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Why was Lionel Messi not included in the starting XI? He was called up only in the 53rd minute, as a substitute for Julián Álvarez. I believe that the message from Argentina management is quite clear. Messi is no longer an irreplaceable player, that he used to be. For them, the combination of Álvarez-Martínez-González is working pretty well. Still, I expected a bit more from Argentina during yesterday's match. They won with a margin of 1-0, and that too against one of the weakest teams form the CONMEBOL confederation.

I don't know the exact reason for Messi not starting the game, it could be that the coach wants to start finding options without Messi, since the game was supposed to be relatively easy
In more difficult games, the coach has to rely on Messi in the starting line-up

The team led by Lionel Scaloni who had a reason for not starting Lionel Messi. It's okay to give Messi limited playtime after his recent injury.

It's a good explanation, that could be the reason too

When I made my multibet bet and placed Brazil, even though I saw that the odds were 1.09, I thought it wouldn't affect anything, but then I remembered how Brazil has become a shitty team since the world cup, so I decided to cancel my bet and change my comment about them after their game ended, but it was already too late to cancel my bet, Brazil's time zone with my country is very complicated and the game ended at a time when I went to sleep, when I woke up to go cancel my bet, I saw that they had already played and unfortunately for me, they drew and with that I also lost my multibet bet. Looking at the game itself, it clearly showed the inefficiency of Brazil's attackers

It's funny that Brazil put pressure on Venezuela's defense many more times, but couldn't score a goal, it was as if Brazil were playing a friendly game, it didn't even seem like they were taking it seriously. while the few times Venezuela created danger, they managed to score a goal. In my opinion, this Brazilian team with this current coach, they won't win anything big, they will hardly be able to become world cup champions with a mediocre performance like that. Even though I bet on Brazil to win and lost my bet, I congratulate Venezuela on the draw, they deserved to win this game because they were playing seriously, unfortunately Venezuela has a shitty government, that's why they don't grow

I don't think anyone expected this result. For Venezuela it was historic. Brazil are not in a good phase, and recently the starting striker, Richarlison, has been in a very bad shape, and is already psychologically affected by not being able to score goals for the national team
Neymar was booed a lot yesterday, and rightly so

I even lost my bet on the Brazil game yesterday, I had bet on Brazil winning with goals under 3.5
I'm happy for Venezuela too, as the country is in a lot of trouble.
But a team with the players that Brazil has, it's very hard to see them playing so badly and not being able to score goals.
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In 3 days we will have games, I'm still thinking about which games I'm going to bet on, but so far I'm looking at these games for a possible multi bet:

Argentina - Paraguay

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Brazil - Venezuela

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If you place a multiple bet on the two victories, the odds are only 1.35 (although the chances of Argentina and Brazil winning are enormous).
It's not my style of betting, but it might be worth placing a goals bet

I've done a simulation here and a multiple bet with Argentina winning + Brazil over 2.5 goals, gives 1.82 odds, which is quite an improvement.



The Argentina match has a chance of not scoring many goals, as Paraguay defend well, but the Brazil match has a high chance of scoring more than 2.5 goals, especially as Brazil are playing at home, with a great attack and coach Fernando Diniz likes to play a lot in attack

When I made my multibet bet and placed Brazil, even though I saw that the odds were 1.09, I thought it wouldn't affect anything, but then I remembered how Brazil has become a shitty team since the world cup, so I decided to cancel my bet and change my comment about them after their game ended, but it was already too late to cancel my bet, Brazil's time zone with my country is very complicated and the game ended at a time when I went to sleep, when I woke up to go cancel my bet, I saw that they had already played and unfortunately for me, they drew and with that I also lost my multibet bet. Looking at the game itself, it clearly showed the inefficiency of Brazil's attackers

It's funny that Brazil put pressure on Venezuela's defense many more times, but couldn't score a goal, it was as if Brazil were playing a friendly game, it didn't even seem like they were taking it seriously. while the few times Venezuela created danger, they managed to score a goal. In my opinion, this Brazilian team with this current coach, they won't win anything big, they will hardly be able to become world cup champions with a mediocre performance like that. Even though I bet on Brazil to win and lost my bet, I congratulate Venezuela on the draw, they deserved to win this game because they were playing seriously, unfortunately Venezuela has a shitty government, that's why they don't grow
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Why was Lionel Messi not included in the starting XI? He was called up only in the 53rd minute, as a substitute for Julián Álvarez. I believe that the message from Argentina management is quite clear. Messi is no longer an irreplaceable player, that he used to be. For them, the combination of Álvarez-Martínez-González is working pretty well. Still, I expected a bit more from Argentina during yesterday's match. They won with a margin of 1-0, and that too against one of the weakest teams form the CONMEBOL confederation.

