Topic: Cloudbet scammed me for 1BTC - page 2. (Read 587 times)

You ask the same questions over and over again.
I answer everything you ask and it’s like it goes through one ear and comes out the other.
I’ve shared certified medical documentation saying that I am permanantly incapacited with mental health problems to the point where I am unable to work or fulfill tasks.

Do not ask me or question me why i signed up again. I am easily fooled and can be taken advantage of and I’ve proven that with medical documentation to LCB moderators.

Worry less about why I signed up, and focus more on why I was lied to by an operator who ultimately scammed me because they were dishonest for financial gain.

If you weren’t getting the support of each other, perhaps you wouldn’t be so hostile towards me in an attempt make me feel stupid and at fault. Your feeding off each other and it’s getting rather annoying.

Your either associated with Cloudbet or your broke and  feel spiteful that someone could “gamble” that much money and it’s effecting your judgement on the matter.

This whole scam accusation thread, and the condition you're in, will not exist if you didn't sign up with them on the first place, realizing that you shouldn't be able to play on them legally due to your own self-exclusion. You said that you have no bad intention when you sign up, then can you tell everybody here why did you still signed up although you know there's a restriction against you playing that you set yourself? And, as you stated yourself, you won't complain if you win.

How is that not a bad faith? You read an advertisement, you know you can't play, still play anyway. If you won and managed to withdraw your winning, you won't complain, if you experienced an issue, you'll... well, here we are.

So yeah, this whole scam accusation is flawed, you raise it simply because you lose on the "game" you tried to play them.

Let me correct you here. It’s both mine and the operators responsibility to abide by the laws of my jurisdiction (this is also included in Cloudbets Curacao license fyi).
They lied that they were legal, licensed and compliant - which ultimately lead to me signing up so although I share responsibility - that argument becomes flawed given I was fooled into a false representation by the operator.

You also called this a “flawed” scam accusation.
The meaning of scam is a dishonest scheme for your own gain. This is not a flawed scam accusation, I’ve submitted enough evidence and screenshots to prove Cloudbets dishonesty. Perhaps the reason you keep challenging is that you havnt grasped the meaning of a scam to begin with.

Also, The terms and conditions you sent becomes invalid when your actively lured into breaking those exact terms you shared by the operator who set them..

wow, i  agree 100%

Abzzy while i fully sympathise with  you, the money is gone and your time would be well spent  on your future instead of the past, There is very very low chance u will get the coins back and its not beneficial to waste more resources chasing it... all the best

No, the amount doesn't matter, and that wasn't the point of the post. What matters is your mistake in gambling with an amount you didn't want to lose, hence this flawed scam accusation.

No, it's not spite or jealousy, or the lack of a decent amount of collected BTC during the years. You can try to turn this into something personal of me against you but it's not going to work. Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose and then come here to say, you know what, I shouldn't have been allowed to gamble in the first place, so I want my money back.

It's your responsibility to adhere to the laws of the territory you reside in. If Australia prohibits online gambling in unlicensed online casinos, you are the one that needs to ensure where you can and can't play regardless of what anyone tells you on the street, online, or via marketing materials. You broke your nations gambling laws.

Here are two points you might find interesting from Cloudbet's T&Cs:
https://www.cloudbet.com/en/help/terms

What is $10 to one person may be 1 Bitcoin to another, so once again your logic is flawed as the amount doesn’t change right and wrong and certainly doesn’t mean I burdon the entire blame.

Perhaps your bias because you can’t imagine yourself ever having, let alone betting 1 Bitcoin so there’s a sense of spite? I’m not sure but that’s what I’m starting to feel based i. Your language and views throughout this discussion.

So, you are comparing your situation where you gambled and lost to a huge Ponzi scheme and its organizer who defrauded people of tens of billions of dollars? Apples and oranges.

Exactly, because he ran a Ponzi scheme and stole money. You gambled your money away on an online casino and now you want it back.

Dear Abzzy, you have a very serious problem with gambling, which is the reason you deposited not $1 or $10 but 1 Bitcoin and lost it. The sooner you realize it's your fault, the sooner the recovery process can start. You will never recover by blaming me or other people for your misfortunes.

