Closed Thread - page 161. | Bitcointalksearch.org

Nodeclub

member

Activity: 84

Merit: 10

Quote from: sava0123 on December 01, 2014, 12:29:53 PM

If someone thinks he can ddos network then why don't he do it? And prove it to everybody? I can even name main peers for him.

Just empy talk as always.

Some guys tried to do this before and some newcomers come from time to time. The result is always the same

They know all about it, and I think we could use them as experts in the NodeNet security issue, but unfortunately they never leave contacts

fedoralite

sr. member

Activity: 548

Merit: 251

Quote from: whitecloud on December 01, 2014, 02:26:08 AM

I bought stakes, I bought nodes with 115, 80, 30, 70.
I don't sold even 1 NODE so far.
Keep it low to have time to buy more! Cool

Timeframe: 6 months +

I'll hold the coins during the year

sava0123

sr. member

Activity: 393

Merit: 250

If someone thinks he can ddos network then why don't he do it? And prove it to everybody? I can even name main peers for him.

Just empy talk as always.

Nodeclub

member

Activity: 84

Merit: 10

Quote from: starik69 on December 01, 2014, 07:18:47 AM

Quote from: TheRealSilk on November 30, 2014, 10:40:45 PM

Quote from: starik69 on November 30, 2014, 06:25:16 PM

Oh, so to put down the whole network one should simply ddos only main nodes? Shocked

No, How can You imagine this
Any Linux client can be main peers,
for the operation of network 100% us enough 1 main peer, and they can be 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers
we also wrote 10 000 connection, actually on technology node.js withstands over 100 000 connection

Oh, again strange answers. Roll Eyes

You say "Any Linux client can be main peers" - it means Any Linux client can be or cannot be main peers - so it means nothing. Angry

You say "for the operation of network 100% is enough 1 main peer, and they can be 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers" - so it means to shut down the whole network one should simply ddos only 1 main peer, 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers - so answer to my question is "Yes", not "No" Tongue

BTW, can NODE network consist of 10000 main peers and 1 non main peer? Or non main peers must always be 10x, 100x of main peers? Huh

We are not yet ready to disclose algorithms but I can responsibly say that it will be technologically impossible to ddos main peers in NODE NET - however as well as usual peers btw

whitecloud

sr. member

Activity: 450

Merit: 250

Too little information at this time about how the network actually works.
And as I said, I understand why it is so.
And as I said, I am confident that the developers know what they do.
The rest is speculations.

TheRealSilk

sr. member

Activity: 457

Merit: 250

Quote from: starik69 on December 01, 2014, 11:21:13 AM

And all they will stuck if something wrong happens with that 1? Grin

The network does not 1 main peers , their number can be unlimited
I say that 1 main peers conected from 10 000 to 100 000 connection. If you run the client on Linux through the key (example: forever start index.js -key:mainpeer) then you may be the main peer , then win all clients will connect to You and to other peers (win, linux), and if Your client will not work this does not affect the network. Because the other main peers will work

Why it works?
Because this transaction is transmitted instantaneously through a network of first and second level. Thereby this enables you to keep in touch with just a few clients, and Your transaction will be across the entire network through 2-10 open connection by technology node.js

jwilford

full member

Activity: 123

Merit: 100

Quote from: starik69 on December 01, 2014, 11:21:13 AM

Quote from: haggis on December 01, 2014, 07:58:15 AM

But in a pulsing network where nodes come and go in a high number

Lets talk facts, not fantasies. Cool

What is the number of nodes now? Wink

How it will be possible to grow this number to your "pulsing high number"? Huh

btw, what number is it? Roll Eyes

Quote from: haggis on December 01, 2014, 07:58:15 AM

1 main node would be enough to run a network with 10,000 clients.

And all they will stuck if something wrong happens with that 1? Grin

What I'm about to say has a lot of speculation so take it with a grain of salt.