The team led by Lionel Scaloni who had a reason for not starting Lionel Messi. It's okay to give Messi limited playtime after his recent injury. The other combinations in the team are working well too. The most important thing is that Argentina won! Nicolas Otamendi scored the only goal, and the World champions have now won three out of three matches. It was a bit unfortunate that they only scored one goal. Leo Messi hit the post twice, and De Paul once. Overall, it was a very solid performance by everyone!
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Why was Lionel Messi not included in the starting XI? He was called up only in the 53rd minute, as a substitute for Julián Álvarez. I believe that the message from Argentina management is quite clear. Messi is no longer an irreplaceable player, that he used to be. For them, the combination of Álvarez-Martínez-González is working pretty well. Still, I expected a bit more from Argentina during yesterday's match. They won with a margin of 1-0, and that too against one of the weakest teams form the CONMEBOL confederation.
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In 3 days we will have games, I'm still thinking about which games I'm going to bet on, but so far I'm looking at these games for a possible multi bet:

Argentina - Paraguay

...

Brazil - Venezuela

...


If you place a multiple bet on the two victories, the odds are only 1.35 (although the chances of Argentina and Brazil winning are enormous).
It's not my style of betting, but it might be worth placing a goals bet

I've done a simulation here and a multiple bet with Argentina winning + Brazil over 2.5 goals, gives 1.82 odds, which is quite an improvement.



The Argentina match has a chance of not scoring many goals, as Paraguay defend well, but the Brazil match has a high chance of scoring more than 2.5 goals, especially as Brazil are playing at home, with a great attack and coach Fernando Diniz likes to play a lot in attack
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In 3 days we will have games, I'm still thinking about which games I'm going to bet on, but so far I'm looking at these games for a possible multi bet:

Argentina - Paraguay

For this game, Argentina arrives as the big favorite, and it makes perfect sense since they have a better squad compared to their opponent, they have two wins so far and have not had any defeats, they have scored 4 goals in two games and have not conceded any goal in the two games they have played so far, Messi is already cured of the injury, I saw him playing for his US team, the other good Argentine players such as Lautara are also doing well, so on the side of the Argentina squad Argentina is fine. I still don't know anything about Paraguay's squad, but looking at Paraguay's performance, which in 2 games, they had 1 defeat, 1 draw and didn't score a goal in the two games they played, then I see that their attacking power is non-existent , but they have only conceded 1 goal in the last 2 games

Still, it's not right for me to say that they have a good defense because they only played against weak teams like Peru and Venezuela, so I see that in this game Argentina have a better chance of winning the game. but strange that the bookmakers are giving odds of 1.27 if Argentina wins, I expected to see an odds lower than 1.27. That's why I want to take advantage of this chance and make a multibet bet with Argentina included

Brazil - Venezuela

For this game, Brazil also arrives as the favorite, and with the great quality of Brazil's squad, this favoritism makes perfect sense, in the 2 games that Brazil played they scored 6 goals and conceded only 1 goal, showing that they have good attack and good defense. but in the last game against peru, they didn't have viniciu junior, so the team's performance, despite being acceptable on the field, still had an offensive efficiency, and it was even a defender who scored a goal that gave Brazil victory, I believe that this scenario will be different this time with Vinicius Junior on the field. I see Brazil coming out victorious in this game
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This match will be quite difficult for Brazil. Brazil currently has quite a great striker but unfortunately the players currently called up lack a midfielder who can set the tempo of the game and build forward attacks. Casemiro can be relied on but I don't really know the other midfielders. Currently Brazil is in first place in the Qualifications. But instead of discussing the match against Uruguay, it's better if we watch their match against Venezuela first.

