Claymore's ZCash/BTG AMD GPU Miner v12.6 (Windows/Linux) - page 713.

Searing

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Clueless!

Quote from: caloydgreat on November 06, 2016, 05:29:30 AM

I think it would be best to both parties and to all miners if this would just be for free. Without the dev fees.
Please remove the dev fees in your zcash miner @Claymore. Just let it be for the public and all of us miners will appreciate you more and I think @mrb would have no objection to that.

Please remove the dev fees. Just this once.
Thank you.

Sorry to say. He has a product the kicks butt. I realize pools for ZEC are charging 4% that will lessen some with competition.....add this 2.5% and it looks steep together at 6.5%

but again. IF your product rocks why would you not charge 2.5% and code this mess for free. That is just silly. He also charged for the ETH versions.

From what I understand his previous mining stuff for ETH was 1%. This being a new coin and more of a gamble...he up'd the amount for the risk/time he put in.

Anyway...if this does NOT work out for him and others have your view and they all beat a path someplace else..well hell he may then lessen his fee at some point.

But no fee at all ....don't be silly

Also imho by getting such out NOW rather then later. (ie free as time permits no rush) anyone mining GPU's is probably gonna make out way way ahead mining NOW with stuff that
works at this speed way way way above the curve and the 2.5% fee is a non issue. Then again it could all go beanie baby by next Wednesday and everyone has other concerns then.

Anyway its his time....it is his way to price.....if it is too high others will also make code as good then that will 'encourage' him to maybe lower his prices then.

but again....don't like it use something else imho ..not a slam..just how I see his situation and pricing at this time etc

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Quote from: zawawa on November 06, 2016, 05:02:30 AM

Quote from: Claymore on November 06, 2016, 04:53:43 AM

I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.
It will take up to 24 hours to revise my code and create own implementation, then I will upload updated version.

Details are:

Code:

mrb> Claymore, you took and reused my blake.c code and didn't include the copyright notice as required by silentarmy's MIT license:
mrb> https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/640
mrb> I request that you cease infringing by:
mrb> (1) either including the full "License" section of silentarmy's README.md along with your distribution of your zcash miner,
mrb> (2) or stop using my blake.c code.

Of course this is only ~100 lines of code, and we are all lazy programmers and I understand why you did it :) but you ought to do the right thing.
Thanks,
-Marc Bevand
[/quote]

Oh, you are correct, I really missed this point. I was in a big hurry to release first version asap, so I concentrated on main Wagner's algo,
blake is not interesting for me at this point since it takes only 10% of total GPU time and it's trivial in fact, blake algo is not that I can call something new.
But to make some start point asap I included your blake.c into my sources and then forgot about it and did not create my implementation. That's what happens if you are in a hurry.
It is very unpleasant situation for me, I will do the following:

1. I remove v1.0 and v1.1 versions of my miner. In fact, I already removed current packages from google drive and MEGA, I will upload updated versions soon. In next version I will remove your blake.c from my sources.
2. I apologize, it's only my fault that I used this part of your code. I was not going to do it in public version.
3. I want to send you some compensation from my ZEC dev fee if you don't mind, just send me your ZEC address.
4. I'm not going to hide my fault in any way, I will post this message in my miner thread in first post.

Nice to see mature, thoughtful responses from both parties. Let's move on, then.

Very nice behaviour. Congrats Wink

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Quote from: rednoW on November 06, 2016, 05:05:04 AM

What about cpu usage on nedralph ft. mrb miner vs. claymore's?

That really is the main weak factor of silentarmy miner.

I had to install miner on my friend's PC that is very slow single core Celeron with 1GB of RAM and RX470 x 2 cards. Silentarmy gave me only 7Sol/s per thread, so around 28 Sol/s for TWO RX470. The limiting factor was CPU and bus. I replaced the MB by a better one and got double performance - around 56 Sol/s. Still not a lot since the same miner with H81Pro BTC and G3240 gave more. Replacing the miner by CZM (let me call so the Claymore's Zcash miner further), I've got 90 Sol/s on that slowest mobo with single core CPU.

