Topic: ⚽ Conmebol Libertadores 2023 - Prediction and Discussion Thread - page 2. (Read 1183 times)

Palmeiras is another level, I don't see another team better prepared, I think that only a Palmeiras is capable of representing Brazil in a competition or capable of presenting itself as the Brazilian team against any country in the world, so it is a great representation . For me, Boca has a very high level, these things can be very controversial, for me the Boca kids have everything to do anything, even for the Brazilians, but the Brazilians do so well at soccer, it is so natural that They play like that, the Argentines also do it well, but I think they need a good leader, someone who always directs them, a Riquelme, a player of that level who makes the midfield respectable and who steps hard on the ball, so that It is comparable to the level of the braasleros, which is really very high.


Something very curious:

Palmeiras boss Pereira winscourt order to protect her from Mancha Alviverde




Source: https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2023/09/14/palmeiras-boss-pereira-winscourt-order-protect-mancha-alviverde/

Well, Palmeiras , Everywhere you look , is a team that can Put up a Fight with Any team, even the countries that win UEFA, I don't Understand how these Teams don't excel with Europos fútbol in the Intercontinental Cup, I don't Know what just What happens to the teams that become Copa Libertadores de América, it's as if they Came out with fear, I don't know what's Happening , because their level is very High, but it's like when someone hides, or I don't know , because They play Badly , the Passes are not Accurate, the Teams usually do not excel as they should, the truth is Strange , seeing these teams with the others should raise the level when it is their Turn in the Intercontinental Cup , for me it is one of the most favorites I have the Season where Arturo Vidal Was when he was with Madrid and he did Absolutely Nothing, it's one of the Things that can Basically have a really hard Impact.

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I'm not sure but I saw that Palmeiras passed and they beat Internacional in the other Key, I saw it on Instagram but I couldn't verify the source properly.

Boca managed to qualify for the semi-finals with a lot of effort, that much cannot be denied. In my opinion, it was much more effort and determination than anything else
In the round of 16 and quarter-finals, Boca managed to qualify on penalties after drawn matches, and of the 4 matches, they only scored 2 goals, which was in only one match
There's a lot of room for improvement, and as I said in the post above, Cavani could score a lifesaving goal at any moment, and Argentinian teams know how to hold on to a result, especially against Brazilians
But I still see that Palmeiras are at a different level of soccer, more prepared to play in more situations, with more resources and with players at their peak of performance, like Rony, Raphael Veiga, Gabriel Menino and Weverton the goalkeeper

Well, I would say that Bonmca is not bad, every team only goes through a bad streak, be it in the Bundesliga, La LIGA, PL, in everything, but it is normal, Cavanni is not only the Boca player, he is all the 10 players they have, plus Cavanni is very good, maybe in these moments he can activate himself as he is, it's a stadium, new people, it's a game that can give a lot, especially when it comes to the fans he does the least for them , but we must also understand something, every player is under the direction of a technical director, and we don't know how much he is being pressured to do things that he is not used to, South American soccer is not like that of Europe, here in South America sometimes things seem to be more difficult, otherwise you have to take a look at everything that is seen in the Conmebol qualifiers, because they are quite difficult, in part Uruguay, which is Cavanni's team, could not beat Ecuador, so this means that Here things are more difficult, then when it comes to local leagues they are difficult, this is what you have to realize, also as I said, leagues like Argentina where a lot is demanded, all that pressure, that stress is taken by the players and it may also affect them.

In addition, when we are in Libertadores we know very well what the performance of the Brazilian teams is like, in their local league they are very competitive and the teams that are in these times are very, very good, we must not overlook them, they always show great football and these things are what we must see, in particular we know that things can happen as it is, it may be that the dominance is of the Brazilian or Argentine teams, but we must understand the difficult level that this represents here, of course From a stand we see something, but it's just the tip of the iceberg, we don't know under what direction or strategy the players are or under what particular positions they must play to comply with the scheme, all that is just complicating all this.

And so far I don't think Cavani has managed to show the same form he did a few years ago (of course)
But he can still be that player who comes on in a difficult match and manages to score the only goal of the game
He's got the talent, it's just a question of whether his age will affect his performance against a Palmeiras team that's a lot younger at the moment. Boca needs to do a good match in La Bombonera


I haven't seen anything about this alegotardo
Do you have a link to the news you saw?