Even though Uruguay aren't in their best shape, historically they've always been a tough opponent for Brazil.
I don't know if you will watch the match, but pay attention to Andre from Fluminense, he's a good midfielder (Liverpool are very interested in the player)


Venezuela should be absolutely no match for Brazil and also Uruguay.I don't know that well Venezuela as I have not seen them playing in real competitions from a really loooooooooong time like the World Cup and I am basing my opinion on their results which point out to a very easy win for Brazil.

For Uruguay I know them quite a lot and I was not impressed at all in this last World Cup held in Qatar in November 2022,a team without burning passion or desire to do well,they could not even beat South Korea in the group stages and as far as I know they were eliminated early,that makes them an easy target for Brazil also.

As I said above, I think Brazil will beat Uruguay.
Venezuela unfortunately don't have a good team and shouldn't be able to resist Brazil
I also agree with you that there seems to be a lack of passion in Uruguayan soccer, since we've seen the team play many competitions at a high level, and in the most recent past, they had a great World Cup in 2018, finishing 5th
Unfortunately, the players who really stood out are almost retired (Suarez and Cavani)
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What do you think, is there any player who deserved to be on the list, but it's not?
The match against Uruguay could be a good chance to bet, as the odds may be more balanced due to the fact that Uruguay will play at home

This match will be quite difficult for Brazil. Brazil currently has quite a great striker but unfortunately the players currently called up lack a midfielder who can set the tempo of the game and build forward attacks. Casemiro can be relied on but I don't really know the other midfielders. Currently Brazil is in first place in the Qualifications. But instead of discussing the match against Uruguay, it's better if we watch their match against Venezuela first.

Venezuela should be absolutely no match for Brazil and also Uruguay.I don't know that well Venezuela as I have not seen them playing in real competitions from a really loooooooooong time like the World Cup and I am basing my opinion on their results which point out to a very easy win for Brazil.

For Uruguay I know them quite a lot and I was not impressed at all in this last World Cup held in Qatar in November 2022,a team without burning passion or desire to do well,they could not even beat South Korea in the group stages and as far as I know they were eliminated early,that makes them an easy target for Brazil also.
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What do you think, is there any player who deserved to be on the list, but it's not?
The match against Uruguay could be a good chance to bet, as the odds may be more balanced due to the fact that Uruguay will play at home

This match will be quite difficult for Brazil. Brazil currently has quite a great striker but unfortunately the players currently called up lack a midfielder who can set the tempo of the game and build forward attacks. Casemiro can be relied on but I don't really know the other midfielders. Currently Brazil is in first place in the Qualifications. But instead of discussing the match against Uruguay, it's better if we watch their match against Venezuela first.
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Brazil coach Fernando Diniz has named his squad for the third and fourth qualifying rounds
Brazil will play against Venezuela and Uruguay on October 12 and 17
The game against Uruguay will be very good to see the level of the Brazilian team, which has so far played against weaker opponents

Goalkeepers
Alisson (Liverpool)
Ederson (Manchester City)
Lucas (Botafogo)

Sides
Danilo (Juventus)
Vanderson (Monaco)
Caio Henrique (Monaco)Injured ---> Guilherme Arana (Atlético MG)
Renan Lodi (Marselha)

Defenders
Marquinhos (PSG)
Bremer (Juventus)
Gabriel Magalhães (Arsenal)
Nino (Fluminense)

Midfielders
André (Fluminense)
Casemiro (Manchester United)
Bruno Guimarães (Newcastle)
Gerson (Flamengo)
Raphael Veiga (Palmeiras)

Strikers
Neymar (Al-Hilal)
Rodrygo (Real Madrid)
Vinicius Junior (Real Madrid)
Gabriel Jesus (Arsenal)
Richarlison (Tottenham)
Raphinha (Barcelona)
Matheus Cunha (Wolverhampton)

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What do you think, is there any player who deserved to be on the list, but it's not?
The match against Uruguay could be a good chance to bet, as the odds may be more balanced due to the fact that Uruguay will play at home
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As you can see in the images above, those are Leicester City final result during the 2014/15 and 2015/16 seasons. it only took 1 season for them to become champions in the EPL and make history at the club. Back to Venezuela, Venezuela is now a different Venezuela and they can even get points from Paraguay. Have you gotten the point I mean here?