So I hope mrb will pay some attention to this. Otherwise his miner isn't slower for modern cards. Can't say so yet for 79xx. But have to admit that 50% of success of CZM is remote management + telemetry, stability and easy use on all platforms. That pays for itself. And with the same performance people will use CZM just for that.

As for me, I would use freeware miner and add telemetry scripting if necessary. But of course, we now need the same performance just to stay in a line with the majority.

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Quote from: caloydgreat on November 06, 2016, 05:29:30 AM

I think it would be best to both parties and to all miners if this would just be for free. Without the dev fees.
Please remove the dev fees in your zcash miner @Claymore. Just let it be for the public and all of us miners will appreciate you more and I think @mrb would have no objection to that.

Please remove the dev fees. Just this once.
Thank you.

?!??!??!?
There is no logic in what you want !!
By going to the store if you donate bread or have to buy it?
Developers also need to eat! Wink

caloydgreat

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I think it would be best to both parties and to all miners if this would just be for free. Without the dev fees.
Please remove the dev fees in your zcash miner @Claymore. Just let it be for the public and all of us miners will appreciate you more and I think @mrb would have no objection to that.

Please remove the dev fees. Just this once.
Thank you.

bobben2

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Quote from: rednoW on November 06, 2016, 05:05:04 AM

Quote from: Eliovp on November 06, 2016, 04:59:37 AM

Quote from: fredeq on November 06, 2016, 04:30:25 AM

Quote from: mrb on November 06, 2016, 02:43:56 AM

Quote from: corather on November 06, 2016, 02:22:17 AM

Sounds to me more like professional jealously.

Absolutely not. Some users discovered it and simply told me about it: https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/629

This cryptomined fellow is like a Spanish Inquisition.
Very aggressive to put as much black PR as he can on claymore...

Doesn't look like aggression to me though..

Not even jealousy..

Just facts, that aren't completely true.

I went ahead and setup Claymore's 2.5% fee miner and ran it.

My 2x480's in my test machine never got over 47 sol per card. (Let it run for an hour).
While the Silent army one modified by Nerdralph never got lower than 48!! Even spikes to 56Sol. Grin

Also let it run for an hour to get a better look on the pool results. And yup, those were even higher then the reported sols as well.

So basically, Claymore didn't take the silent army kernel and implemented it, he took it, made it slower and put a big ass fee next to it and made all of you people think that you hit the jackpot, haha Grin

And now laughing his ass off watching his "Sols" go up in all those pools Cheesy

and thinking : "Suckers...."

Cool

Edit: I have to admit, after reading the convo between Mrb and Claymore, respect that he admitted his fault and doesn't try to hide it. Kudo's.

What about cpu usage on nedralph ft. mrb miner vs. claymore's?

Here (top cmd):

rig1 i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz silentarmy xubuntu 16.04

2127 bobben 20 0 16,209g 81344 53428 S 8,6 1,0 0:52.44 sa-solver
2128 bobben 20 0 16,209g 80824 52908 R 7,6 1,0 0:52.86 sa-solver
2129 bobben 20 0 16,209g 80884 52956 S 7,6 1,0 0:48.63 sa-solver
2130 bobben 20 0 16,209g 80976 53116 S 7,0 1,0 0:49.08 sa-solver
2132 bobben 20 0 16,209g 80624 52824 S 5,6 1,0 0:37.96 sa-solver
2133 bobben 20 0 16,209g 80648 52852 S 5,3 1,0 0:37.14 sa-solver

rig2 i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz zecminer64 (claymore) xubuntu 14.04

8567 bobben 20 0 4986220 137240 79912 S 6,5 1,7 1:08.99 zecminer64

Two rigs, both have 3 gpus each.
I know, the i5-3570 is a better cpu (or haswell inferior to ivy bridge), but the numbers are convincing in favour of Claymore.

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Quote from: snakey on November 06, 2016, 04:59:43 AM

so if he removed blake2b, will it be slower?

