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-Fred
Topic: ckpool.org CLOSED - page 144. (Read 162858 times)
Just wanted to pop in and say I built my first little attempt at a rig last night (3 Gekko 2-pacs and a 12 year old laptop) and I will contribute my de minimis hash here. I've read every post in this thread and I like the philosophy behind this pool. I'm not helping much, I know, but I'm not going anywhere else.
im in with 30TH
lets get this block
lets get this block
... This isn't straight forward but you asked so I'll try to simplify it as much as possible.
13 TH is about 180,000 diff 1 shares per minute which is about 260 million shares per day. The current N shares is 2.2 trillion shares. If you look at the current pool work, the top miner is actually about 3,000 times bigger than the 100th miner so you need only 1/3000th of the 2.2 trillion shares. That's about 750 million. So with 1 S9 you should get into the payouts in about 3 days - but then the payout will keep rising too. This would be very different if every miner was the same size. I did this over morning coffee so I may be out but that sounds about right.
13 TH is about 180,000 diff 1 shares per minute which is about 260 million shares per day. The current N shares is 2.2 trillion shares. If you look at the current pool work, the top miner is actually about 3,000 times bigger than the 100th miner so you need only 1/3000th of the 2.2 trillion shares. That's about 750 million. So with 1 S9 you should get into the payouts in about 3 days - but then the payout will keep rising too. This would be very different if every miner was the same size. I did this over morning coffee so I may be out but that sounds about right.
This is EXACTLY the kind of answer I was looking for, thank you very very much!
Javede
... This isn't straight forward but you asked so I'll try to simplify it as much as possible.
13 TH is about 180,000 diff 1 shares per minute which is about 260 million shares per day. The current N shares is 2.2 trillion shares. If you look at the current pool work, the top miner is actually about 3,000 times bigger than the 100th miner so you need only 1/3000th of the 2.2 trillion shares. That's about 750 million. So with 1 S9 you should get into the payouts in about 3 days - but then the payout will keep rising too. This would be very different if every miner was the same size. I did this over morning coffee so I may be out but that sounds about right.
13 TH is about 180,000 diff 1 shares per minute which is about 260 million shares per day. The current N shares is 2.2 trillion shares. If you look at the current pool work, the top miner is actually about 3,000 times bigger than the 100th miner so you need only 1/3000th of the 2.2 trillion shares. That's about 750 million. So with 1 S9 you should get into the payouts in about 3 days - but then the payout will keep rising too. This would be very different if every miner was the same size. I did this over morning coffee so I may be out but that sounds about right.
This is EXACTLY the kind of answer I was looking for, thank you very very much!
Javede
... This isn't straight forward but you asked so I'll try to simplify it as much as possible.
13 TH is about 180,000 diff 1 shares per minute which is about 260 million shares per day. The current N shares is 2.2 trillion shares. If you look at the current pool work, the top miner is actually about 3,000 times bigger than the 100th miner so you need only 1/3000th of the 2.2 trillion shares. That's about 750 million. So with 1 S9 you should get into the payouts in about 3 days - but then the payout will keep rising too. This would be very different if every miner was the same size. I did this over morning coffee so I may be out but that sounds about right.
13 TH is about 180,000 diff 1 shares per minute which is about 260 million shares per day. The current N shares is 2.2 trillion shares. If you look at the current pool work, the top miner is actually about 3,000 times bigger than the 100th miner so you need only 1/3000th of the 2.2 trillion shares. That's about 750 million. So with 1 S9 you should get into the payouts in about 3 days - but then the payout will keep rising too. This would be very different if every miner was the same size. I did this over morning coffee so I may be out but that sounds about right.
This is EXACTLY the kind of answer I was looking for, thank you very very much!
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Anyone in the top 100 hashers will always get into the payout queue once they've mined enough shares (and enough keeps changing.)
If you look at http://ckpool.org/pool/ you'll see the current "lns" - Last N Shares is 2241427919578 and the HERP is about the same so it's your proportion of this amount specifically.
Anyone in the top 100 hashers will always get into the payout queue once they've mined enough shares (and enough keeps changing.)
If you look at http://ckpool.org/pool/ you'll see the current "lns" - Last N Shares is 2241427919578 and the HERP is about the same so it's your proportion of this amount specifically.
To help me visualize this better: could you answer my original question ( how long should one mine at 13TH to get into the top 100 ) assuming (impossibly) that both difficulty and the amount of pool participants stays the same from here on out
13 TH is about 180,000 diff 1 shares per minute which is about 260 million shares per day. The current N shares is 2.2 trillion shares. If you look at the current pool work, the top miner is actually about 3,000 times bigger than the 100th miner so you need only 1/3000th of the 2.2 trillion shares. That's about 750 million. So with 1 S9 you should get into the top 100 payouts in about 3 days - but then the payout will keep rising too. This would be very different if every miner was the same size. I did this over morning coffee so I may be out but that sounds about right.
... how long should one mine at 13TH to get into the top 100...
... on a serious note....You asking about some deep math, given that we're 67% of expected shares into the current block out of a total expected 4 or 5 blocks. That kind of math is going to be difficult to find someone willing to do it for you (since your calc has the same + - * and / as ours)
I am not asking for a guarantee, nor for some deep math. I am a "facilitator" for someone not too computer savvy who wants to invest in this thing, and is specifically interested in this pool because of the direct-coinbase transaction ( no wallet bullshit, no coloured coins ).
They tasked me to research whether the *outcome* of the math of this pool is legit ( neither of us doubts that the math itself is legit, we've worked with -ck before and trust him ). I've looked through the 27 pages of comments on this thread, and haven't found even a back-of-the-napkin example calculation of what is a rather legitimate question to ask before investig several grand in equipment.