Hehe, a good example you posted, but I'm still going to keep my bet on Venezuela in last place.
But as I said, I hope that doesn't happen, I'd even love to see Venezuela take part in the World Cup, or at least play in the play-offs to try and get a place in the World Cup.
Venezuela is going through a very big crisis in the country and that reflects on the local league, which reflects on the national team.

There's no specific reason, after looking at the composition of players from Uruguay and Colombia, I concluded that Colombia was better from any side than Uruguay.

I'm also sticking with my bet on Uruguay ahead of Colombia. From what I've seen, the Uruguayan team is good, with younger players taking the place of Suarez, Cavani and Lugano.
Darwin Nuñez, Piquerez and Valverde are good examples of great players

OP, I think that the analysis expressed by the user is correct, what was said against Bolivia based on the altitude and how we had to face a bet.

I also agree that Bolivia will be able to win some games and some points due to the high altitude of La Paz. Maybe the team can focus on getting those points against the "weaker" teams and when they play away from home, try to hold out for a draw, playing defensively.
Given that 6 teams will qualify and 1 more will make the play-offs, it's a real chance for Bolivia
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Now there is Another date in October, and Brazil's next rival will be Venezuela, which by the way yesterday beat Paraguay, against all odds they did it, so with Brazil's game I do see it difficult for them to beat them, in fact if they beat them A Draw against Brazil is as if it were a real Victory.

Brazil and Venezuela have played 28 times
Brazil won 24 matches, 3 draws and only 1 victory for Venezuela in a friendly match in 2008.
The odds are all in Brazil's favor, especially playing in Brazil


Yes, basically it is like that, besides going to Brazil and beating them technically I don't see it as possible, also right now as Brazil has so much potential, they have Ney, they have all the most powerful players in the world there, what is the game with Brazil is something lost, I think that if a sketch is made I could say that a possible tie Venezuela should interpret it as a victory, however I think that when Brazil is away it has been difficult for them, in the match against Peru I saw the match very close for them, I did see that they tried by all means and almost failed, but of course Ney's genius came in his assist and a headed goal was what sealed the Peruvians.

In another order of ideas, as I had already said, it seemed incredible to me what the Argentines did in Bolivia, because it was something that I did not expect, for me things were too much because playing at the height of La Paz is not anything, so it What they did was play as if they were home.

For now, what I like most about this competition is that 5 sureties are going to enter, 7th place is for the playoffs, and normally I could say that the chance for many teams worldwide that enter is great, and that is great, For me, one of the best things that happens is that countries that have never been there, like Venezuela, can enter. For me, those that will permanently enter will be: Brazil, Argentina, Colombia. For me, they are the ones that can enter at once. , as far as I'm concerned he may be one of the main candidates to enter, so things can be seen that way, for me things with the teams can be very changeable, it may be that one of those does not qualify, the ones that do I am 100% sure that if they qualify it will be Brazil and Argentina, otherwise everything is fightable, and many things can happen, so right now Venezuela's most difficult commitment is Brazil, then Chile, because Chile is one of the strongest teams what's up.
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I'll quote here to make our "bet" officialy hehehe
Let's see at the end of the qualifiers who will have got the most positions right

LOL Cheesy

Regarding Venezuela, I put it last for a few reasons:
Venezuelan teams didn't do well at all in the South American games
Venezuela finished last in the last two qualifiers
From the two games I saw, against Colombia and Paraguay, I thought they weren't playing very well

All of their records that you said could indeed be a reference for your reasons for choosing Venezuela to occupy the last position in the CONMEBOL qualifiers this time, but will things continue to be like that?


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As you can see in the images above, those are Leicester City final result during the 2014/15 and 2015/16 seasons. it only took 1 season for them to become champions in the EPL and make history at the club. Back to Venezuela, Venezuela is now a different Venezuela and they can even get points from Paraguay. Have you gotten the point I mean here?

One question: why do you think Colombia will finish ahead of Uruguay?

