Coins being manipulated by crypto whales

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Quote from: ? on December 05, 2024, 03:16:52 AM

Smart money flows in mysterious ways.
Of course, they wouldn't do it in loss for themselves - they would use the sentiment and analysis at their disposal to make the best entry and stop points for themselves.
Ordinary people can't compete with such robust funds and power behind it - only try to follow it and the sentiment.

This concept and the terms are new for me as I am learning more about them but one thing is for sure in my sight and that is, ordinary people won't be ordinary anymore if he knew more about them and how mysteriously they react to market situation. I mean if I only come to know that they are expecting this much profit from their investments I can keep my assets safe from big dumps that will lead to bear cycle and I can avoid traps as well.

Competing with $100 to $1000 investment haha not a chance We need billions to compete with them. Like how much profit is MSTR is making now is in billions.

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Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

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Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

I have been in charge of a few coins (tokens) before and I can tell you that if you go low enough in rankings, there are tokens that are controlled by just one or two people, sometimes it's the devs because they give themselves a lot, but nowadays it's whales and that is not really that great for the market because if there are few people who can crash it any given time, there is no way that it will go up.

These whales try to make sure that they can get out, after all the volume and liquidity doesn't allow them to sell it all at a good price, they would crash the price if they do that and would not help, but at the same time they do not let it grow too much neither by selling whenever there is a pump, their only aim is to get the most and get out.

At least it doesn't happen on that scale with big coins.
Their sheer trading volume and cap can't be toppled down.
Currently, that is.
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Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

I have been in charge of a few coins (tokens) before and I can tell you that if you go low enough in rankings, there are tokens that are controlled by just one or two people, sometimes it's the devs because they give themselves a lot, but nowadays it's whales and that is not really that great for the market because if there are few people who can crash it any given time, there is no way that it will go up.

These whales try to make sure that they can get out, after all the volume and liquidity doesn't allow them to sell it all at a good price, they would crash the price if they do that and would not help, but at the same time they do not let it grow too much neither by selling whenever there is a pump, their only aim is to get the most and get out.

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Quote from: Faisal2202 on December 04, 2024, 01:52:00 PM

Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

I think these crypto whales can easily manipulate the price of Alts especially because manipulating the price of BTC while institutional investors and ETFs and governments have invested and have funds in it is hard. Alts are easier because they can have low cap, high cap and mid cap so whales with enough money can easily pump and dump the price of a token not a big deal for them.

Overall, manipulating higher caps needs more efforts because the big investors have to move their funds, on CMC we can see which alt coin have how much holders or whales still holding onto their funds and we know when more of them will start moving their funds to exchanges that could mean the selling of the token. I also think that whales now don't play a big role in dumping the price of BTC especially because it has become more big then their buyings, and the ETFs and the adoption rate has made those whales look small.

Smart money flows in mysterious ways.
Of course, they wouldn't do it in loss for themselves - they would use the sentiment and analysis at their disposal to make the best entry and stop points for themselves.
Ordinary people can't compete with such robust funds and power behind it - only try to follow it and the sentiment.

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Quote from: taufik123 on December 04, 2024, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: pawanjain on December 04, 2024, 11:21:36 AM

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We have also seen Elon Musk manipulating Dogecoins like a piece of cake just using twitter.
So yeah, crypto whales do have that power to manipulate any coin.

Elon has different levels of manipulation and as the richest person in the world, what he writes on his X account will be very influential.

Now DOGE is increasingly being reviewed by Elon and also stands for Department of Government Efficiency,
which is an American presidential commission requested by Trump. Involving the DOGE name is certainly the best way to promote DOGE continuously.

And for other crypto whales, they have a huge amount of assets that are able to shake the price well when they start buying and selling and some whales are also using the mainstream media as a place to spread FUD and news in order for the crypto market to be affected.

DOGE also moves due to the overall sentiment - bullish market means bullish moves.
Elon is an interesting man - and he does things like a wild card sometimes.

