is not known as a literary work of art by any stretch of the imagination
... to you.
I'm sorry you don't have the light of the Lord in your life, but, you don't seem to care, so meh. I'm not one of those proselytizing Christians. You pick your own path But, alot of people in the United States would disagree with you. Doesn't invalidate your choice, but something to think about.
Do you think I've never read the bible?
It's SHIT... worst book I've EVER read... it's horrible from cover to cover
Have you actually read the bible? Not just what you're told in church, but actually read it from cover to cover?
No? Then you aren't qualified to comment, are you?
Here's a random meme since I haven't posted one in this thread for a while
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
You either have not read much/any of the bible, or you think quotes like these are good?
Quote from: Deuteronomy 22:23-29
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Translation:
If you rape a virgin who is engaged, you are both to be stoned to death
If you rape a virgin who is not engaged, you must marry her and pay her father 50 shekels of silver
Here's another winner...
Quote from: Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
That's just sick... if you have "a stubborn and rebellious son"... you are to murder him? WHAT THE FUCK?!?
Literary work of art right there... so beautiful to read... makes me weep
Where the fuck do you get off calling this shit "A marvelous piece of literature"?
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