So while I appreciate the sarcasm, I still think that the question has merit, and could use with an *approximate* answer, in case things are really as complicated as they seem.
Thanks in advance!
It makes my brain hurt even thinking about the formula to answer the question as asked 
A truer statement has never been said...
LOL
-Fred
... how long should one mine at 13TH to get into the top 100...
About this long:|...|
Edit: on a serious note....
You asking about some deep math, given that we're 67% of expected shares into the current block out of a total expected 4 or 5 blocks. That kind of math is going to be difficult to find someone willing to do it for you (since your calc has the same + - * and / as ours)
...
Anyone in the top 100 hashers will always get into the payout queue once they've mined enough shares (and enough keeps changing.)
If you look at http://ckpool.org/pool/ you'll see the current "lns" - Last N Shares is 2241427919578 and the HERP is about the same so it's your proportion of this amount specifically.
Anyone in the top 100 hashers will always get into the payout queue once they've mined enough shares (and enough keeps changing.)
If you look at http://ckpool.org/pool/ you'll see the current "lns" - Last N Shares is 2241427919578 and the HERP is about the same so it's your proportion of this amount specifically.
To help me visualize this better: could you answer my original question ( how long should one mine at 13TH to get into the top 100 ) assuming (impossibly) that both difficulty and the amount of pool participants stays the same from here on out
It makes my brain hurt even thinking about the formula to answer the question as asked
Right on. So meaning is it luck that push me from postpone to payouts or all of the contributed hashrate previously will accumulate until I am push to payouts?
Mostly hashrate and a small contribution by luck.Ok, so I seem to be missing something. I have read the explanation on the first page of this thread, and have a rough idea how the calculation works. However I can't seem to answer the following question:
What is the actual formula to approximate when does one get into the 150-member coinbase list, considering the current state of the queue? Let's say I get my hands on an 13TH S9 today, and start mining. At current difficulty/reward I am "gaining" about 0.02 BTC / week. How long should my miner remain plugged to guarantee an actual payout whenever the next block is found?
The reason I ask this is because even the lowest entry in the pool ( at the time of writing it is "18XcjTLs1rkwhgYjncUaKmoYwKpXuvGV17": 0.00014845 ) has a luck of 1.0 ( http://ckpool.org/users/18XcjTLs1rkwhgYjncUaKmoYwKpXuvGV17 ). And that's a payout 135 times(!) smaller than what a weekly "statistical-payout" would be for a 13TH miner.
Thanks in advance for your time explaining this
If you look at http://ckpool.org/pool/ you'll see the current "lns" - Last N Shares is 2241427919578 and the HERP is about the same so it's your proportion of this amount specifically.
Right on. So meaning is it luck that push me from postpone to payouts or all of the contributed hashrate previously will accumulate until I am push to payouts?
Mostly hashrate and a small contribution by luck.Ok, so I seem to be missing something. I have read the explanation on the first page of this thread, and have a rough idea how the calculation works. However I can't seem to answer the following question:
What is the actual formula to approximate when does one get into the 150-member coinbase list, considering the current state of the queue? Let's say I get my hands on an 13TH S9 today, and start mining. At current difficulty/reward I am "gaining" about 0.02 BTC / week. How long should my miner remain plugged to guarantee an actual payout whenever the next block is found?
The reason I ask this is because even the lowest entry in the pool ( at the time of writing it is "18XcjTLs1rkwhgYjncUaKmoYwKpXuvGV17": 0.00014845 ) has a luck of 1.0 ( http://ckpool.org/users/18XcjTLs1rkwhgYjncUaKmoYwKpXuvGV17 ). And that's a payout 135 times(!) smaller than what a weekly "statistical-payout" would be for a 13TH miner.
Thanks in advance for your time explaining this
How long, if ever, until old/disconnected workers drop off our individual status pages?
-Fred
-Fred
What is the number that follows the addresses that are in the postponed section of the pool work? is that an accumulation of user/address HERP?
Yes it's HERP.
What is the number that follows the addresses that are in the postponed section of the pool work? is that an accumulation of user/address HERP?
Right on. So meaning is it luck that push me from postpone to payouts or all of the contributed hashrate previously will accumulate until I am push to payouts?
Mostly hashrate and a small contribution by luck.Thank you ck for the confirmation.
Another quetion is, do small mining machine have a chance to get lucky?
Of course they have a chance, otherwise no one would try it.
The chance might be statisticly low, but luck is unperdictible anyway.
The smalest miner ever found a block on solo was a single S3 I think.
Right on. So meaning is it luck that push me from postpone to payouts or all of the contributed hashrate previously will accumulate until I am push to payouts?
Mostly hashrate and a small contribution by luck. I jumped from BTC.com pool to here just to try. I see that my configuration is corrrect as I am seeing that my hashing rate is consistent to what my miner is capable.
But how do you know how much bitcoin are you getting? I mean, yes there is a mark where it will payout, but is there any other way to see whether you are near to payout or not.
Thank you.
If you click on the pool work link http://ckpool.org/pool/pool.work you will see who's scheduled to receive a reward on the next block find under "payouts". If you're in the "postponed" list that means you haven't contributed enough hashrate yet to receive a payout and will be postponed. As you contribute hashrate you can move up into the payout list if a block hasn't yet been found if your hashrate is significant enough. That work page is created dynamically every minute and changes continuously and is an estimate of payout should a block be found this instant. But how do you know how much bitcoin are you getting? I mean, yes there is a mark where it will payout, but is there any other way to see whether you are near to payout or not.
Thank you.
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