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Of course, in the crypto world, the role of whales is a major factor in price movements, especially altcoins. It can also be said that whales in the crypto world play an important role in shaping market dynamics. However, with the openness of technology and transparency that crypto has, we can track the movements of whales who sometimes secretly move their assets. This makes us as small investors have to be smart in seeing whale movements by analyzing and monitoring their movements to estimate potential price changes. What is certain is that market price movements certainly consist of many things ranging from news, moments and of course whale manipulation. So be smart in investing so you can get profit in reading the direction of market movements.

You are right because when we can see opportunities based on mature observations, it will make much greater profits because whales in certain conditions will try to pump the assets they have so that if we can see them playing market dynamics, overall it can be beneficial in terms of profit. Small investors must often see developments and read as much as possible so that they can see certain conditions. Investing in coins that are less potential does have a big risk, but when our ability to analyze the movement of the coin is good, it will create opportunities to make a profit. But if you don't want to take big risks then just invest in bitcoin as a much safer step.

Yeah, some forget that BTC is always there and it would be much easier to do things with it than with alts.
More time is needed, but that's literally it in terms of investing in it.

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Quote from: michellee on December 05, 2024, 02:21:25 AM

Quote from: FortuneFollower on December 04, 2024, 04:48:34 AM

Yep, - that would bury them deep down when playing around with fire.
Memes burn bright, but they are extinguished as easily.
Nowadays, without analysis - you are a dead fish for the people on the market.
That's why it's better to not get involved with memes that much - it's always a risky game at stake.

Meme will replace to the other new trends. But people will still follow the new trend and they are trying to make a profit with that thing. That is why we must have skill to analyze the market situation and conditions so we can act according to the situation. We can follow meme trend or the next trend but we must still be careful if we don't want to get scam. If the crypto whales already moves, they can lift the price to the next high level of the price but they can also dump with their existing amount so the price will be back to the price before. People seems want a challenge so they will participate in the risky things such as meme without understand that can gives them a big lose.

Even if there was a meme trend, and there is to some extent - not worth it in my opinion to try to flip some memes, only with a small portion of funds allocated to it due to how dangerous it may be.
It may be done into the profit, but that would be 1 to 100 chance, or even 1000.

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Quote from: FortuneFollower on December 04, 2024, 04:48:34 AM

Yep, - that would bury them deep down when playing around with fire.
Memes burn bright, but they are extinguished as easily.
Nowadays, without analysis - you are a dead fish for the people on the market.
That's why it's better to not get involved with memes that much - it's always a risky game at stake.

Meme will replace to the other new trends. But people will still follow the new trend and they are trying to make a profit with that thing. That is why we must have skill to analyze the market situation and conditions so we can act according to the situation. We can follow meme trend or the next trend but we must still be careful if we don't want to get scam. If the crypto whales already moves, they can lift the price to the next high level of the price but they can also dump with their existing amount so the price will be back to the price before. People seems want a challenge so they will participate in the risky things such as meme without understand that can gives them a big lose.

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Quote from: ndutndut on December 04, 2024, 02:35:05 PM

Of course, in the crypto world, the role of whales is a major factor in price movements, especially altcoins. It can also be said that whales in the crypto world play an important role in shaping market dynamics. However, with the openness of technology and transparency that crypto has, we can track the movements of whales who sometimes secretly move their assets. This makes us as small investors have to be smart in seeing whale movements by analyzing and monitoring their movements to estimate potential price changes. What is certain is that market price movements certainly consist of many things ranging from news, moments and of course whale manipulation. So be smart in investing so you can get profit in reading the direction of market movements.

You are right because when we can see opportunities based on mature observations, it will make much greater profits because whales in certain conditions will try to pump the assets they have so that if we can see them playing market dynamics, overall it can be beneficial in terms of profit. Small investors must often see developments and read as much as possible so that they can see certain conditions. Investing in coins that are less potential does have a big risk, but when our ability to analyze the movement of the coin is good, it will create opportunities to make a profit. But if you don't want to take big risks then just invest in bitcoin as a much safer step.

