[Closed]Avalon Chips - 0.081 BTC (Global+Escrow)-BATCH2 SECURED - page 16.

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Quote from: dddbtc on September 16, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

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I'm not sure I understand what this means for batch #1 refunds. Forgive my density, anyone care to elaborate/explain?

Batch #1 was odrered by escrow, and he placed a refund request at Avalon (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3119178), but funds are not refunded to his address yet.

Batch #2 was ordered by zefir, jointly for all EU group-buys (this, marto, bizwoo, Sebastian). Same as above: refund request placed, funds not arrived yet.

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Quote from: OracionSeis on September 16, 2013, 03:22:03 PM

Quote from: alchimista on September 16, 2013, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: OracionSeis on September 16, 2013, 11:22:14 AM

4. Refunds: [Edited: 13.Jun.2013]
Due to security reasons of the funds and the whole group-buy, there will be no refunds until the batch cannot be filled in any way and i decide to refund everybody. The maximum time a batch can be open is 6 weeks. In case avalon stops selling chips, all collected bitcoins will be transferred back to the senders.

What is that suppose to mean? We have to wait 6 weekst to get refunded?

This is relative to the order before batch #2 was filled.

So what about batch 2 ? We want refund and other gbs are already refunded.

I'm not sure I understand what this means for batch #1 refunds. Forgive my density, anyone care to elaborate/explain?

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Quote from: alchimista on September 16, 2013, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: OracionSeis on September 16, 2013, 11:22:14 AM

4. Refunds: [Edited: 13.Jun.2013]
Due to security reasons of the funds and the whole group-buy, there will be no refunds until the batch cannot be filled in any way and i decide to refund everybody. The maximum time a batch can be open is 6 weeks. In case avalon stops selling chips, all collected bitcoins will be transferred back to the senders.

What is that suppose to mean? We have to wait 6 weekst to get refunded?

This is relative to the order before batch #2 was filled.

So what about batch 2 ? We want refund and other gbs are already refunded.

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Quote from: OracionSeis on September 16, 2013, 11:22:14 AM

4. Refunds: [Edited: 13.Jun.2013]
Due to security reasons of the funds and the whole group-buy, there will be no refunds until the batch cannot be filled in any way and i decide to refund everybody. The maximum time a batch can be open is 6 weeks. In case avalon stops selling chips, all collected bitcoins will be transferred back to the senders.

What is that suppose to mean? We have to wait 6 weekst to get refunded?

This is relative to the order before batch #2 was filled.

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4. Refunds: [Edited: 13.Jun.2013]
Due to security reasons of the funds and the whole group-buy, there will be no refunds until the batch cannot be filled in any way and i decide to refund everybody. The maximum time a batch can be open is 6 weeks. In case avalon stops selling chips, all collected bitcoins will be transferred back to the senders.

What is that suppose to mean? We have to wait 6 weekst to get refunded?

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No btc has been refunded to the escrow address yet. Sad

https://blockchain.info/address/12o8iQqAve6yN6QnjhVg1yuaASb66jPJhs

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Quote from: juve4v on September 15, 2013, 05:08:56 PM

Quote from: OracionSeis on September 15, 2013, 02:24:45 PM

Why Steve is not saying anything?

+1 I want to know if the chips are refunded at this moment!

^^^ Same here

John K., is there ANY update you can provide regarding batch one refund? As the escrow intermediary your feedback is demonstrable. I know you’re dealing with a chaotic vender. I would appreciate any updates despite the weight!!!

-MiKe2K

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Quote from: OracionSeis on September 15, 2013, 02:24:45 PM

Why Steve is not saying anything?

+1 I want to know if the chips are refunded at this moment!

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Why Steve is not saying anything?

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When do we get refund? Chips and shipping...

And I don't get exactly why we can't get refunds on boards. As far as I know they were not made since we were told that chips will not be added at later date and since prototype start working week or two back I don't think anyone would used money to buy components before working prototype is ready.

And since I was forced in refund I would like to see invoice that shows that you used money on components or I will ask for refund on this to since board was not send... (terms and conditions say(or did say at the time I was ordering) I can do that).

If I can't then I would like to get a board so I can buy gen2 chips anywhere. In this case I don't need refund on shipping.

