Topic: Communism vs Free World= Kamala vs Trump. - page 2. (Read 1045 times)

Who are you, really, TwitchySeal.

Take the whole bunch of things that you can imagine that are wrong with Trump, and compare them with the Dem Deep State that is in power.

Dem Deep State:
- Millions of troops and other people around the world in various countries killed;
- Loads of American money shipped to other countries for this killing;
- The money shipped represents the property of the average American people who have been screwed;
- Plus all the lies of Cabala and the Dems.

When you look at this stuff, you almost can't see Trump badness. But that's without taking into account Trump goodness which is shown here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252.

So, what really are you TS? Looks like you are a harbinger of evil promotions.

Reasons Trump has called (or threatened) for people to be imprisoned:

- Criticizing him.
- Criticizing the supreme court.
- Investigating him.
- Prosecuting him.
- Certifying the 2020 election.

Let me know if any of this is news to you and you can't find evidence and I'll provide source.



Do you genuinely believe that there is a valid "both sides" argument here?

Remember the fine print. Remember that people don't always apply the legal definitions. What really si being done, and what really is Communism?

Then you must have linked to the wrong video. The video you linked to has Kamala talking about some people needing more help than others (which is literally how most forms of government welfare are designed - typically they don't hand out food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc to everyone but to those who meet certain "need" criteria). She mentions some $1400 payment for something, not sure what, and also $3000 child tax credit, hardly a communist policy. Talks about support for small businesses.


Since I don't have a "wish" either way here, I don't see how it's my wishful thinking. That's like saying it's my wishful thinking that bigfoot doesn't exist.


Deporting millions of people by invoking the 1798 alien act is not cool at all. Nor is jailing of opponents for the reasons Trump said he would do it.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/19/nx-s1-5156027/alien-enemies-act-1798-trump-immigration
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3196154/trump-affirms-that-schiff-and-pelosi-are-enemy-from-within/
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4906904-trump-endorses-police-rough-hour/
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/13/trump-military-election-day-00183565 (I'm surprised this one doesn't ring a bell since you posted in another thread about it)

And this is just the top of the proverbial iceberg.

If I recall correctly, since Joe Biden started his first term there was indeed a sentiment in immigrants  about having an easier path to cross the border illegal and apply for any benefit it was granted to them while waiting for asylum or permanent residency. I have myself seen documentary films on people seeking to cross to the USA and they wanted to do it as soon as Biden got into office. On the other hand, it would be a lie to say there were no illegal crossings during the First Trump administration, but they were probably lower but they were handled in a similar fashion, as immigration laws continue to be about the same, regardless of the color of the party in power.
Trump does not have a magical formula to deal with immigration, he never had it and the border wall he talked so much about in 2016 was rather a strategy to fuel and direct the frustration of an important percentage of the population of the country.
Even if he wants to make something dramatic to change things, like mass deportations the laws put in place and the fragmentation of power within Washington will prevent him from doing anything effective. It is similar to that occasion he wanted to ban people coming in planes from muslin majority countries. It was reversed by a judge.

Inconsistencies, you say?


Kamala does not say that. That's what I call inconsistency, changing every time the argument for what suits you and then refuting it, that's rather strawman inconsistency. I think I've experienced the welfare state in my flesh much more than you have and there's no way in hell it's about everyone having the same results. European social democracies functioned very well for many years with a respect for freedom of enterprise and a certain state redistribution, which has nothing to do with everyone having equal results.


and that has nothing to do with Kamala's communism whether you like it or not.


Yeah right, suchmoon now Kamala is going to come and openly say that she is a communist. Sounds like quite a bit of wishful thinking conjecture to me.


Deporting millions of people that Kamala has been quick to let in is fucking cool. The jailing opponents thing I understand is for committing crimes following legal procedures (many Democrats also want to put Trump in jail) and if you want me to answer what I bolded provide some links because it doesn't ring a bell and I imagine you are distorting something he said.

Yes, Trump speaks for the class that he has been a part of his whole life as well as all the other members of his class who support him in hopes that it will mean a better life for them.



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-and-musk-discussed-firing-striking-workers-the-uaw-is-now-seeking-an-nlrb-investigation

Kamala Harris is a pawn of some really big businesses who controls the national policy to benefit themselves. They are no way communist. Trump speaks for the general working class, he's more communist than Harris.

How is it a fallacy to point out severe inconsistencies in your argument?

As far as I can understand the quote you've based this thread on, she wants to make government welfare to go to those who need it most... which I think is how it's supposed to work anyway, whether you like it or not. I didn't hear her say that businesses need to be nationalized, opponents need to be banished to Alaska (which I already tried to allude to in my response to BADecker but he seems to like it actually LOL), or any other signs of "communism", including the stuff that you ascribed to communism. So it sounds like a lot of conjecture on one phrase.

Whereas the other candidate is point blank saying that he would deport millions of people, jail opponents, let police do whatever they want, use the military in illegal ways - I can't help but think that you call that "free world" and want to make up a scare about "communism" because of your own political bias.

No, pathetic is not recognizing your mistake. We all make mistakes, it would have been honorable if you had said long ago something like “you are right, one thing is the means of production and another private property but...” and then go on with your arguments.

What do you tell me about what Trump says? So if Trump says that the earth is round, according to you it is better to believe that it is flat or something?

Kamala is a communist because she says that with political measures everyone has to reach the same results, no matter how much you want to defend the opposite, which is like defending that the earth is flat.


