Topic: ✳️CoinLenders/Inputs.io depositors: Reimbursement available (please read!) - page 4. (Read 4628 times)

It doesn't really matter a whole lot, but imagine for a second that what Tradefortress has said is true and he was hacked, and is returning 5 years later to try to make amends to his customers, you come by asking everyone reveal the transactions implying that not only is Tradefortress is a fraud but we might be part of it. Tradefortress could easily just list all of the transactions, but he doesn't out of respect to his customers. I expressed that I prefer it that way and you post the information anyway.
That's just real sweet of you.

Ya it worked out so well last time. Maybe this time you can post the name of the bank I use?

Maybe, only he really knows. Though I've gotten far more returns in purchasing power than I ever hoped to gain by investing in Coinlenders. If I could guarantee the same results, I'd do it all over again. (Obviously it was still a bad idea, and would still be a bad idea.)


This is patronizing. I knew to be cynical back in 2013, and I especially know it now. It wouldn't have helped me then, and it's not helpful now. I know that's blunt, and I'm sure you have good intentions, but I wish if I could go back I could have given myself very different advice.

I don't disagree with you per se, but focusing on cynicism is guiding people toward looking at investing the wrong way. There's all kinds of ways you can still get burned even if you're cynical. That's what really grated on me when I read it.

Edit: Whatever. I should've just posted my own thoughts rather than being argumentative. I apologize.

Escrow?

This scumbag by the name "TradeFortress" https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tradefortress-67058  also Known as "MICHAEL MORIARTY" is still scamming.  He came up with this topic a couple of days ago https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41977642 ; which he was somehow involved in. We had an off escrow deal for the 20 BTC bounty but decided to fuck me over after submitting proof of work.

HERE IS MY DEAL.. AM SELLING THIS FUCKER'S PERSONAL INFO.  Anyone willing to work with me to bring him down, Welcome on Board too.

REAL PERSONAL INFO INCLUDING RELATIVES and THE REST.

Lets finally lay this asshole to rest. Anyone interested PM me with your offers... Open to work with anyone genuine.

Regards.

No offense but it’s annoying to me that you expect me to blindly accept text from a few somewhat unknown accounts as being fact, without anyone actually providing any proof. My intent was not to imply anyone was in on any deception, I just wanted a little verification - and I assumed others would as well.

Regardless, I’ve found recent transactions which appear to be showing you receiving 2 reimbursements roughly 2 weeks ago, so it appears TradeFortress is actually sending large reimbursements. But that doesn't mean he's a saint.

I personally don’t care how many bitcoins you have, and if your story is legitimate, I’m happy you recovered some of your coins, but it looks like you’ve only gotten back ~62% of what you were scammed, according to your numbers, and while I’m sure that is exciting considering the conversion rates, he’s potentially had your coins for 5 years… and still could have ~38% of them somewhere.

Ok you learned some lessons and even though you had done your research, still got scammed. And seriously, you should share the rest of your lessons learned, they will not be a bore and may help others. But, I'm still not sure what any of this has to do with my advice, which essentially was for victims to play nicely to get their coins back but do not trust the account or who is behind it.

Credibility is certainly not a guarantee but I believe it is a needed indicator, one of multiple, that people should include in their decision making process. I've heard and seen through plenty of lies that a speaker may believe (Josh Zerlan comes to mind)… and it's generally done through knowledge/research (credibility is looked at here), being inquisitive, and using deductive reasoning / logic. There are certainly no guarantees this would make any difference but it doesn't mean people should stop trying.

I agree.

Well, I just received my reimbursement from TF today, It's going to be buffet treat tonight!
Thank you TF you made my day

You claim my information aint credible yet you asked for the link between the hacker and elllee and prove that elllee was involved in the hack, which i went ahead  and gave you without further adue. Something tells me you are directly or somehow involved in this scam as well. You once pulled a similar scam in 2013, where you directly impersonated a scam. I will open a new thread based on you but meanwhile I will go ahead and post full finding reports on both threads...let people judge why I do not qualify for the bounty yet a random hacker who offered nothing but an IP got a fee. And yea, you might be calling fake shots on the re-embursment bullshit to pull another scam . Will make sure it doesnt work... Watch this.

I’m going to address this only once, but the bounty is for information that leads to the arrest of the scammer. This has not happened. While you have provided information, like dox of the person who owns the website (that was hacked), you have provided no evidence that the owner is behind the hacks, despite my repeated requests for you to do so, and based on public and private information I have every indication suggests the owner is NOT the hacker. Instead, you claim through “years of dark net analyst experience” that you are certain he is the hacker... which I do not find credible.