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Quote from: Plazma on September 14, 2013, 03:37:54 PM

Quote from: DobZombie on September 14, 2013, 05:36:47 AM

I think those that have purchased boards and chips should get a vote on whether or not to...

a) refund chips and profit margins on the boards (only 30-60% IF THAT)
Or
b) use the chip refund to purchase the new Avalon chips to put in the boards

I also read in other threads that Yifu is giving some groups discounts on the new chips to make up for the delay. We had better bloody get one too!

+1

Is there info on the new chps?

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Quote from: DobZombie on September 14, 2013, 05:36:47 AM

I think those that have purchased boards and chips should get a vote on whether or not to...

a) refund chips and profit margins on the boards (only 30-60% IF THAT)
Or
b) use the chip refund to purchase the new Avalon chips to put in the boards

I also read in other threads that Yifu is giving some groups discounts on the new chips to make up for the delay. We had better bloody get one too!

Is there info on the new chps?

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I think those that have purchased boards and chips should get a vote on whether or not to...

a) refund chips and profit margins on the boards (only 30-60% IF THAT)
Or
b) use the chip refund to purchase the new Avalon chips to put in the boards

I also read in other threads that Yifu is giving some groups discounts on the new chips to make up for the delay. We had better bloody get one too!

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Quote from: ujka on September 14, 2013, 03:57:44 AM

I think that chips will be refunded. The problem is refunding boards and assembly orders, if Steve already ordered and paid for parts and manufacturing. burnin is offering partial refunds (50%) to his customers, or a 70% for a transfer of the order on the next project (maybe bitfury board).

I'd hazard a guess that some kind of transfer will be available depending on Steve's proposal. I'm also fairly confident that some of the cost can be recouped for the boards, but this is the sticky point and depends entirely on how Steve deals with it.

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I think that chips will be refunded. The problem is refunding boards and assembly orders, if Steve already ordered and paid for parts and manufacturing. burnin is offering partial refunds (50%) to his customers, or a 70% for a transfer of the order on the next project (maybe bitfury board).

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Quote from: crazyates on September 13, 2013, 06:49:39 PM

Quote from: Henchman24 on September 13, 2013, 03:44:50 PM

All I'm saying is that there isn't money to refund everyone, so getting a refund is not a community solution.

Then what is?

Steve said he has something in the works. What that could be I have no idea. I could guess, but to what good? I have no reason to doubt him yet, he's put far more on the line than some other organisers. It would take some good news for this to be turned around though. I'm willing to wait to hear what it is.

I have doubts on Yifu's ability to refund everyone. That's pretty much my concern. Steve obviously can't talk about what's coming down the pike and we are all hostage to Yifu's ability or willingness to honour refunds.

We're all upset, time is of the essence, but there is nothing we can do but wait. As someone said in an earlier post, we are all chomping on a big shit sandwich. I think it's best to expect the worst case and hope for some off chance of salvage and at least getting something back.

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Quote from: Henchman24 on September 13, 2013, 03:44:50 PM

All I'm saying is that there isn't money to refund everyone, so getting a refund is not a community solution.

Then what is?

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Quote from: crazyates on September 13, 2013, 03:10:47 PM

Quote from: Henchman24 on September 13, 2013, 12:42:23 PM

Yep, it's a shit sandwich alright. However, knowing that the money has already been spent on components, what exactly do you expect Steve to do? He certainly can't refund us all. Are you attempting to be a squeaky wheel?

I don't know what you mean by squeaky wheel.

I don't have an answer, that's why I'm asking the community: What are we supposed to do? If the majority voted for a refund on the Avalon chips, and the batch that my chips were in got a refund instead of chips, what do I do with my assembly order that is now useless? I can't just throw those BTC away.

"Squeaky wheel gets the grease." - It means the person that complains the loudest gets dealt with first, basically.

I must have misunderstood. It seemed like you were specifically pushing Steve to refund, since you were quoting the refund policy from his website.

All I'm saying is that there isn't money to refund everyone, so getting a refund is not a community solution.

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This is my order. The refund can be sent to that address as soon as avalon sends the funds

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Quote from: Henchman24 on September 13, 2013, 12:42:23 PM

Yep, it's a shit sandwich alright. However, knowing that the money has already been spent on components, what exactly do you expect Steve to do? He certainly can't refund us all. Are you attempting to be a squeaky wheel?

I don't know what you mean by squeaky wheel.

I don't have an answer, that's why I'm asking the community: What are we supposed to do? If the majority voted for a refund on the Avalon chips, and the batch that my chips were in got a refund instead of chips, what do I do with my assembly order that is now useless? I can't just throw those BTC away.

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