Topic: Contribute To Bitcoin Economy... - page 3. (Read 4563 times)

No. I'd rather get rid of the profiteering sleazebags who overran & are continuing to fuck this one.
That's why I started this thread

Edit: hilariousandco, registered November 20, 2013
Hang back and watch, n00b.

We haven't made it anything. You're still not getting the point whilst yet proving mine. Just because ebay accounts aren't openly allowed to be sold on their site doesn't mean they're not sold. Go to any type of hack or carders forum or deepmarket and you'll see the same. Whether we or ebay allow or disallow their sale does not stop it. It happens. Whether in view or out of view.


Nah, we actually do a pretty good job of running things and I'm glad people like you and everybody else who thinks they know better aren't making the rules here. Ban this, remove that, protect me from the badguys blah blah. Go ahead and create your own bitcoin forum if you think you can improve on this one or know what's best for everyone. If it's obviously better then everyone will flock there and you'll make a shitload from adverts or keep it free of ads are run it altruistically. What are you waiting for?


Umm, are you actually processing anything I'm saying? Feedback system on this site or any other is a guide, up to you whether you want to take it into consideration or not. I don't get why you're still banging your head on a wall. Are you saying that if we ban account sales or had always banned accounts sales that the trust system would be perfect or free from people abusing it? Of course it wouldn't. The exact same thing would be happening as it is now only you wouldn't see it. I could easily buy or create an account on here or ebay, buy or earn a few feedbacks from either legitimate or illegitimate sales and nothing's different, though maybe the person I'm selling something to on ebay doesn't think he's going to get scammed because the systems there are obviously perfect and I couldn't possibly have bought the account or faked the feedback because that definitely doesn't go on, right? Change the channel or actually think about what you're saying.

You should probably not do this from your main account, unless you want this:
http://s29.postimg.org/4192qia5z/Capture.png

It can be enforced. Anytime someone proves that the account belonged to him earlier restore it. There will be those sellers who will try this, and after a few cases all the buyers will be wary. Don't give any protection to buyers, if you find an escrow doing this ban him too.

Not only are you helping hidden selling of accounts, you're actively helping it by making it open and allowing escrow for it.


In that case they can do so openly. There is no need to make it hidden.

Don't forget the thriving micro-loans section. Loans for accounts, accounts as collateral. Quickseller is a natural.

If eBay allowed the sale of eBay accounts,
If eBay staff sold accounts on eBay
If most of the items sold on eBay were eBay accounts, like so:
http://s10.postimg.org/relg2xyhl/Capture.png

...well, then I'd agree with you, eBay trust system would be absolutely pointless.
Almost as pointless as you've made the one on bitcointalk.


I admit, you guys have managed to screw the pooch pretty royally when it comes to this forum. The damage you caused is pretty grave, nearly irreversible. Nearly.
This in no way implies that you should continue fucking things up.

STOP, so that we could rebuild.

Yes, the trust system is now completely meaningless, a standing joke that belongs in the trash heap.  Trash it.
You've fucked it beyond redemption in every way, not least by condoning and encouraging buying & selling of accounts, which is, you guessed it, buying and selling trust.

Buying and selling trust is not simply unethical, it's unworkable. Trust can not be bought and sold & remain meaningful.
You can't sell trust for the same reason you can't sell truth.
This is obvious to a child, yet you refuse to see it. Because you can't do without that trickle of pocket change you earn by ignoring it.

I know this user krishatnet is from India and I checked the date of the thread when he sold his account and after that this scamming thread was created and it was about a Vanilla card. It isn't possible for a user to suddenly start scamming after he listed an account sales thread.


He did a mistake of selling a trusted account and hence I find it weird that other members too sell their green trust accounts for money as it gets a higher value. For BTC, they don't mind selling their trust. The buyer doesn't deserve the positive nor the negative trust and when buying/selling trust isn't allowed in the forum, I don't know why selling trusted accounts is allowed.


As theymos said, account selling is like selling your identity. The Government as well doesn't allow a citizen to own more than one national ID proof (eg: Pan card) else people would have started selling that ID proof as well for money. It would be one user with many ID proofs and many citizens trading and working with that same person's ID proof. Similar case is with selling an account where the trust as well is being sold.



I just checked the above posts and am shocked to see pictures and boyfriends being discussed. A serious matter has become a joke. 

Honestly, a trustworthy member won't sell the account he make. I don't think he is trustworthy.


He derails thread and tell others did it.


1 & 2: Buyer should take care of this. It is known fact. This the risk buyer should be willing to take.
3: If the account is used as collateral and if the lender is going to sell it, negative trust feedback will be removed if there is enough proof.
4: Careless mistake of buyer.
5: Can be.
6: Can be resolved if buyer asks signed message.

These are the risks buyer take except 5. Sorry but only 5 can be taken as negative.