There's no specific reason, after looking at the composition of players from Uruguay and Colombia, I concluded that Colombia was better from any side than Uruguay.
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Well done! for a thread well oriented to the topic under discussion and without gray, ty.
I was reciently commenting at thread that involves the topic of conmebol, it supposedly as the main "Topic" one but ended up becoming a classic spam hole.

 On-T:Bolivia #10.

 OP, I think that the analysis expressed by the user is correct, what was said against Bolivia based on the altitude and how we had to face a bet.

It is really essential to know how a team will behave playing at the altitude of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.

But his answer undoubtedly shows that he is involved in the issue, the teams have learned to play against Bolivia in LA PAZ, but he is still the 12th player for the Bolivian team, what happens is that Bolivia cannot put together a Team Work, they are very weak team technically, but if they achieve cohesion they will have problems beating them at home.

In summary: I am sure that Bolivia is going to the bottom of the table, However, they will win a couple of games playing in La Paz, and then they will get some draws, the other teams will not have it as easy as with these first two macht, Arg-Bra, perhaps those classified 1-2 in Conmebol in this long path of qualifications.

Finally, the non-favorite teams to qualify, which are the remaining 7 with the exception of Brazil and Argentina, know that in their points accounts there are at least 4 "safe" points that they must get against Bolivia to be in the fight to 2026 FIFA World Cup qualification.
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Now there is Another date in October, and Brazil's next rival will be Venezuela, which by the way yesterday beat Paraguay, against all odds they did it, so with Brazil's game I do see it difficult for them to beat them, in fact if they beat them A Draw against Brazil is as if it were a real Victory.

Brazil and Venezuela have played 28 times
Brazil won 24 matches, 3 draws and only 1 victory for Venezuela in a friendly match in 2008.
The odds are all in Brazil's favor, especially playing in Brazil

Venezuela in last place? it doesn't make sense to me, they won't be in the top 6, but not in last place. Bolivia is more likely to occupy that position because they really deserve to be there with their achievements so far. The following is a list of my predictions for the CONMEBOL qualifying standings for the 2026 WC:

  • 1 - Argentina
  • 2 - Brazil
  • 3 - Colombia
  • 4 - Uruguay
  • 5 - Chile
  • 6 - Paraguay
  • 7 - Peru
  • 8 - Ecuador
  • 9 - Venezuela
  • 10 - Bolivia

I'll quote here to make our "bet" officialy hehehe
Let's see at the end of the qualifiers who will have got the most positions right
The good thing is that you already think that Argentina will come out on top.
And to tell you the truth, I really like to see opinions contrary to my own in order to learn more.

Regarding Venezuela, I put it last for a few reasons:
Venezuelan teams didn't do well at all in the South American games
Venezuela finished last in the last two qualifiers
From the two games I saw, against Colombia and Paraguay, I thought they weren't playing very well

But I hope to be surprised, I hope the team can bring joy to the Venezuelan people and qualify for the World Cup
One question: why do you think Colombia will finish ahead of Uruguay?
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Sounds interesting, especially if there's a prize for whoever wins, should we make a side bet on this? Cheesy
Hehe, just for fun (at least for now)  Cheesy

I'll post my prediction here:

  • 1 - Brazil
  • 2 - Argentina
  • 3 - Uruguay
  • 4 - Ecuador
  • 5 - Colombia
  • 6 - Chile
  • 7 - Peru
  • 8 - Paraguay
  • 9 - Bolivia
  • 10 - Venezuela

Venezuela in last place? it doesn't make sense to me, they won't be in the top 6, but not in last place. Bolivia is more likely to occupy that position because they really deserve to be there with their achievements so far. The following is a list of my predictions for the CONMEBOL qualifying standings for the 2026 WC:

  • 1 - Argentina
  • 2 - Brazil
  • 3 - Colombia
  • 4 - Uruguay
  • 5 - Chile
  • 6 - Paraguay
  • 7 - Peru
  • 8 - Ecuador
  • 9 - Venezuela
  • 10 - Bolivia
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On a side note I don't know how many times Argentina has suffered in Bolivia because they play in a very high above sea level there so it has been difficult.Most likely tomorrow will be different as they are reigning World Champions but I would be cautious here for that above sea level.