Did you hear about the return of the "plate" that Conmebol will deliver to the Libertadores champion?
Last Wednesday, the president of Conmebol made the announcement that they will return to handing out the champion's plate along with the trophy to this year's Copa Libertadores champion.

If I remember correctly, they had already given a spoiler about this last month, when the Conmebol president had asked his followers on social media about the possibility of returning with this award.

An additional "incentive" for the teams that are still in contention in this final stretch of the competition.

Yeah no doubt about that, but Boca its really bad, the only thing they have its that mistic of being a HUGE of America and always making good games in Libertadores, the card their have is Cavani, until now Cavani doesnt show anything, lets see if he start to show his magic in that game.

I think these odds are due to the fact that they're playing at home in La Bombonera. All the indications are that Palmeiras will win and qualify, but I don't underestimate Argentinian soccer in any way, one of the countries that has shown me the most resilience is Argentina
The Palmeiras team has to go into the game thinking that it's going to be a tough game, they can't underestimate Boca


Hehehe, tough decision alegotardo, it's hard to buy an expensive ticket without know if your team will pass or not, but you can always sell a ticket to another fan
Don't forget to take a picture and post here if you go to Maracanã to watch Inter 

If I had a lot of belief in my team, and a lot of desire to watch a final, I think I would buy in advance, because the tendency is for tickets to become harder and more expensive to get.
I thought it would be cheaper to get the tickets, about 1000 reais at most, not 2500 to 4000 hehehe

Are you really thinking of going to the final?

I'm dreaming of the final of this championship already....
Did you see that Conmebol is already selling tickets?

The final of the Copa Libertadores in Maracanã (Rio de Janeiro) is scheduled for November 4th.
Even though Conmebol should only release details on ticket sales at the beginning of October, anxious fans (I'm one of them) can already buy their tickets, hotel and even tickets to the stadium in advance for prices ranging from R$ 2,500 and R$4,000 (Amount in Reais, Brazilian local currency).

Obviously there will be cheaper tickets, but those are not yet available for sale.

Would you buy, at that moment, a very expensive ticket for the championship final without being sure if your team will play in it?

I dont know HOW and WHY they see Boca as favorite when Boca cant win in the home game against a much more weaker team like Nacional in the round of 16 and also cant win against Racing in quarterfinals, so now against a brazilian team who is one of the best teams in Libertadores from last year, its a non sense.

My best guess is a final with Palmeiras x Inter
I think Palmeiras is the favorite among the 4 remaining teams to be the champion

But the first match in Argentina is more favorable to Boca, look at the probabilities:



I bet in a draw in the first match and them a victory for Palmeiras in Brazil
Inter x Fluminense I think in a victory of Fluminense in Rio de Janeiro, them a victory for Inter playing at home and probably penalties to decide the spot in the final 

Do you agree with my guess guys?

seems like once more we have Palmeiras as our favorite for winning the championship
any guesses on who will be placed second or third?

do you think Boca Juniors has any chance at all?

curious to see how this will play out

It ended with 3 Brazilians and 1 Argentinian, again
I didn't like the level of Boca Juniors' soccer either, it doesn't even remotely resemble the Boca Juniors of a few years ago

From what Palmeiras have been playing, I think it's going to be very difficult for Boca Juniors to reach the final, but I can't underestimate them either and say that Palmeiras are already in the final, that's dangerous, and at least Boca Juniors have tradition
I've seen Argentinian teams score a goal and then play in such a way that it's impossible to score against them



Like a good friend, I'll be rooting for your team @alegotardo
My Corinthians have already been disqualified so I'm rooting for Inter.
I think they're fully capable of getting past Fluminense and then Boca or Palmeiras.
Inter have shown themselves to be a very good team in the Libertadores, they got first place in the group stage without defeat, in a difficult group, they got an incredible result against River Plate, who until then would have been the best Argentinian team, and then they still got a good result despite playing at altitude in Bolivia
Inter are in a good shape to play the semi-finals

Yeahhhh! We reached the semifinal clashes!!!

Fluminense will have the honor of starting the first game of this duel playing at home, in Maracanã... my guess is a draw and the big decision should take place in Beira-Rio, with the international qualified for the grand final

In the current campaign, Fluminense only managed to decide at home against Argentinos Juniors, for the round of 16. Internacional had the chance to win the classification at home on two occasions, one against River Plate and another against Bolívar playing in Beira-Rio.
Does it make a difference? I would say yes, because the second game is always more tense and playing with the support of the crowd helps a lot.