My understanding of how it works is it's like a cue. People who join the network become leading nodes. When the maximum amount of leading nodes are present, new nodes attach to the leading nodes forming an "outer network" as leading nodes drop off the outer network fills their spot. This would also explain some of how the PoA works. The reason your time online is important is to determine if you are a leading node or on the outer network. I would then also assume when a leading node forges it moves to the outer network. If this is the case it would make transaction gaming even harder since you would have to forge a block then wait till you were a leading node again to start gaming, the whole time loosing transaction fees. Again this is what I have interpreted and extrapolated from what has been said but there is a lot of speculation in this. Either way it has been stated that outer nodes can and do take over for leading nodes and I can see no reason why the network would allow itself to have 1 leading node and 10,000 outer node if the outer nodes could simply become leading nodes.

whitecloud

sr. member

Activity: 450

Merit: 250

node religion Cheesy

certainly are issues that devs need to be overcome.
but still do not think it's trivial problems, as you've called you.

starik69

legendary

Activity: 1367

Merit: 1000

Quote from: haggis on December 01, 2014, 07:58:15 AM

But in a pulsing network where nodes come and go in a high number

Lets talk facts, not fantasies. Cool

What is the number of nodes now? Wink

How it will be possible to grow this number to your "pulsing high number"? Huh

btw, what number is it? Roll Eyes

Quote from: haggis on December 01, 2014, 07:58:15 AM

1 main node would be enough to run a network with 10,000 clients.

And all they will stuck if something wrong happens with that 1? Grin

starik69

legendary

Activity: 1367

Merit: 1000

Quote from: whitecloud on December 01, 2014, 07:34:13 AM

You think the team is stupid?
Not have thought about these obvious things (ddos, reliability, etc) ?

Crypti team also thought that they are not stupid Cheesy

Quote from: whitecloud on December 01, 2014, 07:34:13 AM

I think they know what they are doing and at the appropriate time we will have all the information.

You prefer to religiously believe in supremacy of NODE devs without bit of shadow of doubt? Roll Eyes

sava0123

sr. member

Activity: 393

Merit: 250

Quote from: Longclaw on December 01, 2014, 09:45:13 AM

I'm new to running the node client on linux (via raspberry pi). I followed the instructions on the doc page:

https://github.com/nodepay/Docs/blob/master/Instructions.md

How do I know the client is running correctly (ie. no stuck blocks, it's up to date & open, etc)? I can see the %cpu running high and the db file sizes increasing. Any log files or gui option?

I use api to create smal tx (1 Node). If client is ok transaction will pass if not you will get the response like "not synced yet".

https://github.com/nodepay/Docs/blob/master/Api.md

Edit. If cpu high then blockchain is still loading.

griffinriz

sr. member

Activity: 476

Merit: 250

Quote from: Hueristic on December 01, 2014, 09:52:39 AM

Quote from: threedream on December 01, 2014, 12:06:35 AM

Bter cheapest price 25 staoshi , who is dumping ?

0.00000063
Last

0.00000074
High

0.00000025
Low

25sat? wow its getting cheaper.

Hueristic

legendary

Activity: 3836

Merit: 4969

Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: threedream on December 01, 2014, 12:06:35 AM

Bter cheapest price 25 staoshi , who is dumping ?

0.00000063
Last

0.00000074
High

0.00000025
Low

Longclaw

newbie

Activity: 16

Merit: 0

I'm new to running the node client on linux (via raspberry pi). I followed the instructions on the doc page:

https://github.com/nodepay/Docs/blob/master/Instructions.md

How do I know the client is running correctly (ie. no stuck blocks, it's up to date & open, etc)? I can see the %cpu running high and the db file sizes increasing. Any log files or gui option?

wosch76

legendary

Activity: 942

Merit: 1026

Quote from: whitecloud on December 01, 2014, 02:26:08 AM

I bought stakes, I bought nodes with 115, 80, 30, 70.
I don't sold even 1 NODE so far.
Keep it low to have time to buy more! Cool

Timeframe: 6 months +

yeah, good time to stock up

my buy order at 62 was filled

haggis

hero member

Activity: 984

Merit: 1000

Quote from: starik69 on December 01, 2014, 07:18:47 AM

Quote from: TheRealSilk on November 30, 2014, 10:40:45 PM

Quote from: starik69 on November 30, 2014, 06:25:16 PM

Oh, so to put down the whole network one should simply ddos only main nodes? Shocked