It wasn't just blake.. It was a lot of other stuff as well

doktor83

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100 lines of code could make your miner run 200% faster , so it's not "only" Cheesy

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Quote from: Oldminer2013 on November 06, 2016, 04:57:58 AM

I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.

used a small Huh

you used all mrb's work.

zcash_blake2b_init
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/d/d31391cb4322780a846f37bcc12e204801088f78.jpg
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/6/61b8e7613c2989ef356c81aec8993e6e3039cbdc.jpg

zcash_blake2b_update
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/7/726cd836dd65080358be0bbc3c674784ad84e52b.png
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/f/fe0019f4d3fa52b834d4e7ba91e17ed4349b2251.png

solve_equihash
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/6/670d2ed87ccca99edb255812335e6d54f24a3477.jpg
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/d/d856f9a8a9c4991e5be94121d00e03859123e1fe.jpg

sub_413330 zcash_blake2b_init
sub_413420 zcash_blake2b_update
sub_40AD00 solve_equihash

Quote from: Claymore on November 06, 2016, 04:53:43 AM

I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.
It will take up to 24 hours to revise my code and create own implementation, then I will upload updated version.

Details are:

Code:

mrb> Claymore, you took and reused my blake.c code and didn't include the copyright notice as required by silentarmy's MIT license:
mrb> https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/640
mrb> I request that you cease infringing by:
mrb> (1) either including the full "License" section of silentarmy's README.md along with your distribution of your zcash miner,
mrb> (2) or stop using my blake.c code.

Of course this is only ~100 lines of code, and we are all lazy programmers and I understand why you did it :) but you ought to do the right thing.
Thanks,
-Marc Bevand
[/quote]

Oh, you are correct, I really missed this point. I was in a big hurry to release first version asap, so I concentrated on main Wagner's algo,
blake is not interesting for me at this point since it takes only 10% of total GPU time and it's trivial in fact, blake algo is not that I can call something new.
But to make some start point asap I included your blake.c into my sources and then forgot about it and did not create my implementation. That's what happens if you are in a hurry.
It is very unpleasant situation for me, I will do the following:

1. I remove v1.0 and v1.1 versions of my miner. In fact, I already removed current packages from google drive and MEGA, I will upload updated versions soon. In next version I will remove your blake.c from my sources.
2. I apologize, it's only my fault that I used this part of your code. I was not going to do it in public version.
3. I want to send you some compensation from my ZEC dev fee if you don't mind, just send me your ZEC address.
4. I'm not going to hide my fault in any way, I will post this message in my miner thread in first post.

Original author says its only 100 lines of code.

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Quote from: Claymore on November 06, 2016, 04:53:43 AM

I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.
It will take up to 24 hours to revise my code and create own implementation, then I will upload updated version.

Details are:

Code:

mrb> Claymore, you took and reused my blake.c code and didn't include the copyright notice as required by silentarmy's MIT license:
mrb> https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/640
mrb> I request that you cease infringing by:
mrb> (1) either including the full "License" section of silentarmy's README.md along with your distribution of your zcash miner,
mrb> (2) or stop using my blake.c code.

Of course this is only ~100 lines of code, and we are all lazy programmers and I understand why you did it :) but you ought to do the right thing.
Thanks,
-Marc Bevand
[/quote]

Oh, you are correct, I really missed this point. I was in a big hurry to release first version asap, so I concentrated on main Wagner's algo,
blake is not interesting for me at this point since it takes only 10% of total GPU time and it's trivial in fact, blake algo is not that I can call something new.
But to make some start point asap I included your blake.c into my sources and then forgot about it and did not create my implementation. That's what happens if you are in a hurry.
It is very unpleasant situation for me, I will do the following:

1. I remove v1.0 and v1.1 versions of my miner. In fact, I already removed current packages from google drive and MEGA, I will upload updated versions soon.
In next version I will remove your blake.c from my sources.
2. I apologize, it's only my fault that I used this part of your code. I was not going to do it in public version.
3. I want to send you some compensation from my ZEC dev fee if you don't mind, just send me your ZEC address.
4. I'm not going to hide my fault in any way, I will post this message in my miner thread in first post.

Good response. Not a huge infraction and you stepped up to the plate.