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Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

Coins that are easily manipulated by crypto whales are those coins that the vast majority of them are in their custody and they can easily have effect on them anytime they want, whether on the bullish side or bearish side. Coins with high market cap are not easily manipulated as it has already being circulated more amongst investors and the majority of them cannot be manipulated just by an entity or a claimed crypto whale. Altcoins are easily more manipulated but those with higher market cap are not mostly found in that category and cannot be manipulated easily. The decentralized nature of most of this coins are what have made them to have so much vulnerability to being controlled by a person or a group of proclaimed whales who most times happen to be the owner of the projects and always wanting to make profits for themselves as they can control the market price of it.

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Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

Altcoins are indeed much easier to manipulate by whales because they can liquidate retail traders in and out of the market so quickly that a coin can go up or down. Bitcoin or ETH which has a high value can also be manipulated when they try to play the market but does not show a big effect like in altocin. It's the same as when we talk about the effects of the US presidential election like yesterday where the price of bitcoin could soar even though overall it was not determined by a single event. That's why smart investors will see the moment to make money in the altcoin market because in conditions of manipulation it will cause a high price increase so they will sell all altcoins to make maximum profit.

Of course, in the crypto world, the role of whales is a major factor in price movements, especially altcoins. It can also be said that whales in the crypto world play an important role in shaping market dynamics. However, with the openness of technology and transparency that crypto has, we can track the movements of whales who sometimes secretly move their assets. This makes us as small investors have to be smart in seeing whale movements by analyzing and monitoring their movements to estimate potential price changes. What is certain is that market price movements certainly consist of many things ranging from news, moments and of course whale manipulation. So be smart in investing so you can get profit in reading the direction of market movements.

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Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

I think these crypto whales can easily manipulate the price of Alts especially because manipulating the price of BTC while institutional investors and ETFs and governments have invested and have funds in it is hard. Alts are easier because they can have low cap, high cap and mid cap so whales with enough money can easily pump and dump the price of a token not a big deal for them.

Overall, manipulating higher caps needs more efforts because the big investors have to move their funds, on CMC we can see which alt coin have how much holders or whales still holding onto their funds and we know when more of them will start moving their funds to exchanges that could mean the selling of the token. I also think that whales now don't play a big role in dumping the price of BTC especially because it has become more big then their buyings, and the ETFs and the adoption rate has made those whales look small.

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Quote from: pawanjain on December 04, 2024, 11:21:36 AM

-snip-
We have also seen Elon Musk manipulating Dogecoins like a piece of cake just using twitter.
So yeah, crypto whales do have that power to manipulate any coin.

Elon has different levels of manipulation and as the richest person in the world, what he writes on his X account will be very influential.

Now DOGE is increasingly being reviewed by Elon and also stands for Department of Government Efficiency,
which is an American presidential commission requested by Trump. Involving the DOGE name is certainly the best way to promote DOGE continuously.

And for other crypto whales, they have a huge amount of assets that are able to shake the price well when they start buying and selling and some whales are also using the mainstream media as a place to spread FUD and news in order for the crypto market to be affected.

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Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

I won't deny the fact that manipulation does occur in crypto market because we have all seen some pump and dump coins.
The thing is, it requires a higher liquidity to manipulate cryptocurrencies and so whales decide to target coins which have a lower marktecap.
It becomes easier to them to manipulate the price and this is reason why we haven't seen large cap coins being manipulated.

Do you mean Bitcoin is not manipulated? Don't be so naive, because there are many ways to manipulate the market other than just using large amounts of money to manipulate. They can manipulate the market just by news and that is enough for them to make huge profits.

Remember when the Mt.gox news caused the bitcoin to be dumped? Remember the ETF news posted by cointelegraph or the SEC Twitter account being hacked?...all of these were blatant price manipulation, not accidents or random errors caused by employees. Any market will be manipulated and markets that are too free will be manipulated even more. Don't think that large caps can't be manipulated because there are many ways to manipulate the market.