So I guess everyone who invested with Bernie Madoff (google him if you don’t know) also isn’t owed anything.
Because they lost their money investing/stock market? NO
He lied to his clients, falsified facts of what he was doing/where  the money was going and ultimately got exposed. He got sentenced to 150 YEARS in prisons

No one victimised the investors for bad decisions, the Ponzi scheme liar was held accountable due to lying  for financial gain.
Which is exactly what I’ve proven Cloudbet to be doing.

You sound like you have a serious problem with the concept of gambling and it’s impacting your judgement on this matter. I can’t think of why else you’ve shoved all of the false statements and lies from Cloudbet aside and targeted me as at fault.

I have come to my conclusions based on everything I have seen and read here. I have no relationship with Cloudbet nor do I care about them one bit. If they owed you money, I would be one of the people sending them PMs asking for them to respond here. I have done that in the past several times. But they don't owe you anything because you lost it gambling. 

To both of you.

Using  statements like “not an innocent victim” , “intelligent enough to take advantage” , “got himself a loophole and tried to manipulate it”  is DISGUSTING after I’ve literally told you multiple times that I’m permanently incapacitated to the point where I am unfit to work a job or fulfil any meaningful tasks.

I’m not permanently excluded from gambling  strictly due to having a gambling problem but because I have psychological injuries and I’m mentally vulnerable.

I forwarded my certified medical documents to lcb.org moderators, my confirmation is in the thread and you can go ahead and ask them.

I didn’t lie to cloudbet, I signed up as an AUSTRALIAN, with my name, address and personal details.
I had no bad intent at the time like you suggest. They had bad intent and they blatantly lied and I’ve provided enough evidence and information to prove that.

I’ve provided this thread to Cloudbet and asked them to respond. If what you were saying were even the slightest bit true they would have came here and spoken out.
Instead their in hiding, whilst you two, not knowing a thing about them are the ones here standing up for them.

Depends on the detail of the case, either they do or they don't. When people are strictly fooled by the promotion, then I believe they deserve their money back. Your case, though, IMHO and sadly, no, because your case is not an innocent who got tricked by a promotion. As I --and Pmalek-- said before, Cloudbet's marketing and your situation should be treated as two different case.

Your case is about someone who realized he got himself a loophole and tried to manipulate it. Can you tell me in all honesty that you were compelled to play without fully realizing you shouldn't be able play there due to your own self-exclusion? As someone who take a length to be ID-based self-excluded, I believe you were not that naive that you didn't realize the implication of those marketing. And, if you do realize the implication and still played anyway, who's the victim now?


And... who lied to who here, again?

I don't think you were fooled at all. I think you knew what you were doing. I think you were trying to create a win-win situation when you saw those advertisements by Cloudbet. You are now using their miss-advertisement to play the victim here. I will repeat what I said earlier. You gambled and lost. That part is fair play.

You knew you couldn't gamble on an Australian-licensed casino. If you had won and withdrawn the money from Cloudbet, you would be perfectly fine with that scenario and wouldn't be complaining about your mental problems. Since you lost, you are now trying to pressure the casino into giving you the coins back.

I personally don't believe you. I am sorry if you are ill and hope you get better one day. Nevertheless, I don't see you as an innocent victim who was tricked here. I see you as someone intelligent enough to take advantage of it for self-benefit.     

Based on that logic, anyone who is  tricked or fooled into giving another party money based on false representations doesn’t deserve to get their money back.
The fact that the suspect lied to them and deceived them should not be tied to the fact their money is gone.
All scam victims must look in a mirror and accept their fate, and all scam suspect shall be forgiven.

I’m not sure where you reside, but in australia - that gets you jailed. Also in a civil court matter, the only person held liable is the person who lied.
I’m sure in your jurisdiction it’s the same, might wanna have a look.

That makes you dealing in bad faith.

There's a chance if a casino outside Australia's jurisdiction accept you and you lost significant bet, you'll quite likely complained that you lost hefty sum of fund on that casino despite you've made yourself self-excluded by Australian govt. and that casino should never be allowed to accept your registration as you've been ID-blacklisted by your govt. Thus, suing them just like this case.

