That's not a wise issue to discuss, why you are calling poison.?.I don't know what program with you and what's the reason behind it.?.
No religion is poison, proper religion never be like that.. Every religion show us to the way of beautiful meaning of Life.
Topic: Christianity is Poison - page 23. (Read 52590 times)
It makes no sense that the relatively short life we live on this planet, at most 100 years and perhaps as brief as a few minutes, would be used by a God to determine our ultimate destiny, one that will last trillions and trillions of years and beyond. This would be like compensating a baseball player for his entire career based on how he performs in his first major league at bat. If he hits a home run, he would receive a high salary, but if he strikes out, he will get only minimum wage throughout his career no matter how well he plays thereafter. The time difference between the trial period and the punishment/reward period is drastically out of sync.
Some Christians say that God will give people another chance after they die to accept his grace, but if that is true, then why be so concerned about the unsaved in this life? And if you get a second chance after you die, you will obviously know that Christianity is true, making the decision to believe not a matter of faith, but of fact. This makes no sense, and it would render the core theology of Christianity meaningless.
Some Christians say that God will give people another chance after they die to accept his grace, but if that is true, then why be so concerned about the unsaved in this life? And if you get a second chance after you die, you will obviously know that Christianity is true, making the decision to believe not a matter of faith, but of fact. This makes no sense, and it would render the core theology of Christianity meaningless.
I disagree. But I still lurvs you...
Ignorance is bliss... literally... - At least until the pain comes from not perceiving the danger.
It's a proven fact that stupid people are happier - But they are dead people when the trouble gets too great.
It's a proven fact that religious people have lower IQ - Since all people are religious beings, this only applies to the direction opposite of their intelligence.
Idiots are happy believing in fairy tales... intelligent people, not so much - Many people believe the fairy tales of big bang theory, black hole theory, relativity theory, evolution theory, etc., etc.
Charles de Gaulle was quoted as saying, 'Happy people are idiots'
- Yet, Charles de Gaulle is dead. So is his religion. Happiness should be a goal in life. It can be achieved in almost every situation.
The Christian is far happier at his own death than the so-called atheist.
Despite the fact that I was baptized as a child, that's why I did not choose my faith, but I am very pleased. I am glad that I am not worried about this peasant at the same time. I'm not a fan of faith, but I am a peasant.
I disagree. But I still lurvs you...
Ignorance is bliss... literally...
It's a proven fact that stupid people are happier
It's a proven fact that religious people have lower IQ
Idiots are happy believing in fairy tales... intelligent people, not so much
Charles de Gaulle was quoted as saying, 'Happy people are idiots'
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
I wouldn't... it's silly, and nonsense claiming people live 500-1000 years... nonsense
There is zero point in a genealogy beyond trying to provide evidence that such people existed... which a genealogy can't do anyway...
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
No... it's the words of someone who doesn't understand where the water in rivers comes from (verse 7)
Life is not meaningless, it's an evolution... like all things, society evolves a little at a time...
"What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun?" (verse 3)
Everything! He gets to eat, have shelter, discuss religion on the internet with random strangers
"there is nothing new under the sun" (verse 9)
wtf? New things are invented every day! Was this guy born in the bronze age or something?
I suppose you could call it poetic because its in the form of poetry, but it's just ignorance when you really look at the meaning of the words
There is nothing profound or moving in this poetry... it's quite lacking
I hope that isn't your best example
I disagree. But I still lurvs you.
Again, we are arguing opinion. This will go nowhere. And, you have alot of hostile tone bleeding through, it's difficult to read your intent. I haven't really attacked atheism like you have attacked Christianity, because I don't really gave any spare fucks to give out. But if I did, we would simply be comparing and contrasting two religions with opinions (atheism and christianity). We might as well be bragging about our favorite team.
But yeah, man, I fucking love those words. So sorry, if that didn't do it for you,.
Thanks for your time
that wasn't productive, but it did offer useful insight. And on a meta thought, the religion threads have been hot tonight, this may have been productive after all. We got people reading and thinking, high five.
If that is the style of fictional writing you like..... "power to you".
Me, I prefer "Lord of the Rings".
It has a way better story line.