I know the user from another forum and I spoke to him a week after posting on that thread. He then told me he sold the account and told me about his new account as well and on checking his new account, he had an account sales account.


That user is quite reputed and hence I know that the account who bought his account was a scammer. He does not care about the reputation of the sold account as he already sold it.

If account sales is banned, it shouldn't affect those accounts which are already sold/bought but only the future sales would stop. Account prices wouldn't matter.

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@OP: This isn't about trust and it's about account sales. I thought that this thread is about account sales 

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I am listing my points which can be the negatives of selling/buying accounts:

1. The original owner has been spamming earlier to increase his activity and has not been a part of the signature campaign.

The account is sold and now the account (most probably) gets banned as the new owner made few short posts (not really insubstantial) but his post history is full of spam. Account is useless now.

2. The account was banned earlier (once or twice) and the original owner doesn't mention the same. Then the account probably gets banned again. EG: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994097.0;topicseen

3. The account was earlier loan defaulted and used as a collateral. High chances of it getting a negative trust and hence it cannot be used for earning via a signature campaign.

4. Accounts get hacked and sold and signed messages aren't provided.

5. Accounts with green trust are sold and they can be easily used for scamming newbies.

6. Account sold and the original owner provides fake evidence of his sold account to be charged for scamming and hence makes it get negative trust.


There can be many possibilities and negatives associated with buying and selling accounts and the above cases have been proved true as well. Sixth one may sound illogical but it's definitely a possibility.

It's the bolded one, but well done, you're starting to get it now. Only took 4 pages.


You get what you give.


I'm not angry, but as a troll this is what you desire the most for the people you attempt to troll so you need to keep reiterating it to feel as if you've completed your objective or are winning points but it doesn't work with me. The current 'market' or value of bitcoin today is irrelevant to me and irrelevant to this discussion so please stop pulling things out of your arse and maybe actually offer something of actual worth to this discussion except repeating 'u angry lololol i troll u' over and over like it means anything.


What's the point in any trust system on any site? They're a guide not a definitive you can trust this account badge and every single one on any site can be gamed or abused. eBay or Paypal don't allow accounts to be sold, but guess what you can buy them as easily as bitcointalk accounts. And let's suppose theymos announces right this second that account sales are now prohibited... Changes absolutely nothing regarding 'hurting' trust. Possibly does more damage because people, especially newbs, assume an account could never have possibly been sold or stolen but you seem to not be willing to accept this.

@Quickseller:
I long to believe in a wise, benevolent God.
That's why I'm going to assume that you & Mr. Spittoon are one and the same boil on the perfect, peach-like butt of Creation.
Just one like you is enough to test my faith in Him, but two?
Clear, purposeful maleficence.

@BlindMayorBitcorn: How could a line starting with "lol, is that what you think?" be misconstrued as a confirmation?
Now imagine a whole belfry full of his kind. Unsupervised, sharp implements in spastically twitching hands, and... running a forum!

Sorry to butt in here, but: you left him negative trust based on someone else's hunch? Based on that??

See Salty's last post on this thread.
He essentially admitted to being supa

Received confirmation of such? What does that mean exactly?

The thread was long derailed by the time he made that statement (and received confirmation of such). The conversation was literally derailed threads ago lol.

Sounds like a good way to further derail the conversation. I know of a few that were in the past, however I somewhat doubt they still are based on their activity. There are none that I am aware of in the marketplace as of now.

You... took that as a confirmation?!
You're just batshit crazy, my friend

http://makeameme.org/media/created/actually-im-not-f0x8kl.jpg

Eh, ok this will be my last reply as you are entitled to some explanation. If I told someone that I think Bitcoins are going to increase in value and they lose money because they bought Bitcoins on my opinion and it goes down, is it my fault? I didn't tell Quickseller to negative rep you, I would have done it myself if I was certain. I still think you are Supa, and if you are, I dont want to tell you how to fix your mistakes next alt you make. I also said that I dont have any better verification methods than you have, so I no way made a statement that could be taken as fact.

I just said that you said something that caught my attention that made me think that you were Supa, nothing more.



I took your next reply as confirmation to what I had said



Full context: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11197886

No, fuck YOU.
You said that you require rigorous proof to take punitive actions.
Now, thanks to you, I'm labeled as a scammer - pretty fucking punitive.
I asked to see the evidence against me, you retort with "it was something you said."
Tell me that's not how totalitarian states operate, and I'll call you a lying piece of shit. Again

Enjoy stewing in your own fail.

Right, so once again you have proved you don't care about the topic. So this will be my last post. I explained it pretty clearly in the last thread, it was something you had said. Quickseller's actions are their own.

How about fuck yourself.
This: http://s29.postimg.org/4192qia5z/Capture.png is case in point proof of how this shitty forum works.
You claimed I'm Supa's alt, your skeezoid boyfriend tripped over himself and neg repped me. On your word.
Let's see some proof, fucker.
Post it.
ty.


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