For this case, though, the possibility of dealing in bad faith is even worse. You know you're forbidden by your govt., you've made sure you're self-excluded from any gambling casino with Australian jurisdiction, so Cloudbet's false advertisement "shouldn't be" matter as you should have know you'll ended up never being able to play with them. Suppose you didn't lose your bet, you win, and then on withdrawal phase you're forbidden from playing because they identified your self-exclusion after KYC, you'll still come here with the same complaint, this time the thread will titled "cloudbet refused my 1 BTC withdrawal". If you play, win, and managed to successfully WD, though, it'll be just like you admitted,


Was it not dealing in a bad faith? If you won and managed to WD, you won't be complaining. If you won and couldn't WD due to the KYC, you'll say they cheated you because you can't get your hand on it. If you lose, even without the false advertisement, you'll say they shouldn't allow you to play due to the nation-wide self-exclusion. The compulsion of the mislading advertisement is not necessary element here, you should have known that you can't play on that casino, no matter what, due to your ID-based self-exclusion. So, why did you?

I won't say Cloudbet didn't do wrong with the advertisement and jurisdiction, but I agree with what Pmalek said earlier on this thread, that Cloudbet's advertisement and your case should be separate case.

You are again targeting my mistake and lapse of judgement which I never denied. The only thing I could possibly respond to that with is I’m a previous problem gambler as well as someone who is medically deemed psychologically permanently incapacitated with mental health problems- it has prevented me from working a job for 14 months. So yes I did create an account and deposited under those circumstances.

That does NOT excuse  Cloudbet from false advertisements, lies told by their operators and the  manipulation of users to inevitably breach their terms and conditions, which should be seen none other than exploitation and scam practice.

OK, so you are fully aware that you wouldn't be able to register and verify your account on any regulated online casino in Australia. So what does a person who wants to gamble do in that situation? One way to get around that would be to register on a gambling site that isn't subject to Australian regulations. If you believed Cloudbet's words and marketing that they are licensed and fully regulated in Australia, why then would you sign up when you know that you can't verify your account and get your money in the end? It makes no sense.

Thank you for this added info about your activity as well as the "KYC"-tied self-exclusion. If I may change my question, other than cloudbet, do you still play on other online casinos after that self-exclusion?

I didn’t self exclude from each of them manually, there’s a form that gets submitted directly to the regulator.

It’s important to note that exclusions in Australia are not IP related or anything like that. You are basically unable to verify an account given that your identification will flag the exclusion.


I’m going to answer this for you again with something quiet logical.
I gambled a lot in my life, that would mean spending time on websites, finding tips/tricks, looking up articles and forums related to betting etc. God knows where I put my email address and how Cloudbet got it, but they did.

For an operator that I’ve proven has lied time and time again, I’m not sure why anyone would be surprised if they have some back room dirty tactics to get this sort of information.

If there was more to the story then what I’m telling you, why wouldn’t Cloudbet have used that against me in the ample amount of communication I’ve submitted in my post, rather than continuing to lie time and time again that they were Australian licensed?

I wonder how he has self-excluded himself in the first place. This is a register of licensed gambling sites in Australia, so according to OP, he is self-excluded from all of them and perhaps more in case the list isn't up-to-date. I doubt he has done it manually. Perhaps he has contacted the licensing authorities in charge of these casinos/sportsbooks and asked them for self-exclusion. @Abzzy?

Yes, I've read about his complaint on LCB, the issue to be highlighted here is that OP state he's proactively made himself self-excluded from gambling platform in Australia, as such, if he plays [played?] fair, his risk of being exposed to a targeted email for gambling market should be somewhat minimal, because he'll be "protected" from online and offline gambling platforms, he can't play on any offline casino [obviously] and can't sign up with any online Australia-authorized casino. Unless... he bypassed the Australia georestriction and played online somewhere else, from where his email address then leaked and expose him to the targeted marketing. Which means, in tone with what you said, it's fair to assume case similar to this one have happened before. Which lead us to a possibility there's more to OP's story than he repetitively tell us.