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Stand up , Stand up , Stand up !
September 19, 2014, 05:34:25 PM
The White Paper is great, please plan to fruition, thank you
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September 19, 2014, 05:11:39 PM
Also, regarding "instant transactions":

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As the name implies the transaction verification is executed at blazing speeds, allowing to have more than 50 confirmations within a second.

WOW, that sounds amazing!  But...

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That transaction is temporarily stored in local memory of all the active nodes that participated in the confirmation process, until the next block is generated.
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60s block generation timeframe

How could they be "instant" if blocks are generated every 60 seconds?  I think the Node developers are misusing the term "confirmation".  Going by their definition, every cryptocoin in the world has instant transactions!


Nice try to take things out of context.

Here's the full statement in the WP:

"Blocks

As accepted by the crypto community the Node’s Ledger is a conceived series of blocks linked together in a chain - referred as Blockchain.  The Ledger or Blockchain provides a transparent access to all the transactions that had or will happen in Node.

There are major differences between Node’s implementation of the blockchain concept, le’ts examine them:
No Empty blocks;
Lightweight;
60s block generation timeframe;
Double verification;


In comparison with other major cryptocurrencies such the 1st gen. Bitcoin and 2nd. gen. Nxt, Node doesn’t create empty blocks on top of already secured existing blocks, this measure assures quality over quantity. Forgers are rewarded with value, which increases their activity in the long run, the blockchain doesn’t get bloated and verification takes less time.

Due to the fact that blocks are created only on a demand basis, it gradually minimizes its size. Allowing for faster download and synchronization, this way reducing the physical size required to operate it locally, and amount of buffer to load it.

As already mentioned in the transaction section, blocks are generated on a demand basis, if there is at least 1 valid transaction the block is generated by the selected forger. So the indicator here is time, after a transaction is validated by the network, it automatically starts a countdown of 60 seconds, if more transactions are made within this timeframe, all of them will be included in the current block. The cron will restart after a new transaction is validated. These formula allows a maximum of 1440 Blocks per day ( 24h x 60s intervals). "

So to put it simply, I'm sure they meant that a block is created ONLY if within those 60 seconds there is a transaction, if there is no transaction, block creation is skipped and the timer restarts and scans for new transactions.  This slims down the block chain by not creating empty blocks and thus creating a smaller blockchain.  After those 60 seconds, if a block is created then that block will be trasmitted and instead of waiting another 60sec for another confirmation. That block will be confirmed almost instantly.


From the whitepaper:

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Node relies on an new mechanism for a secured an equitable forging process.

I don't think this is a fair statement, as the forging mechanism that Node is planning on using has already been done by Crypti.  The Node developers should give credit to Crypti.

Source code is not even released, yet you want to claim it's a copy.  How so if you don't even know how it actually was coded and how it really works.
hero member
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September 19, 2014, 04:26:37 PM
Whitepaper is extremely vague and English is horrible.

Lol.. english is horrible and estonian? is also horrible? What did you expect? A technical explanation from a dev point of view?
It was supposed to be this way. It's for normal users. Not for an expert like you who can see the matrix.
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September 19, 2014, 04:04:25 PM
Whitepaper is extremely vague and English is horrible.
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September 19, 2014, 04:02:16 PM
Now all we need is a Bittrex add... that would be huge. From spending a lot of time in IRC, it seems this coin is somehow flying beneath much of the crypto community's radar. I think once trex adds, we will get a lot of much-deserved attention.
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There can be only one!
September 19, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
node 0.8 works for me but not 0.9 .. why?

I just did a test and same here - 0.8 works fine for me on Win 8, 0.9 launches but crashes right away.

I'm sure the issue will be fixed for v1.0  Smiley

Try running 0.9_beta under "Run as administrator"

my wallet works perfect.


Mine too -- not running as admin, no issues. I did have issues with an older wallet though - don't remember the exact fix but I think I cleared out the NODE/nxtl folders in C:/Users/myusername/AppData/Local -- forces a resync to the blockchain, which fixed another sync issue I was having.
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September 19, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
node 0.8 works for me but not 0.9 .. why?

I just did a test and same here - 0.8 works fine for me on Win 8, 0.9 launches but crashes right away.

I'm sure the issue will be fixed for v1.0  Smiley
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legendary
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September 19, 2014, 02:03:02 PM
node 0.8 works for me but not 0.9 .. why?

Working for me.

working perfect for me too.
hero member
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September 19, 2014, 02:02:13 PM
node 0.8 works for me but not 0.9 .. why?

Working for me.
legendary
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September 19, 2014, 01:53:02 PM
node 0.8 works for me but not 0.9 .. why?
sr. member
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September 19, 2014, 01:40:20 PM
Bitcoin integration is a good idea, I'm happy for Node
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September 19, 2014, 01:38:28 PM
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As soon as a transaction is made, the network will be scouting the most active node by NodeHeight(by the longest activity + Nodes sent in the last 24h).