I find it hard to find an argument among such fallacies.

How about focusing on the point that Kamala wants to achieve with her policy measures that everyone has the same results (which is what this thread is about and is very clear in the OP)? What do you call that?

If you want a fun (actually very dark) rabbit hole, look up the Malmedy Massacre during WW2.  Then all the right wing conspiracy theories that surrounded the post war trial that the Nazis who did the massacre were actually the victims (blamed the jews obv). Joseph McCarthy starts his political career defending the Nazis, blaming the jews, and calling anyone who questioned him a communist.  He likes being famous so he makes a carreer out of calling people communists.  His chief council and personal lawyer was Roy Cohen up until McCarthy drank himself to death in 1957 (more conspiracy theories followed).  15 years later Trump hires Roy Cohen....

Roy Cohn: From ‘Red Scare’ Prosecutor to Donald Trump’s Mentor

Communism has been here for a long time. Trump won't expand it, but he probably won't stop it much.

The form that Communism takes is Americans murdering Americans... abortion. 60 million Americans dead through the abortion Communism war... or more.... in America.

Cabala will expand this faster than ever... more Communism.

One thing nobody can do is reduce the number of dead in this communistic war of Americans against Americans. More will always be aborted. Nobody can reduce the 60 million number, only expand it.

This is the direct and simple explanation. Thank you for keeping it simple, it may even be useful for the Trump one-liners fish memory people out there.

The accusation of "Communism" has been used all over the political arena, usually followed by comparisons with Venezuela - the go to country to scare people into voting something they do not really believe is really good. Plenty of manipulation there. Anything that looks like social measures in US is immediately "communism" and as usual, if you want to know where it comes from just do the "who is to benefit" test (hint - it won't be the poor).

Ok, so no worries then, there can't possibly ever be any communism, lock the thread.

As for hunger, repression, mass deaths, etc, I've been told that presidents can't do illegal stuff so this is not an issue either.

Trump called Kamala a communist because he thought it sounded good.

Right wing media ran with it.

You fell for it and decided to create this thread with an out of context quote of Kamala saying "everyone should end up in the same place" as PROOF that Kamala = Communist and Trump = Free World.

I posted a direct quote from the guy who developed the core ideas of communism, the guy known as "The Father of Communism", the author of "The Communist Manifesto", that explicitly argued against the idea that you claimed to be communist.


You're not an idiot.  You knew when you read the quote that you had been effectively proven wrong.  But, as per MAGA bylaws, admitting you are wrong is not an option and discrediting the source is always encouraged.  So you decided to make some vague argument mixed with irrelevant attempts to 'pwn the libs' that what Karl Marx said doesn't matter, and that you have a better source: "From what happened in the real world, smarty pants"

Pathetic really.

Well, first of all let's see if anyone is able to explain to me why Kamala went to make a fool of herself on Fox yesterday. Then I have to hear some leftists to go on elitist, saying that those who vote right wing are dumb. She made an appalling fool of herself and seemed to be speaking to dumb potential voters. Hey paxmao, book an appointment with Kamala and show her your stats on immigration, who seems not to have heard.


Of course the goal has not been achieved because no matter how much you take the communist ideology as a Franciscan monk takes the bible, that shitty ideology has only led to hunger, repression and mass deaths in the real world.


Yes, I also see it quite pointless, that's why I haven't been in this section for a long time and I only came back for the bet. Because for paxmao to come and refute me with statistics that it seems Kamala hasn't heard about, and for TwitchySeal to insist on making a fool of himself with something that is Kindergarten communism, what we are doing here is making an effort to write for nothing.


Please stop making a fool of yourself, you look like Kamala on Fox.


You insist on making a fool of yourself, I told you before, I read as much or more communist theory as you did until I realized what garbage it was.
You are insisting on making a fool of yourself when what you put first “land, factories, shops” are means of production, let's see if you learn the difference between means of production and private property, maybe when you go to communism classes at Kindergarten level instead of giving lessons you will learn the difference.

Kamala Harris's Vice Presidential running mate Tim Walz is a drunk driver. He got arrested for it. Drunk drivers should not be vice presidents because when they become presidents, they are going to get fucking wasted, and they will order all nuclear weapons to be launched at Russia and China, and then we will all fucking die, and most of you bastards will go to Hell where you will be sexually abused by the demons for all eternity. So no, Kamala won't give us communism. Kamala and Walz will bring death and HELL.

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

AMERICANS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

No, he will not because he cannot realistically do so, the United States has laws and a system of check and balances which are supposed to be keep in place for preventing people like Trump appear and try to establish and autocratic rule and suppress political opponents.
Take as an example the occasion Trump wanted to ban people from coming to the USA by plane from Muslin majority countries. It did not last long as his executive order was cancelled by a judge who ruled it to be against the constitution of the country.
You can also see how Georgia Secretary of State stood firm in his position not to cheat for Trump and "find votes" for him.

In short, within the United States power is not concentrated inside a single entity as the president, there are other people who have their percentage of power and are in charge to prevent the president from becoming a tyrant, like Puting is.

So Trump will make the United States a second Russia

The CPI is 2.4%.  That means prices increased by 2.4% over the past year.  Although we don't know what it will be on Dec 31, 2.4% is lower than 2.5%.

Anyone with a 401k or Roth retirement funds that put it all in index funds saw almost 35% growth on their investment over the past year.

And for those still contributing, usually with employer match, the average wage over the past year has increased 6.3%.

The economy is booming.