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
I wouldn't... it's silly, and nonsense claiming people live 500-1000 years... nonsense
There is zero point in a genealogy beyond trying to provide evidence that such people existed... which a genealogy can't do anyway...
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
No... it's the words of someone who doesn't understand where the water in rivers comes from (verse 7)
Life is not meaningless, it's an evolution... like all things, society evolves a little at a time...
"What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun?" (verse 3)
Everything! He gets to eat, have shelter, discuss religion on the internet with random strangers
"there is nothing new under the sun" (verse 9)
wtf? New things are invented every day! Was this guy born in the bronze age or something?
I suppose you could call it poetic because its in the form of poetry, but it's just ignorance when you really look at the meaning of the words
There is nothing profound or moving in this poetry... it's quite lacking
I hope that isn't your best example
I disagree. But I still lurvs you.
Again, we are arguing opinion. This will go nowhere. And, you have alot of hostile tone bleeding through, it's difficult to read your intent. I haven't really attacked atheism like you have attacked Christianity, because I don't really gave any spare fucks to give out. But if I did, we would simply be comparing and contrasting two religions with opinions (atheism and christianity). We might as well be bragging about our favorite team.
But yeah, man, I fucking love those words. So sorry, if that didn't do it for you,.
Thanks for your time
that wasn't productive, but it did offer useful insight. And on a meta thought, the religion threads have been hot tonight, this may have been productive after all. We got people reading and thinking, high five.
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
I wouldn't... it's silly, and nonsense claiming people live 500-1000 years... nonsense
There is zero point in a genealogy beyond trying to provide evidence that such people existed... which a genealogy can't do anyway...
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
No... it's the words of someone who doesn't understand where the water in rivers comes from (verse 7)
Life is not meaningless, it's an evolution... like all things, society evolves a little at a time...
"What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun?" (verse 3)
Everything! He gets to eat, have shelter, discuss religion on the internet with random strangers
"there is nothing new under the sun" (verse 9)
wtf? New things are invented every day! Was this guy born in the bronze age or something?
I suppose you could call it poetic because its in the form of poetry, but it's just ignorance when you really look at the meaning of the words
There is nothing profound or moving in this poetry... it's quite lacking
I hope that isn't your best example
No, Moloch, I was trying to respond to you in a civil fashion, and explain my motivations. Identifying motivations is key to solving problems involving human actors, I was trying to be efficient. My apologies if it came off wrong.
Yes, I dispute your claim that Leviticus is full of laughably silly laws, to use your parlance in summation. The following few sentences are my argument as evidence. The laws in question were a specific covenant with a specific set of God's followers, and have additional historical context. In my opinion (which doesn't really matter) they served multiple purposes: they spelled out rules for hygiene at a time when people that disease was a magical function, they set up rules for the religious caste and property ownership/ community duties (the Levite's and the complicated relationship with the rest of the tribes, being the dedicated priestly tribe), and rules on sexual congress at a time when sister fucking was a meh thing. The rules are blunt, admittedly, but for a reason: they are being dictated to a simpler people, and broadly enough to stand the test of future interpretation. I don't get all of them, to be sure; I have no beef with shellfish (see what I did there?) But just because I don't understand something doesn't invalidate it.
Which leads to my next argument (notice I'm not citing verse, you seem aware of the Book, there is no need). Just because there is a singular undesirable part of a thing, does not mean that the whole is invalidated. Especially with a concept such as elegance, which is purely subjective in the first place. Hell, this whole convo is pretty meaningless given we are arguing opinion; I was surprised you engaged me in this manner, given that I was offering such subjective content initially in our discussion (my opinion of the mop video). Anywho, I'll give one of my favorite books (well, series of books), the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. It's a lot, but suffice it to say there is every form of fuckery known to man (rape, murder, witchcraft, pedophilia, shit, if it's bad, it happened). But, it's part of the story; it helps define the experience through contrast, or simply illustrates the starkness of the situation.