How will the network come to consensus which node is actually most active?


Your time of the first connection is transmitted over all network Node

when time is transmitted (let's call it join announcement), what are the time limits WHEN is join announcement is accepted?
Or in other words, can I send join announcement that would be "in the past"?

If there are any limits, do you have NTP implemented?
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September 19, 2014, 01:33:12 PM
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As soon as a transaction is made, the network will be scouting the most active node by NodeHeight(by the longest activity + Nodes sent in the last 24h).

How will the network come to consensus which node is actually most active?


Your time of the first connection is transmitted over all network Node
sr. member
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September 19, 2014, 01:32:15 PM
The whitepaper is awesome. Does node have any plans to include gold and Silver alongside USD and Euro integration?
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September 19, 2014, 01:29:11 PM
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As soon as a transaction is made, the network will be scouting the most active node by NodeHeight(by the longest activity + Nodes sent in the last 24h).

How will the network come to consensus which node is actually most active?
sr. member
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September 19, 2014, 01:19:52 PM
Would this PoA protocol not be susceptible to a "51% attack"?  An attacker, with enough nodes running, could simply send large amounts of Node back and forth between accounts (perhaps hundreds of transactions per second), thereby boosting its "spent amount" and take over all forging.  Yes, they would pay fees every time, but those fees would start to end back in their own hands, and the fees would be a drop in the bucket if they could manipulate the blockchain and steal money.

What is being done to prevent such an attack?

From the whitepaper:

"After syncing with the network, a node will become active, and will be able to generate blocks thus receiving rewards. After connecting to the network, the time of that connection will be recorded and constantly compared with other active nodes. As soon as a transaction is made, the network will be scouting the most active node by NodeHeight(by the longest activity + Nodes sent in the last 24h). When that node is identified it will be selected to generate the block, it will: send the intention, sign the block, validate , and consolidate it in the chain. After the generation the node’s NodeHeight is reseted. Time and 24h sent coin amount is calculated again, till the next positive generation call.

This is a simple and efficient method to select eligible forgers. In order for it to work properly rules will be involved to eliminate the possibility of gaming the system, for example:
Singles (blocks with only 1 transaction) will not be forged by the sender.
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I don't see how this answers my question.

I understood the general idea, it is a bit vague though.

Will wait for further details to be released.
legendary
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September 19, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
so what good is NODE if everyone will be using USD/EURO on the chain as it has the only real utility?

You will be able to pay for the USD / EUR in the store, and NodeBank will help get cash

Our client is easy to install for Online Store

Sorry do you mean you will be able to pay in store with NODE or be able to purchase USD/EURO with NODE?

He was trying to say, that you are able to buy with fiat trough NODE in online stores!

I understand that. But people will be using the FIAT on NODE network rather than NODEcoin .. So what utility has the coin?

Can you exchange NODEcoin for NODEusd/NODEeuro?

As i understand, for example(maybe wrong)
Bob send 100 USD to Alice through NODE network.
Inside the network, 100 USD converts to 1000 NODE, Alice gets 1000 NODE, and inside the Alice's wallet, 1000 NODE automaticly exchanges to 100 USD.
So there is no difference between NODE and BTC/USD/EUR/CNY/GBP/... It's just like a MARK or a TITLE for your money =)

I believe you are wrong and there is a stark difference between the 2. 100NODEusd is backed by 100usd in NODEbank, whereas NODEcoin is subject to its own supply/demand rules. What is the demand of NODEcoin when you can use NODEusd NODEeuro for purchases/transfering?
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September 19, 2014, 01:07:16 PM
At this time forging is set to random! So just by being online, you are able to generate a block!

It will take us a couple of weeks to fully integrate the PoA algorithm in the client!

Check the functional part in the white paper!


The PoA forging algorithm is really interesting, kinda innovative. But I have several questions:

1. Will I have to send ANY amount of Nodes during 24h (as stated in a whitepaper) to forge something? Or is it just a feature adding some points to my Nodeheight?

2. Does the network track and record somehow the IP address of each node besides its Nodeheight? I think there might be a vulnerability:
What stops us from cheating the system by creating several wallets with different addresses on our machines, turning them on and wait until each of them forge something?
It can be easily done by creating several virtual machines each having their own wallet switched on...
So in this case the Nodeheight will be determined for each wallet separately. Am I right?
legendary
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September 19, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Yes. Im very very impressed with the whitepaper. An easy read too with easy to understand explanations to complex ideas.
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September 19, 2014, 12:58:48 PM
I'll be the first then, renting out minecraft servers for NODE. PM me and tell me what you need in terms of specs and I'll be glad to help. I'll give 25% off per extra server. Give me an offer and I'll try to help you out Wink
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