Looking at the other side, Palmeiras and Boca Juniors... The first leg will take place at Bombonera and the next game will take place at Allianz Parque.

Well finally we have the semifinals right here.

Full of Brazilians like the last years (sadly for me), plus Boca Juniors, a very bad Boca, the other day against Racing they play horrendous, they dont deserve so much, but also Racing dont make a lot to deserve the pass.

Lets see how much this Boca can resist agains Palmeiras. In the other leg, i dont follow so much the Brazilian football to know.

Inter have already qualified
And I agree, Fluminense should have an 80% chance of qualifying

Regarding Racing vs. Boca, 3 of us think that Boca Juniors will qualify, but with difficulty it seems.



And not just Boca, but several Brazilian teams are also doing badly in the domestic league and have focused their efforts on the Libertadores or Sudamericana.
I don't know if it's good to do that, but...
Cavani is going to play, so he might actually help, see the line-up below

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There will be two games today



This is the likely line-up for Racing vs. Boca

Racing: Arias; Pillud, Sigali, Piovi, Rojas; Gomez, Moreno, Oroz; Ojeda, Romero, Hauche
Boca Juniors: Romero; Figal, Rojo, Valentini; Advincula, Fernandez, Zeballos, Medina, Fabra; Merentiel, Cavani
Source

Boca has signed Cavani which in attack should give them some choice to score goals,if we see their games in Superliga in Argentine they have not been doing well at all.Only Romero is not enough to save them from disasters,they need to start scoring goals and which player better than Cavani can do this.The big star players usually make a difference in important games like these ones and I think Boca is fully focused here because in Superliga they have very little chances while River Plate during this year is completely dominating it.So yes most likely I think Boca will be doing better and qualifying,if they don't achieve it then I call this a failed season for them.

Well here we go, i support your thinking, Inter its in semefinals and Palmeiras also, Fluminense for me its 80% in semifinals, only a catastrophe in Paraguay can prevent that.

The most unpredictable amtch its Boca Racing, lets talk about, both teams are not in great shape, but Boca have better players, more important names like Cavani Romero etc, so i think Boca its gonna pass with a lot of sorrow.

Like the user darxiaomi posted, I also think that Bolivian teams end up betting too much on the altitude to win the matches, and that could even end up harming them
In the past it was much more difficult, nowadays, although it still is, club doctors and trainers have much more information and technology to combat the effects of altitude.
And talking about the home game, I think the Inter team knows they're better and will be able to play more on the attack, even though they're already 1x0 up, because they'll be playing at home and have no reason to be on the defensive. It's important to score a goal to ensure a smooth qualification


I also think that Boca Juniors will qualify, but I don't have enough conviction to make me bet on this game hehe
There are safer bets for me to make in this round
Maybe less than 2.5 goals in the match is a good bet, as the game could be low scoring

As per my last post here, I was pretty worried that the altitude would indeed become a problem for Internacional, but even that wasn't able to stop the Colorado team.
Unlike River Plate, Internacional now has the advantage of victory and I believe they really have an excellent chance of qualifying for the quarterfinals of Conmebol Libertadores.
The interesting thing about Internacional is that they played with a defensive strategy, I believed they would be more aggressive in this game. Anyway... they won and this was Internacional's first victory in La Paz in the four matches they've played there.


If I were to bet today, it would be in favor of Boca Juniors.

And yesterday was the last match of the first round of the quarter-finals

Bolívar 0 x 1 Inter
Deportivo Pereixa 0 x 4 Palmeiras
Boca Juniors 0 x 0 Racing
Fluminense 2 x 0 Olimpia

--> Inter got a great result playing at altitude, it's very difficult to come away with a win, it's nice to see you commenting on games at altitude in Bolivia

--> In my opinion, Inter and Palmeiras are almost through, they got good results away from home and now they'll decide at home, with packed stadiums and fans helping out

--> Boca vs Racing for me is an unknown, our friend darxiaomi can comment better than me, but I think there's a 50% chance of each one qualifying

--> Fluminese also got a good result playing at home, but they still have to be careful because they'll be playing away from home, and 2-0 is still no guarantee of qualification

Do you agree? Do you have a different opinion?
Who do you think will qualify, Boca or Racing?