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
And my favorite passage at the moment (it changes, but I always come back to this because it is so universal) is this, an example of the elegance I was talking about (at least in my opinion, which isn't the same as your obviously). We will never agree on your argument, we are giving opinions and not facts. So, fittingly:
Ecclesiastes 1
Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
Yes, I dispute your claim that Leviticus is full of laughably silly laws, to use your parlance in summation. The following few sentences are my argument as evidence. The laws in question were a specific covenant with a specific set of God's followers, and have additional historical context. In my opinion (which doesn't really matter) they served multiple purposes: they spelled out rules for hygiene at a time when people that disease was a magical function, they set up rules for the religious caste and property ownership/ community duties (the Levite's and the complicated relationship with the rest of the tribes, being the dedicated priestly tribe), and rules on sexual congress at a time when sister fucking was a meh thing. The rules are blunt, admittedly, but for a reason: they are being dictated to a simpler people, and broadly enough to stand the test of future interpretation. I don't get all of them, to be sure; I have no beef with shellfish (see what I did there?) But just because I don't understand something doesn't invalidate it.
Which leads to my next argument (notice I'm not citing verse, you seem aware of the Book, there is no need). Just because there is a singular undesirable part of a thing, does not mean that the whole is invalidated. Especially with a concept such as elegance, which is purely subjective in the first place. Hell, this whole convo is pretty meaningless given we are arguing opinion; I was surprised you engaged me in this manner, given that I was offering such subjective content initially in our discussion (my opinion of the mop video). Anywho, I'll give one of my favorite books (well, series of books), the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. It's a lot, but suffice it to say there is every form of fuckery known to man (rape, murder, witchcraft, pedophilia, shit, if it's bad, it happened). But, it's part of the story; it helps define the experience through contrast, or simply illustrates the starkness of the situation.
As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?
And my favorite passage at the moment (it changes, but I always come back to this because it is so universal) is this, an example of the elegance I was talking about (at least in my opinion, which isn't the same as your obviously). We will never agree on your argument, we are giving opinions and not facts. So, fittingly:
Ecclesiastes 1
Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wouldn't you agree?
The Bible is lying to you. In religion each pursues his goal. The clergy live at the expense of deceived their people, and people are willing to be deceived but would not take responsibility for decisions. How they want to do what they are told.
I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.
Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)
The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)
The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...
I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction
Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...
Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?
...
It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.
So, where do we disagree?
So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.
Did you just completely ignore my entire post?
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that the bible is a elegantly written, "the bees knees as far as writing goes"?
It seems like you only care about your post count, and not having an actual discussion, which requires reading, answering questions, posting facts and evidence to back up a claim, etc
If you are talking about getting rid of all the evil on earth, that will happen for you when you die. Nobody talks about evil after they are dead.
The Bible simply explains about the New Heavens and the New Earth, and the permanent destruction of this one, so that all evil will be destroyed, and the good will remain in the new universe.
Latch onto the knowledge in the Bible so that you can live with the good rather than be destroyed with the evil.
I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.
Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)
The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)
The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...
I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction
Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...
Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?
...
It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.
So, where do we disagree?
So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.
Did you just completely ignore my entire post?
Do you dispute my claim that an elegant book would not include pages full of laughably silly laws where the penalty is death (Leviticus 18-22), and pages of nothing but names (genealogy)? That alone contradicts the elegance claim, doesn't it?
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that the bible is a elegantly written, "the bees knees as far as writing goes"? Can you provide any example of elegant writing in the bible? Anything at all?
Quote from: Genesis 11
This is the account of Shem’s family line.
Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad. And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah. And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.
After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.
Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad. And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah. And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.
After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.
How is this elegant, poetic, or anything other than bullshit?
It seems like you only care about your post count, and not having an actual discussion, which requires reading, answering questions, posting facts and evidence to back up a claim, etc
....
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you have passages like these:
OLD TESTAMENT:
Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden
NEW TESTAMENT (written thousands of years after the OLD testament):
Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children
Psalm 137:9 - killing babies
How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me. It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people. If you enjoyed it, you are not well. You might be a psychopath. But then again you already knew that.
What in the world backward place do you live at? Go to any popular bookstore. Look on Amazon. People devour this kind of stuff.
When the Bible talks about it, the Bible is talking about ways to make things more bearable for people, and even righteous. Quit taking things out of context in the Bible.
I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.
Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)
The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)
The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...