No, How can You imagine this
Any Linux client can be main peers,
for the operation of network 100% us enough 1 main peer, and they can be 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers
we also wrote 10 000 connection, actually on technology node.js withstands over 100 000 connection

Oh, again strange answers. Roll Eyes

You say "Any Linux client can be main peers" - it means Any Linux client can be or cannot be main peers - so it means nothing. Angry

You say "for the operation of network 100% is enough 1 main peer, and they can be 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers" - so it means to shut down the whole network one should simply ddos only 1 main peer, 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers - so answer to my question is "Yes", not "No" Tongue

BTW, can NODE network consist of 10000 main peers and 1 non main peer? Or non main peers must always be 10x, 100x of main peers? Huh

Well, you are always "able" to DDOS every peer of a network to shut it down. What RealSilk means is, that the number of main nodes is neither limited nor static. Everyone of us can operate such a node. But yes, if only 10 people run such a node it would be easy to DDOS them. But in a pulsing network where nodes come and go in a high number, it's nearly impossible to DDOS all nodes at once. 1 main node would be enough to run a network with 10,000 clients.

whitecloud

sr. member

Activity: 450

Merit: 250

Nodeclub, I protect my investment actively.
Not passive. Tongue

whitecloud

sr. member

Activity: 450

Merit: 250

You think the team is stupid?
Not have thought about these obvious things (ddos, reliability, etc) ?
But as they say, they can not disclose all the information now.
I think they know what they are doing and at the appropriate time we will have all the information.
And that ultimately is a risk to give partial information (people can understand wrong things). But I understand their point of view.

starik69

legendary

Activity: 1367

Merit: 1000

Quote from: TheRealSilk on November 30, 2014, 10:40:45 PM

Quote from: starik69 on November 30, 2014, 06:25:16 PM

Oh, so to put down the whole network one should simply ddos only main nodes? Shocked

No, How can You imagine this
Any Linux client can be main peers,
for the operation of network 100% us enough 1 main peer, and they can be 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers
we also wrote 10 000 connection, actually on technology node.js withstands over 100 000 connection

Oh, again strange answers. Roll Eyes

You say "Any Linux client can be main peers" - it means Any Linux client can be or cannot be main peers - so it means nothing. Angry

You say "for the operation of network 100% is enough 1 main peer, and they can be 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers" - so it means to shut down the whole network one should simply ddos only 1 main peer, 10,1000,10000 ..... main peers - so answer to my question is "Yes", not "No" Tongue

BTW, can NODE network consist of 10000 main peers and 1 non main peer? Or non main peers must always be 10x, 100x of main peers? Huh

Nodeclub

member

Activity: 84

Merit: 10

Quote from: whitecloud on December 01, 2014, 03:03:41 AM

Over 1000 views at NODE in romanian: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=178.0
And you guys can write a few things about NODE in forums in other languages.
Even if it is not your native language. translate.google.com Wink

That is what I am used from english:

NODE
Starting from scratch in node.js, NODE is part of the second generation of cryptocoins. It's capable of 50-100 confirmations per second and algorithm is based on Proof of Activity, already implemented.
Generate blocks only there are transactions, thus eliminating the bloatware.
Since february will integrate NodePay EUR, USD and BTC: "this is not just crypto but payment processor"
The plan for short term development: http://blog.nodecoin.com/posts/node-short-term-development-plan
It has solid foundations and a great potential market. Currently much undervalued price.

More information: http://nodecoin.com/

Exchange: https://bter.com/trade/NODE_btc

NODE White Paper at: http://[Suspicious link removed]/yHqz5f

NODE on bitcointalk: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-thread-590421

NODE - Technical aspects:

Algorithm: Curve 25519

Type: Proof of Activity (PoA)

Block Time: 60 seconds

Node.js: v0.10.30

whitecloud,
Nice work

The more people know about the project, the faster Node technology become mainstream not only in tech, but also in terms of using by people. I think it's equally important.

Topic: Closed Thread - page 161. (Read 677703 times)