This is a very controversial topic.

Bolivia has a number of good quality football stadiums in different parts of the country, but they insist on playing their qualifier matches at the Estadio Hernando Siles in La Paz, which is located at an elevation of 3,637 meters above sea level. Other teams are not happy about this, and several times they have complained against scheduling matches in this venue. In 2007, FIFA actually came up with a rule that no World Cup Qualifying matches can be hosted in venues that are 2,500 meters above the sea level. But then in 2008, Bolivia managed to get a special exemption for Estadio Hernando Siles.

Yes, there has Been much speculation about this, and it seems that the Bolivians have always had very good control over this, because things for them in that stadium have been very good, however I saw a very comfortable Argentina, they ran faster I Know that Bolivians scored three goals that put them second in the standings, it really is something that surprised many, because it is difficult for Bolivians themselves, and it is difficult to play in La Paz due to the lack of oxygen when you run, it's something that affects anyone, in everything the less oxygen there is in the body the less it Yields,  then in this order of ideas we can Think that Bolivia has a Slight Advantage over the Others , I don't really know how it would be Argentina's preparation to go for Peace but what they did was Something that left everyone there surprised, because no one expected them to win, in fact they expected to see the Argentinians standing still, waiting to make a good counterattack, and it was all On the contrary, I saw Bolivia in its total defense, it seemed like a match where the home team would have been Agenitna because it had arrincaondaso in the defense,  for me Argentina is at a very high level of Football to beat Argentina or Brazil, it means that It requires a lot of work, a lot of Effort and running a lot, resisting a lot, because these people run like horses and it seems like they never get tired, or like the Brazilians, they were playing in Peru and had not been able to do anything in the 90 minutes, in fact Peru They had Gotten into their Defense zone attacking and attacking, for one reason I thought they were going to win against the Brazilians,  in fact they were things that I saw Even a Neymar who did not know what to do, until his assistance Arrived and they were Able to do the Goal , But a Goal that is Worth Gold , so this type of aceotneiceimtnos are what Make a team Shine , in fact they are First in the table.

Now there is Another date in October, and Brazil's next rival will be Venezuela, which by the way yesterday beat Paraguay, against all odds they did it, so with Brazil's game I do see it difficult for them to beat them, in fact if they beat them A Draw against Brazil is as if it were a real Victory.
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Sounds interesting, especially if there's a prize for whoever wins, should we make a side bet on this? Cheesy

Hehe, just for fun (at least for now)  Cheesy

I'll post my prediction here:

  • 1 - Brazil
  • 2 - Argentina
  • 3 - Uruguay
  • 4 - Ecuador
  • 5 - Colombia
  • 6 - Chile
  • 7 - Peru
  • 8 - Paraguay
  • 9 - Bolivia
  • 10 - Venezuela

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I'd put Ecuador on that list of qualifiers for the 2026 World Cup
They qualified directly, in 4th place in the 2022 qualifiers and in the World Cup they did well, with 1 win, 1 draw and 1 loss

From what I've seen so far, with only 2 games of course, Paraguay, Chile and Bolivia are very weak

It's not that easy for Ecuador to get into the 2026 WC, as I said before that we still have 16 matches remaining, I agree if what you mean by weak is Bolivia, but not for Paraguay and Chile. You must agree that we can't draw conclusions directly when there's still a lot of progress ahead.

Shall we make a prediction?

Sounds interesting, especially if there's a prize for whoever wins, should we make a side bet on this? Cheesy
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Of course it's not difficult because we know which teams have dominance in CONMEBOL, in my opinion those who will enter the WC 2026 Brazil are: Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Uruguay, Chile and Peru/Paraguay.

I'd put Ecuador on that list of qualifiers for the 2026 World Cup
They qualified directly, in 4th place in the 2022 qualifiers and in the World Cup they did well, with 1 win, 1 draw and 1 loss

From what I've seen so far, with only 2 games of course, Paraguay, Chile and Bolivia are very weak



Shall we make a prediction?
Which teams do you think will qualify?
At the end of the qualifiers we can compare and see who got it right
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