I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction
Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...
Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?
What claims have I made? Ive stated that I think the Bible is the bees knees, as far as writing goes, as well as the Koran. Ive also stated that I think Jesus was a badass speaker. And that most Christians don't diddy bip each other with mops during service. I'm not really try to sell you anything, anyone anything, for that matter. We haven't really discussed your particular deal with Christianity, I don't know your beef.. I would enjoy the conversation, I like to test my faith and reaffirm it. It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.
So, let's start an actual discussion about Christianity,. I agree with your views on organized religion. The sects, and not the message, are the problem in my book. People go off by themselves and interpret the book in novel ways, then come back to the fold with unfamiliar ideas that the whole rejects. At the worst, these sects turn into cults, social societies that reflect a singular person ideas, rather than the message. But the message itself, in my opinion, is beyond reproach. Yes, there is shittyness in the Bible; it reflects a harder time when Gods touch was more evident. We werent as smart, the symbols were alot bokder, so to speak, to drive the point home. It's not cute, the Old Testament reads like the Game of Thrones. Mofos dying left and right the worst ways. But the point is to learn from their adversity; the tales were recorded to instill ideas on future generations. God's wrath is a bitch, ask Old Testament Jews. But his love is infinite; and the teachings of Jesus reflect this, a softer tone with biting rhetoric that teaches moral indignation and divine wrath , but a civil, pacifist approach to conflict resolution. That's what the Big Guy intended, but sadly, the message got list, so to speak, in modern society.
So, where do we disagree? I don't have time to read this whole thread, bit I speed read, so if you want me to familiarize myself with your previously stated positions, inform me, and allow me some time to research. I love a good synthetic conversation, in my opinion, a good argument among friends about something stimulating is God's gift. Floats my boat
So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.
I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.
Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)
The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)
The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...
I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction
Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...
Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?
....
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.
And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.
AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself
It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you have passages like these:
OLD TESTAMENT:
Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden
How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me. It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people. If you enjoyed it, you are not well. You might be a psychopath. But then again you already knew that.
I do not tend to shy away from the realities of this existence. Cannibalism, sacrifice, slavery, they are features of my reality, unfortunately. I live on planet Earth, it's quite fucked here.
It's easier for me because I do not share your prejudices. I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written. Don't agree with the Koran, but the symbols, and the fact that it rhymes in an odd way, is intriguing to me. But the Bible, tour de force.
I might not be well.
I may need counseling
You sound bitter, man. Not resistant, but bitter. Why do you hate Christianity so much? What happened to you, if you will share? Do you want to debate with us, or yell at us? I'm being genuine, I'm not trying to convert you or anything, but I would like to have genuine discourse.
This is a totally bullshit talking. How you can say that religion is poison.?. What's your logical backup against that sort of Vogue topic. Have you any logic.?.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.
Did you bother to read a single post in this thread before replying with such nonsense?
If you could fucking read, you would see the logic of 645 posts...
You are like that idiot kid in class who asks the same question the teacher JUST answered!
This is a totally bullshit talking. How you can say that religion is poison.?. What's your logical backup against that sort of Vogue topic. Have you any logic.?.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.
Are you aware what the Quran says about those that don't follow Allah?
Are you aware that the Koran doesn't have nearly the strength that the Bible has? The strength of the Koran is in Stockholm Syndrome, even though it isn't called that. Bible fear is in eternal reality. Come out of the fear, and be saved.It all tittle-tattle at the end of the day, not really of any importance.
Are you aware that the Bible doesn't have nearly the strength that the truth has?
The Bible vs Truth is important. Unlike the unimportant Quran vs Bible,
Sober up while you still have the chance.
You totally misunderstand. The Bible is truth. The thing that is NOT truth is often the misinterpretation that people place on it.
The fact that you are against the Bible and truth is self-evident. Therefore you are falsehood.
You totally misunderstand. The Quran is truth. The thing that is NOT truth is often the misinterpretation that people place on it.
The fact that you are against the Quran and truth is self-evident. Therefore you are falsehood.
*See how silly you sound.*
The Koran and the Bible are books written by people for the purpose of a certain benefit for them, so there can not be truth in them.
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