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Quote from: Eliovp on November 06, 2016, 04:59:37 AM

Quote from: fredeq on November 06, 2016, 04:30:25 AM

Quote from: mrb on November 06, 2016, 02:43:56 AM

Quote from: corather on November 06, 2016, 02:22:17 AM

Sounds to me more like professional jealously.

Absolutely not. Some users discovered it and simply told me about it: https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/629

This cryptomined fellow is like a Spanish Inquisition.
Very aggressive to put as much black PR as he can on claymore...

Doesn't look like aggression to me though..

Not even jealousy..

Just facts, that aren't completely true.

I went ahead and setup Claymore's 2.5% fee miner and ran it.

My 2x480's in my test machine never got over 47 sol per card. (Let it run for an hour).
While the Silent army one modified by Nerdralph never got lower than 48!! Even spikes to 56Sol. Grin

Also let it run for an hour to get a better look on the pool results. And yup, those were even higher then the reported sols as well.

So basically, Claymore didn't take the silent army kernel and implemented it, he took it, made it slower and put a big ass fee next to it and made all of you people think that you hit the jackpot, haha Grin

And now laughing his ass off watching his "Sols" go up in all those pools Cheesy

and thinking : "Suckers...."

Cool

Edit: I have to admit, after reading the convo between Mrb and Claymore, respect that he admitted his fault and doesn't try to hide it. Kudo's.

What about cpu usage on nedralph ft. mrb miner vs. claymore's?

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Quote from: Claymore on November 06, 2016, 04:53:43 AM

I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.
It will take up to 24 hours to revise my code and create own implementation, then I will upload updated version.

Details are:

Code:

mrb> Claymore, you took and reused my blake.c code and didn't include the copyright notice as required by silentarmy's MIT license:
mrb> https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/640
mrb> I request that you cease infringing by:
mrb> (1) either including the full "License" section of silentarmy's README.md along with your distribution of your zcash miner,
mrb> (2) or stop using my blake.c code.

Of course this is only ~100 lines of code, and we are all lazy programmers and I understand why you did it :) but you ought to do the right thing.
Thanks,
-Marc Bevand
[/quote]

Oh, you are correct, I really missed this point. I was in a big hurry to release first version asap, so I concentrated on main Wagner's algo,
blake is not interesting for me at this point since it takes only 10% of total GPU time and it's trivial in fact, blake algo is not that I can call something new.
But to make some start point asap I included your blake.c into my sources and then forgot about it and did not create my implementation. That's what happens if you are in a hurry.
It is very unpleasant situation for me, I will do the following:

1. I remove v1.0 and v1.1 versions of my miner. In fact, I already removed current packages from google drive and MEGA, I will upload updated versions soon. In next version I will remove your blake.c from my sources.
2. I apologize, it's only my fault that I used this part of your code. I was not going to do it in public version.
3. I want to send you some compensation from my ZEC dev fee if you don't mind, just send me your ZEC address.
4. I'm not going to hide my fault in any way, I will post this message in my miner thread in first post.

Nice to see mature, thoughtful responses from both parties. Let's move on, then.

doktor83

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claymore is the real man, give him some zec because thats what he needs, not some text in a readme file.

snakey

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so if he removed blake2b, will it be slower?

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Huh?

Quote from: fredeq on November 06, 2016, 04:30:25 AM

Quote from: mrb on November 06, 2016, 02:43:56 AM

Quote from: corather on November 06, 2016, 02:22:17 AM

Sounds to me more like professional jealously.

Absolutely not. Some users discovered it and simply told me about it: https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/629

This cryptomined fellow is like a Spanish Inquisition.
Very aggressive to put as much black PR as he can on claymore...

Doesn't look like aggression to me though..

Not even jealousy..

Just facts, that aren't completely true.

I went ahead and setup Claymore's 2.5% fee miner and ran it.

My 2x480's in my test machine never got over 47 sol per card. (Let it run for an hour).
While the Silent army one modified by Nerdralph never got lower than 48!! Even spikes to 56Sol. Grin

Also let it run for an hour to get a better look on the pool results. And yup, those were even higher then the reported sols as well.