Yes ofcourse, news does play a vitol role in market manipulation and has in fact been an easier way instead.
I was being specific to market manipulation by crypto whales using pump and dump schemes which require a higher liquidity.
But as you said, large cap coins can be manipulated too. We have also seen Elon Musk manipulating Dogecoins like a piece of cake just using twitter.
So yeah, crypto whales do have that power to manipulate any coin.

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Quote from: fikrett on December 04, 2024, 04:50:33 AM

BTC offers much smaller percents in terms of gains - but they are at least stable.
That's the difference between the king and his pawns - some of them lack the ambition and are not credible from the start.
But big alts are worthy going in, in my opinion, especially during this stage on the market.

It still depends on the conditions too if we look at the percentage rate of gains in some coins including Bitcoin. Because for those who were able to buy more Bitcoin at the beginning of this year, of course the profit rate is also very large if they sold it last month or this month mate. But for altcoins, it is only about the moment, because altcoins will not increase in the long term if the market momentum is in bad conditions like last year.

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Quote from: CypherMonk on November 30, 2024, 07:21:05 AM

Recently, it's become a concern that crypto whales can manipulate the market. Does this apply to altcoins only, or can these crypto whales manipulate all coins, including those with a higher market cap?

brother EVERY market and chart can be manipulated by the big players... they just need enough cash

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I think we need to grow up and just move on. At least BTC is not as exposed as shitcoins.

Yep - BTC is the biggest one and the hardest one to crack with such gimmicks.
That's one of the reasons it's trusted by both ordinary people and institutions alike.
I agree with you.

In crypto, anyway

If people can still manipulate stocks (All US politicians do this) and if people can still ask banks to help manipulate our local currencies like happens here in my side of the planet all the time, then no surprise big BTC whales and exchanges can collaborate.

But the effect is less and less, and hardly lasts a while.

So people need to stop being so upset about it.

Truly - some who don't trust BTC should ask some questions regarding what you told yourself in your post.
As time goes on - BTC keeps aging like the finest of wines. And that is what matters.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on November 30, 2024, 07:44:12 AM

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It is better you study the coins. I prefer just bitcoin. But coins with huge marketcap can not easily be manipulated. Even if there would be manipulation, it will not be significant.

Agree with that, the smaller the capitalization of a coin means the greater the chance that it can be manipulated. For Bitcoin itself, if whales want to manipulate this market, then they need large resources to move the market since the capitalization is already large, and also it is not too significant since Bitcoin investors are quite a lot globally and we also need to take into account people who are waiting for Bitcoin at a low position, they could enter and make the market rise again.

BTC offers much smaller percents in terms of gains - but they are at least stable.
That's the difference between the king and his pawns - some of them lack the ambition and are not credible from the start.
But big alts are worthy going in, in my opinion, especially during this stage on the market.

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Quote from: michellee on December 04, 2024, 02:43:34 AM

Quote from: betswift on December 03, 2024, 03:39:15 AM

Memes can be manipulated in many ways - most likely just be rugged out of the noses of those who believed them to be the memes they imagined in the first place.
So it's always nice to know what lies ahead in the degen trenches for those willing to risk to profit from the memes.

But I think the crypto whale needs to be selective to manipulate the meme coin price. Not many meme coins can be used for pump and dump scheme. That is why we often see some coins can up and down in a short term and makes many people suffer because of their losses. People seems don't care about the big risk of playing with meme coins or tokens because they only focus on searching for the profit. We don't have to follow them because we need to analyze for the coin and not choose randomly in the market.

Yep, - that would bury them deep down when playing around with fire.
Memes burn bright, but they are extinguished as easily.
Nowadays, without analysis - you are a dead fish for the people on the market.
That's why it's better to not get involved with memes that much - it's always a risky game at stake.

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