Your information isn’t credible and do not fill the requirements of the bounty. Please stop messaging me. I am not going to be commenting or responding further on this matter.

I'm sure your intentions are good, but this really annoys me for two reasons. The first is I made the mistake of telling people how much bitcoin I had the first go-around and I don't intend on repeating that mistake. So the implication that we aren't posting the transaction and therefore possibly in on Tradefortress' potential deception is annoying.

The second is that this advice is useless. I've had a lot of time to reflect on the large amount of bitcoins I thought I lost, and there were many lessons that I learned that I won't bore you with. The most relevant lesson here is that controlling risk has very little to do with the "credibility" of the source. When I gave over my bitcoins to Tradefortress I spent days looking through his history and I couldn't find a single credible accusation against him, he clearly had a lot of knowledge about security, and even spent a lot of time pointing out vulnerabilities and scams in other offerings back in 2013.

My point is none of this made any difference whatsoever. It wouldn't have made any difference with MtGox, Theranos, Coinlenders or all kinds of other failed companies we could talk about. Credibility is a borderline worthless indicator, because everyone can make mistakes, and no one can hear a lie that the speaker believes.

So ya, don't invest in companies you don't trust, duh, but don't invest in companies just because you trust them either.

Am starting to give the neagtive comments here a credibility. I did a bounty work for TF 3 days ago for 20 BTC , off escrow deal only to be ignored by him after work delivery. If I don't get any response from him within the next 24 hours... I guess il be counting a broken egg. Until then il be patient and drop him a benefit of doubt.

TF knows enough to not ask for money via his TF account. I don’t think anyone would give him money anyway, at least not anything substantial.

The above won’t stop him from collecting money from others unfortunately. See the hashie scam that he has been accused of being behind. I doubt he is the only one who can pull off these kinds of scams. It just highlights the importance of performing due diligence prior to trusting your money with others.

Until he asks people for bitcoins in the future.  :/

Relax, I’m I will not be asking anyone for bitcoins in the future.

Words of advice: During this time where TradeFortress will be trying to re-establish credibility for an upcoming scam, play nice, get as many of your scammed coins back as you can, and then never communicate with this account again. If he truly wants credibility re-established, he can wait 5 years after returning your coins just like you did.

Also, for the record, anyone who claims they are receiving anything should be posting transaction links.

TF contacted me via email and refunded me the remaining 70% of my CL balance a couple of days ago.  I have removed the negative trust rating I placed with his account years ago.   

I didn't see this thread until just now.   So he wasn't refunding me in response to a request from my end.  The CL debacle (and TF's "disappearance" shortly thereafter) was far from what anyone would consider "handled in an ideal way," but the fact that he's trying to make good on the mistakes of the past is really encouraging.  There have been so many scams and so much greed in the cryptocurrency community over the years...this result is practically the very last thing I would have expected to happen, today or any other day.

I had long written off the BTC I lost at CL as a "hard lesson learned," and nothing much more to say/think/hope for.  To say the least, this was a happy surprise indeed.


For reference purposes:

Back in 2013, TF offered a refund of approximately 30% of my CL balance...and I begrudgingly accepted.   (I had placed far too much of my BTC balance into Coinlenders, so after it was clear that we weren't going to have our balances refunded -- "cutting bait" and getting something rather than nothing seemed like the only viable option.)   

My balance was less than 10 BTC -- not much by some standards, but it was almost all of the BTC I had back then.   (Ah, the follies of youth.)  I can confirm that the amount TF refunded to me was (AFAICT) the correct amount to "make me whole" for the BTC that was lost on his service.   

Many people cannot see past their own selfish interests.  :/

Hello Trade! Would you be interested in getting posts about your refund on major crypto websites? That might let more people know who might not check this forum anymore. Let us know

That is absolutely absurd. He ran away with the coins in the first place.

To clarify, the balance was reimbursed in full as it was a small balance Enjoy your BTC!

wow! i thought i already lost my coinlender/inputs investments years ago.  i was keeping silent during the last few days after TF promised to send back my funds.  i wasn't sure if TF was just trolling around or not.  upon checking my balance just now, wow!!! it's true.  my funds are sent back to me in full.  kudos to TF's courage to come out and settle old loans.

I also received a large refund.