So basically, Claymore didn't take the silent army kernel and implemented it, he took it, made it slower and put a big ass fee next to it and made all of you people think that you hit the jackpot, haha Grin

And now laughing his ass off watching his "Sols" go up in all those pools Cheesy

and thinking : "Suckers...."

Cool

Edit: I have to admit, after reading the convo between Mrb and Claymore, respect that he admitted his fault and doesn't try to hide it. Kudo's.

Oldminer2013

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I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.

used a small Huh

you used all mrb's work.

zcash_blake2b_init
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/d/d31391cb4322780a846f37bcc12e204801088f78.jpg
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/6/61b8e7613c2989ef356c81aec8993e6e3039cbdc.jpg

zcash_blake2b_update
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/7/726cd836dd65080358be0bbc3c674784ad84e52b.png
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/f/fe0019f4d3fa52b834d4e7ba91e17ed4349b2251.png

solve_equihash
mrb:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/6/670d2ed87ccca99edb255812335e6d54f24a3477.jpg
claymore:
https://forum.z.cash/uploads/zcash/original/2X/d/d856f9a8a9c4991e5be94121d00e03859123e1fe.jpg

sub_413330 zcash_blake2b_init
sub_413420 zcash_blake2b_update
sub_40AD00 solve_equihash

Quote from: Claymore on November 06, 2016, 04:53:43 AM

I had to remove v1.0 and v1.1 from google drive and mega, because I was pointed that I used a small part of mrb's work.
It will take up to 24 hours to revise my code and create own implementation, then I will upload updated version.

Details are:

Code:

mrb> Claymore, you took and reused my blake.c code and didn't include the copyright notice as required by silentarmy's MIT license:
mrb> https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/640
mrb> I request that you cease infringing by:
mrb> (1) either including the full "License" section of silentarmy's README.md along with your distribution of your zcash miner,
mrb> (2) or stop using my blake.c code.

Of course this is only ~100 lines of code, and we are all lazy programmers and I understand why you did it :) but you ought to do the right thing.
Thanks,
-Marc Bevand
[/quote]

Oh, you are correct, I really missed this point. I was in a big hurry to release first version asap, so I concentrated on main Wagner's algo,
blake is not interesting for me at this point since it takes only 10% of total GPU time and it's trivial in fact, blake algo is not that I can call something new.
But to make some start point asap I included your blake.c into my sources and then forgot about it and did not create my implementation. That's what happens if you are in a hurry.
It is very unpleasant situation for me, I will do the following:

1. I remove v1.0 and v1.1 versions of my miner. In fact, I already removed current packages from google drive and MEGA, I will upload updated versions soon. In next version I will remove your blake.c from my sources.
2. I apologize, it's only my fault that I used this part of your code. I was not going to do it in public version.
3. I want to send you some compensation from my ZEC dev fee if you don't mind, just send me your ZEC address.
4. I'm not going to hide my fault in any way, I will post this message in my miner thread in first post.

adamvp

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Is there any way to switch to the second pool on the list?
If I press 'R' it goes to first pool even if first pool is active...

Strannik-74

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Quote from: nekkitt on November 06, 2016, 04:16:14 AM

Download links are empty. Could you fix it?

Mild to quote the entire forum? make it yours 1 offer on page 1? fucking idiot

zawawa

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Quote from: fredeq on November 06, 2016, 04:52:59 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on November 06, 2016, 04:45:08 AM

Quote from: fredeq on November 06, 2016, 04:40:57 AM

Any idea why 370 is faster than 380 (38 vs 30) and why
470 8GB is faster than 480 8GB? (44 vs 41)

set powerlimit +20 on the 480

No change at all. Not surprised tbh as I am not even hitting 100% TDP
Still havent modded those 480

Can anyone confirm that 470 8GB does more than 480 8GB(41) ?

Also the hash on 370 is insane... why 380 is hashing so low(30) ?

My 480's are doing 45-50 sol/s with tighter memory timings.

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Will be zcash Claymore miner for CPU?

Topic: Claymore's ZCash/BTG AMD GPU Miner v12.6 (Windows/Linux) - page 713. (Read 3839163 times)